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• 00:00 David Hart: Shalom.
• 00:02 On today's program, we find Peter and the disciples
• 00:04 exhausted and worn out, but their Master was
• 00:07 about to come revive them in a very unexpected way,
• 00:11 coming up next on "Our Jewish Roots,"
• 00:13 with Bible teaching by Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
• 00:15 ♪♪♪
• 00:20 male announcer: Sunrise on the Galilee.
• 00:22 Simon Peter prepares his nets for a day at sea.
• 00:26 Much like the sea, Peter is unpredictable--
• 00:30 calm, and steady; and in an instant, tempestuous.
• 00:36 As we reflect upon the Lord's most intriguing disciple,
• 00:39 we can see ourselves, because we, too,
• 00:42 have been broken and then restored.
• 00:46 We, too, in so many ways, are much like Peter.
• 00:51 ♪♪♪
• 00:56 David: Thank you so much for joining us today.
• 00:58 I am David Hart.
• 00:59 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
• 01:01 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Jeffrey Seif.
• 01:02 David: So, we're a little halfway through our program,
• 01:03 our series on Peter, and we've seen the ups and the downs,
• 01:07 the good and the bad that's happened to him already.
• 01:10 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, you know,
• 01:11 if you look at historians, typically,
• 01:13 they write for powerful people and give all the good.
• 01:15 They don't give the bad.
• 01:17 But the biblical narrative is so honest.
• 01:19 We see all warts and all when we look at its characters.
• 01:22 Kirsten: Can I just say this is one of my favorite Bible
• 01:25 stories--I hate to say it's a story--occurrences ever,
• 01:31 because here the resurrection happened.
• 01:33 They saw him alive, and then it's kind of like,
• 01:36 okay, let's go back home and go fishing.
• 01:39 It was like have you ever had a mountaintop experience,
• 01:41 then you have to go back home?
• 01:43 And it's kind of like how did things change?
• 01:45 And it's back to work, and we're out fishing again.
• 01:48 It's just interesting.
• 01:49 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: And it's great to see a miracle
• 01:51 in the work, not just in the church house.
• 01:52 You know, these guys are fishermen
• 01:53 and experiencing God, giving a breakthrough
• 01:55 in the workaday world.
• 01:57 It's not in the sanctuary with a 200-member choir singing.
• 02:01 It's out there doing what they do.
• 02:02 David: With their hour of the week.
• 02:04 Sorry to interrupt you there.
• 02:05 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: No, no, no, no, no, it's all good.
• 02:07 It's just a conversation.
• 02:08 David: Just an hour of the week, yeah.
• 02:09 Kirsten: Yeah, and then they were back to work.
• 02:11 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yeah.
• 02:12 Kirsten: But my favorite thing is--and I don't want
• 02:13 to jump ahead--but my favorite thing is when this guy
• 02:15 calls from the shore, "You guys catch anything?"
• 02:20 I mean, this is like the glorified Christ, right?
• 02:22 He's risen.
• 02:23 He is King of kings and Lord of lords,
• 02:25 and then like making some bread and fish,
• 02:28 just brought it back down to them,
• 02:29 like just a little--I love that.
• 02:31 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: And it's interesting, too,
• 02:32 that he doesn't push himself.
• 02:34 He beckons individuals to respond to him.
• 02:38 But like Peter, you've gotta get up and jump in the water
• 02:41 and go after him, and there's a meal on the other end of that.
• 02:43 I mean, that's a good message. I feel like preaching.
• 02:45 I've gotta get out of this segment.
• 02:47 We'll look at the teaching moment and see what's in it.
• 02:49 Kirsten: Good, looking forward to it.
• 02:50 I can't wait.
• 02:51 David: Right now, we take you to where it all happened.
• 02:53 We go to Israel right now.
• 02:58 announcer: In biblical times, the Sea of Galilee could be
• 03:00 a capricious friend.
• 03:03 One day the waters will provide a great catch;
• 03:05 the next day, nothing.
• 03:08 Such was the case for the disciples when,
• 03:10 after fishing all night, the sea had once again been unfriendly.
• 03:16 Their nets were empty, and then unexpectedly the miraculous.
• 03:22 ♪♪♪
• 03:28 [conversation in Hebrew]
• 04:43 ♪♪♪
• 04:56 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: It's really amazing when you think about it.
• 05:00 Two thousand years ago, off of these very shores,
• 05:06 this very sea, referred to as the Sea of Galilee,
• 05:11 Sea of Tiberias, call it what you will,
• 05:15 2,000 years ago there was a boat with Yeshua's talmidim,
• 05:20 with his disciples in it, and one of them,
• 05:23 Yohanan--we know him as John--looked at another.
• 05:28 Kepha was his Aramaic name.
• 05:31 We know him from Petra or Peter.
• 05:33 John looked at Peter, and he said these two words in Hebrew.
• 05:38 He said [speaking Hebrew]
• 05:42 This is the Lord.
• 05:45 What precipitated the moment was a miracle.
• 05:50 These individuals spent three years of shock and awe with
• 05:55 Jesus, but there was a miracle now with the post-resurrected
• 05:59 Jesus that had them all ablaze with enthusiasm.
• 06:04 Let's take a look at the book and see what
• 06:06 this fascinating story is all about.
• 06:09 ♪♪♪
• 06:13 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Well, started off like just
• 06:16 another day in the office.
• 06:18 But when Jesus is around, it's not just another day.
• 06:22 I mention that.
• 06:23 You'll see if you open up your Bibles to John chapter 21,
• 06:26 we're told that--well, we start off with Peter,
• 06:31 who makes a statement to the others.
• 06:33 He says in verse 3, "I'm going fishing."
• 06:36 He was an initiator, subsequent to which others said,
• 06:39 "Well, we're going to go with you."
• 06:42 And you can kind of get the sense about Peter,
• 06:45 whatever his weaknesses are-- and he has them--
• 06:47 he's an initiator.
• 06:49 He's a mover and a shaker, and others follow along.
• 06:53 So, they're out there in the boat fishing,
• 06:54 but it's not going so well.
• 06:57 In fact, they're coming up empty.
• 06:59 We're told then there's this person from the shore speaking.
• 07:03 He says, "Listen, throw the net--"
• 07:05 You see these nets behind me?
• 07:06 Throw the net on the other side of the boat.
• 07:09 Now listen, how wide is the boat.
• 07:11 This wide?
• 07:12 You know, it's not that much.
• 07:14 But he says, "Throw the net over there."
• 07:16 Now, I would've just said, "Look, bud, I don't know
• 07:19 who you are, but mind your own business."
• 07:21 But I don't write the story.
• 07:23 They worked all night.
• 07:24 They came up empty.
• 07:25 They had the nets in.
• 07:27 I would've just said, "Forget it."
• 07:28 But, again, it's not me.
• 07:30 They throw the net on the other side of the boat,
• 07:33 and then whoosh, all of a sudden,
• 07:35 they feel the weight of the motherlode.
• 07:40 These guys are fishermen, and they could feel it,
• 07:43 and the cash register was going ka-ching.
• 07:47 That's when John looked at Peter, and he says,
• 07:53 "Listen, that's the Lord."
• 07:56 He saw a miracle in the making with the money.
• 08:00 God worked a miracle in the marketplace.
• 08:04 We're so used to seeing and hearing miracles
• 08:07 in the church house.
• 08:09 Well, here's miracles in business of a magnitude
• 08:14 such that he realized this is God business here.
• 08:18 It's not just my own efforts.
• 08:21 Something else here, Simon Peter realizes it,
• 08:24 and I'm sure they all did because they could feel the bump
• 08:27 of enormous fish throwing themselves against the net,
• 08:32 and they haul it in.
• 08:34 They're struggling.
• 08:35 Peter takes leave of the moment.
• 08:37 He dresses up, and he dives in the water to go to the Lord.
• 08:41 It's a fascinating story.
• 08:43 I can feel the energy, the impulse here.
• 08:46 He throws himself into the sea.
• 08:48 And by the way, the boat was about 200 cubits out,
• 08:53 according to verse 8.
• 08:55 A cubit is 18 inches.
• 08:56 If you do the math, that's a football field.
• 08:59 He's swimming a football field.
• 09:01 I wouldn't want to run one, never mind swim one,
• 09:03 never mind having been up all night,
• 09:06 but this guy is awash with enthusiasm.
• 09:08 Why?
• 09:09 Because he experiences Jesus in the moment.
• 09:12 It's a fascinating story.
• 09:14 They count up the fish.
• 09:16 And see, these weren't just big fish,
• 09:18 but there were 153 big fish.
• 09:20 Begs the question, why the number?
• 09:22 We're told it explicitly in verse 11, why that number.
• 09:27 Well, there are 153 nations in the world.
• 09:31 Is this symbolic of bringing the nations into the boat,
• 09:34 into the harvest?
• 09:35 Could very well be.
• 09:37 This is the gospel of John's equivalent
• 09:39 of the Great Commission.
• 09:41 You look at the synoptic gospels,
• 09:43 they're sent out to go into all the world.
• 09:46 Here there's some kind of symbolism
• 09:48 where the world is coming into the nets.
• 09:51 There's an old figure with the number 153.
• 09:55 If you add up 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,
• 09:58 going out to 17, it comes into 153.
• 10:01 It's a way of saying ad infinitum,
• 10:04 that the harvest is bountiful.
• 10:06 If you throw the net, the fish are going to come into it.
• 10:09 Well, indeed, they did.
• 10:11 So, there's another story here beyond the Great Commission
• 10:13 story, and that is that God does miracles to help people
• 10:17 with their finances, to help them in their business world.
• 10:23 We see it at play here in the literature,
• 10:25 and that's what astounded them.
• 10:27 They saw the miracle in the marketplace.
• 10:30 If you're looking for one in the marketplace,
• 10:32 I want to let you know it's the same God yesterday,
• 10:35 today, and forever.
• 10:37 What he did back then, he can do for you.
• 10:40 He does it for me.
• 10:41 He's in the business of doing miracles,
• 10:43 that more women and men might come to him.
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• 12:14 Kirsten: Throughout this whole series,
• 12:15 we've been bringing you film worthy dramatic reenactments
• 12:22 with Peter and all the other actors.
• 12:24 These are Israeli Hebrew-speaking actors.
• 12:27 I mean, it's amazing, it's incredible.
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• 13:10 David: We return now to our story of Peter,
• 13:12 soon after the big catch at sea.
• 13:14 He's just had a personal encounter with Yeshua, Jesus,
• 13:17 where he was asked whether his devotion
• 13:20 and commitment to the Lord was for real,
• 13:22 and Andrew wants to know more.
• 13:25 Let's go there now.
• 13:27 ♪♪♪
• 13:43 [conversation in Hebrew]
• 14:31 ♪♪♪
• 14:39 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Pinch me, I can't believe I'm here,
• 14:42 the Sea of Galilee.
• 14:44 Well, that's where they are here in the book right now,
• 14:46 and the task at hand is to look and see how Jesus finished up
• 14:50 with his disciples at the end of the gospel of John.
• 14:54 There's a really interesting story here.
• 14:56 We're told in verse 15-- well, just before that,
• 15:00 Jesus had made breakfast, and they had eaten.
• 15:04 Subsequent to which Yeshua says to Peter--and I'm looking
• 15:07 at verse 15--he says, "Simon, son of John,
• 15:11 do you love Me more than these?"
• 15:14 When I first came across that, I wondered, you know,
• 15:17 why is he asking him a question?
• 15:20 Now, I get the impression of God asking a question--
• 15:22 it's not like he doesn't know the answer--
• 15:24 something is being said for rhetorical effect.
• 15:26 There's a statement in the question.
• 15:28 He's pressing something.
• 15:30 And then I wondered, what does he mean by,
• 15:32 "Do you love me more than these?"
• 15:34 What, more than the fish?
• 15:36 More than the bread?
• 15:37 No, really, it's, "Do you love me more than these disciples?"
• 15:41 Now, what he's doing is he's harking back
• 15:44 to a moment that's noted elsewhere in the gospels.
• 15:47 You might recall in Matthew chapter 26, verses 33 and 5,
• 15:52 Peter is insistent that Jesus had said,
• 15:57 "You're going to fall away," and Peter says, "No, never.
• 16:01 I never will. I'll never deny you."
• 16:04 He's emphatic. He's throwing his fist down.
• 16:07 "Maybe those guys will, but not me."
• 16:10 Wow.
• 16:12 Peter had denied the Lord three times.
• 16:19 Remember cock-a-doodle-doo?
• 16:20 You know, the cock crowed.
• 16:22 He did deny the Lord.
• 16:25 Well, now here is where Jesus is having an personal encounter
• 16:31 with the guy that denied him.
• 16:34 So, it's like, "Hey, big guy, do you want to say that again?
• 16:38 Do you want to tell me that you love me more than them?
• 16:41 Do you want to tell me you're better than them?"
• 16:43 Really, he wasn't.
• 16:45 He was different.
• 16:47 You've gotta appreciate his enthusiasm.
• 16:49 I do.
• 16:51 But he's shackled with humanity, like the rest of humanity,
• 16:55 and he vacillated.
• 16:57 So, you want to say you're better, huh?
• 16:59 It's interesting.
• 17:01 In recounting the moment noted in the Matthean gospel,
• 17:05 where Jesus says, "You're all going to fall away,"
• 17:07 and Peter says, "No, no, no, not me," in conjunction with that,
• 17:11 in Luke chapter 22, verse 32, I believe it is,
• 17:16 just before that, Jesus looks at Peter,
• 17:19 and he prophesies, and he says,
• 17:20 "Peter, Satan demanded to have you to sift you like wheat.
• 17:26 He said, "I've prayed for you, that your strength
• 17:29 will not fail.
• 17:30 And when you've turned again, strengthen your brethren."
• 17:36 I mentioned that, because that's what's at play here
• 17:40 in the Yohanan gospel.
• 17:42 "Hey, Pete, you love me more than them?
• 17:44 You think you're better?
• 17:45 Well, you're not really."
• 17:47 He says, "Now listen."
• 17:49 He goes on to say, "Feed my lambs."
• 17:53 After which he'll say-- he'll ask the question again,
• 17:56 "Do you love me more than these?"
• 17:57 And make Peter say the second time,
• 17:59 "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you."
• 18:02 "Okay, feed my sheep."
• 18:05 And he'll ask him again, "Do you love me more than these?"
• 18:09 "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you."
• 18:11 "Tend my sheep."
• 18:13 "Why are you asking me to reaffirm this three times?"
• 18:16 Because you just denied him three times.
• 18:19 You're afforded the opportunity to rededicate your life,
• 18:22 in the same way that you threw it away earlier.
• 18:26 There's a beautiful story here of the grace of God;
• 18:29 that is that the Lord doesn't charge it against
• 18:32 his account that he's shackled with humanity.
• 18:36 He was fearful.
• 18:38 He acted in a way that was rather lackluster,
• 18:40 to put it mildly.
• 18:42 Would have hoped for better from him,
• 18:44 but it is what it is.
• 18:47 There's a figure of speech, "making peace with the devil."
• 18:50 I don't want to say that I made peace with the devil or that
• 18:53 Jesus made peace with the devil, but God long ago made peace with
• 18:57 the fact that people are people, whether it's people like Peter,
• 19:02 whether it's people like me, or whether it's people like you.
• 19:05 We all have some of that, "Lord, I will never deny you."
• 19:08 Guess what I did.
• 19:10 We all have a little stupid at play.
• 19:14 We can make a decision, for those of us that have been
• 19:17 disappointed by people, whether we want
• 19:19 to hold their stupid against them in perpetuity.
• 19:22 Jesus didn't do that here.
• 19:25 We can decide whether we're going to charge it
• 19:27 against their account, extend it all the way into the future,
• 19:31 or whether we're going to give people an opportunity
• 19:34 to be people, realize that people are people,
• 19:37 we're all made of feet of clay from the neck down--
• 19:40 no one's perfect--and afford people the opportunity to make
• 19:44 their way back into our good graces.
• 19:47 That's what's happening here, and coming from this place,
• 19:50 Israel.
• 19:53 And by the way, thank you so much for sending me.
• 19:55 If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be here,
• 19:57 coming from this place and coming from this book
• 20:01 that tells the story of this place.
• 20:05 Oh, friends, I think of the grace of God that is so very
• 20:08 big, and it extends to sinners like me and you and like
• 20:12 those people that perform poorly in our webs of relationships.
• 20:18 Oh, in so many ways, we're all much like Peter;
• 20:22 inasmuch as God gave Peter a break,
• 20:25 we would do the same for the Peters in our own world.
• 20:30 ♪♪♪
• 20:40 ♪♪♪
• 20:47 Kirsten: I'm a wife, I'm a mom, I'm a grandma.
• 20:51 I enjoy baking.
• 20:52 I enjoy cooking for my family.
• 20:55 I enjoy a good, hearty breakfast.
• 20:57 And in this program today, we're talking about probably
• 21:02 the best meal ever served on planet Earth.
• 21:06 This is breakfast with the risen King of kings.
• 21:11 David: Wow.
• 21:12 Kirsten: Can you imagine? I know.
• 21:14 Well, I feel that way about this.
• 21:16 Where'd the fish come from?
• 21:18 Did Jesus fish it out?
• 21:19 Did the risen Savior himself knead that bread out?
• 21:22 Can you imagine eating bread that the risen Messiah himself
• 21:25 made and cooked on fire?
• 21:28 I bet it was spectacular.
• 21:29 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Well, I never thought of that.
• 21:31 David: Did it just appear?
• 21:32 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Well, I never thought--like,
• 21:33 of course, I don't live in a woman's experience
• 21:35 in terms of making the meal.
• 21:37 And you're there, Jesus, preparing a meal for the family,
• 21:39 and the exalted Lord, you know.
• 21:42 It is kind of profound.
• 21:43 Kirsten: Right?
• 21:44 I mean, he could have come with his scepter and his crown,
• 21:46 and it's just he's back to normal.
• 21:48 He's back to normal life with Peter.
• 21:50 They're out fishing.
• 21:51 He yells out to them.
• 21:53 And then what did that fish and bread taste like?
• 21:56 I think it was the best meal ever, in my opinion.
• 21:58 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: It's great. Kirsten: Isn't that neat?
• 22:00 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: It really is,
• 22:02 and it reminds me the Lord provides for us.
• 22:03 He makes it for us. He wants to bless.
• 22:06 They were tired. They were hungry.
• 22:08 It wasn't a good night.
• 22:09 It was a long night's work, and they had a great ending
• 22:11 with an amazing catch, but these people were exhausted.
• 22:14 And Jesus is sensitive of that and cares about these people.
• 22:18 David: I'm thinking about all we've heard from you
• 22:20 so far about Peter's story from all of our programs.
• 22:23 There's been a lot of grace that he's received through it all.
• 22:27 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: That's really why I wanted to do it.
• 22:29 You know, that's what I, I think that's why
• 22:31 I gravitate to characters like Peter, and like David.
• 22:36 It's just you see him in the humanity,
• 22:39 and God loves them.
• 22:41 Kirsten: And this was redemption morning.
• 22:43 You know, Peter still-- I mean, yes, he knew Jesus rose.
• 22:46 But what we humans do is we've done that stuff.
• 22:51 We've done something, and it's still eating away at us.
• 22:54 He didn't have--you talk about a come to Jesus meeting.
• 22:58 He had a mini come to Jesus meeting,
• 23:01 where Jesus gave him opportunity to redeem himself.
• 23:05 That's incredible.
• 23:07 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: That's really important, too.
• 23:08 That really is, giving people-- he did give him a break,
• 23:11 but he afforded him an opportunity
• 23:13 to reaffirm what Peter really was.
• 23:15 You know, sometimes we get knocked out of kilter
• 23:18 because of sin and circumstance, but our heart's really good,
• 23:21 even with it all, but we need to be able to return back
• 23:25 to that first love and articulate.
• 23:28 That's profound.
• 23:30 Kirsten: No, and I love that.
• 23:32 And can we just touch upon real quick, again, the 153 fish?
• 23:36 I think in so many-- even Bible class,
• 23:39 you mentioned that--you know, we've been to Bible college.
• 23:41 We kind of read over that.
• 23:43 That was extremely significant, the 153, was it not?
• 23:47 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yeah,
• 23:48 John uses more symbolism than others, arguably.
• 23:50 There's a few schools of thought on that.
• 23:52 One, the rabbis identified 153 languages,
• 23:55 and it's indicative of throw the net in there and bring
• 23:59 in all people.
• 24:01 Similarly, I remember an anthropology professor
• 24:04 at Notre Dame at a doctoral lecture said,
• 24:07 "If you take 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and just add them,
• 24:09 it comes up to 153.
• 24:11 It's a way in Latin where we say, ad infinitum;
• 24:14 that is, it goes on indefinitely.
• 24:17 The point is, just throw the net in there,
• 24:19 and it's all going to come.
• 24:21 You're going to see it come your way.
• 24:22 And that's what he said 2,000 years ago;
• 24:24 and 2,000 years later, it looks like he was right.
• 24:26 Kirsten: It is.
• 24:28 We should all be out fishing for those men and women
• 24:29 of the world.
• 24:31 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: That's true. Kirsten: Every language.
• 24:32 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes.
• 24:33 David: So good.
• 24:35 There's a song that I recorded from our founder, Zola Levitt.
• 24:36 It's the question that Yeshua asks Peter.
• 24:38 "Do you love me?"
• 24:40 And now it's time for us to end our program.
• 24:42 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: It's time to say goodbye.
• 24:43 As you go now, sha'alu shalom Yerushalayim.
• 24:46 David: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
• 24:48 ♪♪♪
• 25:13 ♪ Lovest thou me ♪
• 25:18 ♪ Lovest thou me ♪
• 25:24 ♪ Simon Peter, lovest thou me ♪
• 25:38 ♪ Simon, do you love me ♪
• 25:44 ♪ Simon, do you love me ♪
• 25:50 ♪ If you love me, feed my sheep ♪
• 26:04 ♪ Tend to these little ones ♪
• 26:09 ♪ Be their shepherd ♪
• 26:15 ♪ See to these little ones ♪
• 26:20 ♪ Feed my sheep ♪
• 26:26 ♪ The keys to my kingdom I give unto you ♪
• 26:37 ♪ Bring home these little ones ♪
• 26:43 ♪ Feed my sheep ♪
• 26:50 ♪♪♪
• 26:58 ♪ Lovest thou me ♪
• 27:03 ♪ Lovest thou me ♪
• 27:09 ♪ Simon Peter, Simon Peter, lovest thou me ♪
• 27:23 ♪ Simon, do you love me ♪
• 27:28 ♪ Simon, do you love me ♪
• 27:34 ♪ If you love me, feed my sheep ♪
• 27:46 ♪ If you love me, feed my sheep ♪
• 28:04 ♪♪♪