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• 00:05 IN 1095 POPE URBAN THE SECOND >>DECREED THAT THE CENTER OF THE >>KNOWN WORLD, JERUSALEM,
• 00:11 SHOULD BE FREED FROM MUSLIM CONTROL.
• 00:14 SPURRED BY RELIGIOUS FERVOR, >>WARRIORS MARCHED UNABATED ACROSS >>EUROPE TOWARDS THE HOLY LAND,
• 00:21 LEAVING DEATH AND DEVASTATION IN THEIR WAKE.
• 00:23 IN THE END, UPWARDS OF 30,000 >>MUSLIMS AND JEWS WERE MASSACRED >>IN JERUSALEM, ALONE.
• 00:30 THIS WAS CALLED "A HOLY WAR". >>THESE WERE THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:41 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN AND WELCOME >>BACK TO OUR CRUSADERS SERIES.
• 00:45 ON THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO A COUPLE OF INTERESTING PERSONALITIES.
• 00:50 LATER ON IN THE PROGRAM, DAVID BEDEIN,
• 00:52 A WRITER FOR THE JERUSALEM POST >>WILL JOIN US AND HE HAS SOME IDEAS ON AMERICAN POLICY.
• 00:59 HE IS AN AMERICAN LIVING IN JERUSALEM.
• 01:02 AND THEN PROFESSOR BENJAMIN KEDAR OF HEBREW UNIVERSITY,
• 01:06 AN EXPERT ON THE CRUSADERS AND THEIR PERIOD
• 01:08 AND WHAT THEY DID HERE AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO HIM AT A VERY >>INTERESTING PLACE.
• 01:13 WE'LL GO THERE RIGHT NOW.
• 01:14 IT'S AT SAMUEL'S TOMB, SO CALLED.
• 01:16 I DOUBT IF SAMUEL IS BURIED THERE, BUT IT'S A MAGNIFICENT STRUCTURE
• 01:20 ON TOP OF A HIGH HILL, OVERLOOKING ALL OF JERUSALEM.
• 01:25 SO NOW TO LOCATION.
• 01:32 PROFESSOR, THE CRUSADERS WERE AWFULLY INTERESTED IN THIS PLACE.
• 01:38 TELL ME FROM THE BEGINNING.
• 01:40 WHAT HAPPENED HERE?
• 01:41 WE ARE ON THE SPOT WHERE THE CRUSADERS SAW JERUSALEM FOR THE FIRST TIME
• 01:48 AS THEY CAME HERE FROM THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST IN JUNE OF 1099.
• 01:53 IT WAS FROM HERE THAT THEY SAW >>THE CITY AND THEREFORE THEY CALLED THE PLACE MT. OF JOY.
• 02:00 FROM UP ON THIS HIGH HILL, >>YOU CAN VIEW THE ENTIRE SPECTOR >>OF JERUSALEM.
• 02:07 SO YOU CAN NOW.
• 02:09 WAS IT LIKE THIS?
• 02:10 DID IT APPEAL TO THEM AS BEING LIKE ONE OF THEIR CASTLES ON A HIGH HILL?
• 02:14 WELL, AT THAT SPECIFIC TIME, THERE WAS NO CASTLE AND NO BUILDING.
• 02:19 THERE WERE RUINS OF A MONASTERY, BUT LATER ON, THEY BUILT HERE,
• 02:23 A MONASTERY OF THEIR OWN BECAUSE THIS PLACE IS CONSIDERED BY ALL >>THREE RELIGIONS,
• 02:30 JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS AS THE BURIAL PLACE OF THE PROPHET SAMUEL.
• 02:36 IS THERE SOME TRUTH TO THAT?
• 02:39 HAVE PEOPLE DETERMINED IT'S A BURIAL--
• 02:40 EXPERTS TELL YOU THAT THERE'S NO >>CHANCE THAT HE'S BURIED HERE.
• 02:44 THERE'S SO MANY SITES IN >>JERUSALEM SPECIFY A FAMOUS NAME.
• 02:49 BUT, IN ANY CASE, HERE THEY WERE. WHAT THEN WENT ON?
• 02:52 WELL, THEY FORTIFIED THE MONASTERY AND IF YOU WILL LOOK AROUND,
• 02:56 YOU WILL SEE REMAINS OF IMPRESSIVE FORTIFICATIONS OF A MOAT CUT IN THE ROCK,
• 03:03 VERY MANY BUILDINGS THAT WERE >>EXCAVATED DURING THE LAST DECADE
• 03:07 AND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, THE CHURCH.
• 03:10 AND THEY WERE SINCERE RELIGIOUS--
• 03:14 YES, THERE WAS A GROUP OF >>PRAMEN-SANTANGONISTS FROM FRANCE
• 03:20 WHO ESTABLISHED THE HOUSE HERE >>AND STAYED HERE
• 03:23 UNTIL SALADIN CONQUERED THE KINGDOM OF JERUSALEM IN 1187.
• 03:30 LATER ON, AT SOME TIME IN THE >>15TH CENTURY, IT WAS A SYNAGOGUE
• 03:38 AND STILL LATER, IT BECAME A MOSQUE
• 03:40 AND NOW IT'S DIVIDED BETWEEN A MOSQUE UPSTAIRS AND A SYNAGOGUE >>IN THE CRYPT.
• 03:47 ISN'T THAT INTERESTING.
• 03:48 DO THE TWO FACTIONS GET ALONG WHEN THE COME HERE TO PRAY?
• 03:51 WELL, I NEVER HEARD THAT THERE >>WERE INCIDENTS HERE.
• 03:56 THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE ARE >>NO INCIDENTS ELSEWHERE.
• 04:00 RIGHT.
• 04:00 WELL, IF THEY WORSHIPED HERE, THE CRUSADERS AND SO ON,
• 04:04 OUR SOLDIERS, THE COALITION, >>THE BRITISH AND AMERICAN TROOPS >>PRESENTLY IN IRAQ
• 04:12 ARE REFERRED TO AS "NEW CRUSADERS"
• 04:14 AND YOU POINTED OUT WHEN WE WERE >>TALKING BEFORE THE PROGRAM,
• 04:16 THAT THIS HAS BEEN A NAME PUT ON >>WESTERN ARMIES RIGHT ALONG
• 04:20 FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE 20TH CENTURY.
• 04:23 RIGHT.
• 04:25 IN MODERN ARAB POLITICAL WRITINGS,
• 04:30 YOU WILL FIND THIS MOTIVE OF THE CRUSADERS OF THE 12TH AND 13TH CENTURY
• 04:36 BEING EQUATED BY MODERN COLONIALISTS, IMPERIALIST, ZIONISTS,
• 04:42 THIS RECURS TIME AND AGAIN IN SPEECHES, IN WRITING, IN NEWSPAPERS,
• 04:49 VERY COMMON MOTIVE.
• 04:51 BUT, SURELY, THE CRUSADERS THAT >>CAME FIRST OF ALL,
• 04:54 CAME WITH A RELIGIOUS MOTIVE AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY PUBLISHED
• 04:58 AND THEN WHEN THEY WERE HERE, >>THERE WAS SOME BLOODY FIGHTING.
• 05:02 THE AMERICANS AND BRITISH WHO ARE IN IRAQ,
• 05:05 AT LEAST THEY HAVE PUBLISHED THAT THEY'RE THERE TO BRING PEACE TO THE NATION.
• 05:11 YES, BUT YOU MAY SAY THAT NOWADAYS
• 05:15 THE COALITION HAS INTENDED TO LIBERATE THE IRAQI PEOPLE,
• 05:21 WHERE AS THE CRUSADERS WERE BENT UPON LIBERATING THE HOLY PLACES,
• 05:27 WHICH IS SOMETHING QUITE DIFFERENT.
• 05:28 THERE WAS ALSO THE AIM TO LIBERATE EASTERN CHRISTIANS FROM MUSLIM OPPRESSION.
• 05:40 THE PEOPLE FROM THE BYZANTINES >>THAT WERE HERE.
• 05:43 YES, AND THE OTHER ORIENTAL CHRISTIANS
• 05:46 WHO ARE LIVING UNDER MUSLIM RULE >>SINCE THE 7TH CENTURY.
• 05:50 THEY WERE HAVING A TOUGH TIME.
• 05:52 YES, SO THERE WAS DOUBLE IF YOU WISH, AIM,
• 05:55 THE HOLY PLACE AND THE CHRISTIANS IN THE EAST WHO WERE IN THE NEED OF HELP.
• 06:01 SOME SAY THAT THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF A TERRIBLE MUSLIM-CHRISTIAN ANIMOSITY
• 06:09 WHEN THESE KNIGHTS RODE IN HERE >>AND BEGAN TO FIGHT.
• 06:14 YES, BUT WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS GOING ON,
• 06:20 FIGHTING BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS
• 06:23 RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING OF ISLAM IN THE 7TH CENTURY.
• 06:28 THE MUSLIMS CONQUERED CHRISTIAN >>COUNTRY LIKE EGYPT,
• 06:34 LIKE PALESTINE, SYRIA, >>NORTH AFRICA AND MOST OF SPAIN >>AND THIS WAS A CONQUEST.
• 06:40 SO IT'S NOT THAT WITH THE CRUSADES THE STARTS CHRISTIAN-MUSLIM ANIMOSITY
• 06:49 OR FIGHTING, BUT IT CERTAINLY EXACERBATED THE PREVAILING TRENDS.
• 06:57 IT WAS GOING AND IT DIDN'T HELP >>MUCH THAT THEY CAME HERE.
• 07:00 WELL, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU CONSIDER THE CONQUEST OF JERUSALEM IN 1099,
• 07:07 IT LEAD TO A MASSACRE OF THE >>MUSLIM AND THE JEWISH POPULATION >>OF JERUSALEM.
• 07:14 NOW WE KNOW THAT IS WAS NOT A TOTAL MASSACRE AS SOME CHRONICLERS PRESENT IT.
• 07:20 THERE WERE SURVIVORS, BUT STILL >>IT SHOCKED VERY MANY MUSLIMS
• 07:27 AND EVEN IN SALADIN'S DAYS WHEN SALADIN CAME
• 07:34 AND SUCCEEDED IN PUTTING AND END >>TO THE CRUSADER KINGDOM,
• 07:40 WE HEAR MUSLIM SAY WE SHOULD TREAT THE CHRISTIANS NOW >>AS THEY TREATED US BACK IN 1099.
• 07:49 SO THE MEMORY OF THAT MASSACRE >>WAS THERE ALL THE TIME.
• 07:54 LET ME ASK YOU, YOU'RE A >>PROFESSOR AT HEBREW UNIVERSITY, >>OF COURSE,
• 07:58 DID THEY NOT DRAW SOME DISTINCTION, THE INCOMING CRUSADERS,
• 08:04 BETWEEN JEWS, WHO THE BIBLE IS THEIR STORY, AFTER ALL
• 08:10 AND MUSLIMS WHO REALLY ARE >>FOREIGNERS FROM ANOTHER NATION >>WITH A DIFFERENT RELIGION.
• 08:15 WELL, ONE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT IN CHRISTENDOM, IN CATHOLICISM,
• 08:22 TRUE ISRAEL, THIS IS NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE ANYMORE AFTER CHRIST.
• 08:29 TRUE ISRAEL, VERIS ISRAEL, THESE ARE THE CHRISTIANS.
• 08:34 REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY.
• 08:35 YES, SO THIS IS ONE THING TO REMEMBER,
• 08:37 ANOTHER IS THAT EVEN BEFORE THE CRUSADERS MET THE FIRST MUSLIM,
• 08:43 THEY KILLED VERY MANY JEWS ON THEIR WAY
• 08:47 ESPECIALLY IN THE RHINE VALLEY >>IN GERMANY
• 08:49 AND IDEA WAS AND YOU HEAR IT BOTH IN CHRISTIAN AND HEBREW, JEWISH SOURCES,
• 08:55 THAT THE CRUSADERS SAY WE ARE >>GOING ALL THAT WAY TO FIGHT THE >>ENEMY OF CHRIST.
• 09:02 HERE ARE ENEMIES OF CHRIST LIVING AMONGST US, LET'S DEAL WITH THEM.
• 09:06 BUT, THINGS WERE MUCH DEEPER THAN THAT.
• 09:09 BRINGING JEWS TO THE TRUE FAITH, >>THAT IS TO CHRISTIANITY,
• 09:16 WAS CONSIDERED BY SOME, CONCEIVED BY SOME,
• 09:19 AS A WAY TO FURTHER THE SECOND >>COMING OF CHRIST.
• 09:25 IT WAS AN ESCHATOLOGICAL MEANING TO IT.
• 09:29 IN FACT THE SCRIPTURE, THERE'S IMPLICATIONS THAT,
• 09:32 SHOULD THE JEWS COME TO A MESSIANIC BELIEF, THIS WOULD START THE MESSIANIC AGE.
• 09:37 YES.
• 09:38 SO THOSE SLAUGHTERS OR KILLINGS IN THE RHINE VALLEY ON THE WAY >>TO JERUSALEM
• 09:43 WERE COMBINED WITH A WISH TO >>CONVERT THE JEWS TO CHRISTIANITY
• 09:52 IF THEY DO NOT CONVERT, THEN WE KILL THEM.
• 09:54 BUT, YOU CAN SEE IT ALSO AS AN ACT OF LOVE.
• 09:59 "CRUSADING AS AN ACT OF LOVE" >>IS THE TITLE OF A FAMOUS ESSAY
• 10:05 BY A FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE OF MINE, PROFESSOR RILEY SMITH OF CAMBRIDGE
• 10:09 AND THIS CRUSADING AS AN ACT OF LOVE MEANS THAT YOU EXPRESS YOUR >>LOVE FOR FELLOW CHRISTIANS,
• 10:17 THAT IS YOU COME TO LIBERATE THOSE SUFFERING CHRISTIANS IN THE EAST AND IN JERUSALEM.
• 10:26 GOOD FOR THE FELLOW CHRISTIANS >>BUT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
• 10:33 YES, AS I ONCE SAID, BEING A DESCENDANT OF THOSE
• 10:39 WHO WERE AT THE RECEIVING END OF >>THIS ACT OF LOVE, MAYBE, I SEE THINGS DIFFERENT.
• 10:45 NOW, THE CASTLES, THEY PUT GIGANTIC CASTLES ON MOUNTAIN TOPS.
• 10:51 THEY BUILT AS IF THEY WERE IN EUROPE, DEEP MOATS,
• 10:56 DID THEY NOT UNDERSTAND THE >>TERRAIN OR WAS THIS EFFECTIVE?
• 11:03 THERE WAS SO MUCH MAN HOURS WENT >>INTO JUST THE CONSTRUCTIONS.
• 11:07 I THINK THEY UNDERSTOOD THE TERRAIN PERFECTLY.
• 11:11 THEY CHOSE THE LOCATIONS FOR THE >>CASTLES VERY WELL
• 11:15 AND THEY BUILT ALL THESE CASTLES >>FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR DEFENSE PURPOSES
• 11:21 BECAUSE WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT >>THEY CONSTITUTED A MINORITY WITHIN THERE OWN KINGDOM.
• 11:29 WE CANNOT GIVE ANY EXACT NUMBERS, BUT MAYBE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE VERY WRONG
• 11:36 IF WE SAY THAT FOR EVERY CRUSADER WHO CAME FROM THE WEST AND SETTLED HERE,
• 11:42 THERE MAY HAVE BEEN 3 OR 4 ORIENTALS, BE THEY MUSLIMS OR ORIENTAL CHRISTIANS.
• 11:51 SO, THEY HAD TO ASSERT THEMSELVES AND ONE PURPOSE OF THE CASTLE
• 11:56 IS JUST TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE THE MASTER.
• 11:58 THIS GOES THE SAME ALSO FOR CASTLES BUILT IN EUROPE AND >>AREAS THAT ARE NOT UNDER THREAT
• 12:06 AND IN ADDITION, YOU HAD MUSLIM >>FORCES TO THE NORTHEAST, TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST.
• 12:14 PROFESSOR, IT'S WONDERFUL TO TALK TO YOU.
• 12:17 I COULD LISTEN ALL DAY, BUT OUR TIME IS LIMITED.
• 12:20 THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING.
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• 13:03 ♪FOLLOW ME TO GALILEE
• 13:04 AND JESUS SAID UNTO THEM, DO NOT BE AFRAID,
• 13:07 GO TELL MY BRETHREN TO GO INTO GALILEE, THERE THEY WILL SEE ME.
• 13:12 ♪FOLLOW ME HOME.
• 13:13 IT STRENGTHENS OUR FAITH TO KNOW THAT JESUS WALKED ON THE WATER AND THAT WE CAN CALL OUT TO HIM.
• 13:20 IT MAKES THE WHOLE SCRIPTURES COME TO LIFE.
• 13:32 OURS TOURISTS, OF COURSE, ARE AMERICANS BASICALLY
• 13:35 AND ARE ALWAYS SURPRISED TO SEE THE ISRAEL THAT WE SEE BECAUSE
• 13:39 THE DISTORTIONS BY THE MEDIA, CNN, NEW YORK TIMES, ONE I MENTION EVERY TIME
• 13:46 BECAUSE THEY ARE THE WORST OFFENDERS.
• 13:48 THEY DON'T JUST GET IT WRONG, >>THEY WRITE IT WRONG ON PURPOSE.
• 13:51 DAVID BEDEIN, A JERUSALEM POST WRITER, BELIEVES MOST AMERICANS >>DON'T UNDERSTAND
• 13:57 EVEN THE IMPACT OF OUR GOVERNMENT'S POLICIES TOWARD ISRAEL
• 14:01 WHICH ARE POLICIES HE CRITICIZES QUITE A BIT AND HE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE.
• 14:07 LET'S GO TO OUR INTERVIEW WITH HIM.
• 14:10 YOU HAVE AN ARTICLE IN "FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE",
• 14:12 A ROGUE STATE DEPARTMENT AND YOU >>SAY THE U.S. CONSTITUTION >>MANDATES THAT THE U.S. CONGRESS,
• 14:21 ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE >>AMERICAN PEOPLE
• 14:23 MUST ADVISE ON CONSENT THE U.S. >>ADMINISTRATION ON MATTERS OF FOREIGN POLICY.
• 14:27 NOBODY WOULD ARGUE WITH THAT.
• 14:28 NOW, YOU SAY THE TIME HAS COME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE >>THE STATE DEPARTMENT POLICIES
• 14:32 ACCOUNTABLE TO THE U.S. SENATE >>FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE,
• 14:36 U.S. HOUSE INTERNATIONAL >>RELATIONS COMMITTEE, THE MEDIA >>AND THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE
• 14:40 IN AT LEAST 20 CRITICAL MATTERS OF MIDDLE EAST FOREIGN POLICY.
• 14:45 THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT HAS ACTED INDEPENDENTLY OF U.S. CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL
• 14:50 OF IT'S IMPLEMENTATION OF MIDDLE EAST POLICY.
• 14:54 CORRECT.
• 14:55 THEY'RE RUNNING OFF BY THEMSELVES.
• 14:57 ABSOLUTELY.
• 14:57 WHEN YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE >>THE PEOPLE OF THE U.S. REPRESENTED BY THE CONGRESS
• 15:04 AND REPRESENTED BY THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE A VERY CLEAR
• 15:07 UNDERSTANDING OF ISRAEL'S ISOLATED PREDICAMENT,
• 15:11 NOT WANTING ISRAEL TO KOWTOW >>TO THE TERRORISM OF THE P.L.O.
• 15:17 NOW, THAT KIND OF SITUATION AND >>IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD, WHEN I VISIT THE U.S. CONGRESS,
• 15:22 I HEAR LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS UNITED IN >>THEIR SUPPORT OF ISRAEL.
• 15:28 BUT, THEN WHEN WE COME TO WATCH THE STATE DEPARTMENT POLICIES,
• 15:31 YOU KNOW, THE STATE DEPARTMENT WHICH SUPPORTS AN ORGANIZATION >>SUCH AS UNRWA,
• 15:37 UNITED NATION WORK AND RELIEF AGENCY
• 15:39 WHICH FORCES A WHOLE GENERATION >>OF PALESTINIAN ARABS
• 15:43 TO STAY IN REFUGEE CAMPS UNDER >>THE PREMISE AND PROMISE
• 15:46 OF THE RIGHT TO RETURN TO THEIR HOMES FROM 1948 WHICH NO LONGER EXISTS.
• 15:52 THEY LEFT THEIR HOMES IN 1948, NOT BECAUSE ISRAEL WANTED THAT >>TO HAPPEN,
• 15:58 IT HAPPENED DURING THE WAR.
• 15:59 INSTEAD OF BEING RESETTLED, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT
• 16:02 TOGETHER WITH THE CANADIAN >>DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS, >>AND THE EUROPEAN UNION,
• 16:07 SUPPORT A SYSTEM OF KEEPING THEM >>IN THE CAMPS AND KEEPING THE CALDRON HOT
• 16:12 AND THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY'RE >>GOING TO REPLACE ISRAEL, HOT.
• 16:17 AND THAT POLICY HAS TO BE QUESTIONED.
• 16:21 THERE WAS NEVER A DECISION BY THE U.S. CONGRESS OR BY THE WHITE HOUSE,
• 16:26 HEY, WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THE >>IDEA THAT THE ARABS
• 16:29 CAN COME BACK TO ALL THE HOMES >>THEY LEFT IN JERUSALEM
• 16:32 OR THE VILLAGES THEY LEFT IN THE >>GALIL OR THE NEGEV.
• 16:36 THERE WAS NEVER A DECISION LIKE THAT.
• 16:38 BUT, THE STATE DEPARTMENT, FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS
• 16:40 HAS BEEN PUSHING THAT IDEA IN AN UNDIGNIFIED WAY.
• 16:44 THE TIME HAS COME FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO DO WANT FAIRNESS TO ISRAEL,
• 16:50 TO SPEAK UP AND SAY, EXCUSE ME, WE CANNOT SUPPORT SUCH A POLICY.
• 16:56 OK, SOME AMERICANS ACTUALLY DO.
• 16:58 I MEAN THEY OPPOSE COLIN POWELL'S STATEMENTS.
• 17:01 THEY OPPOSE THE IDEA OF GIVING >>THE SAUDIS A FREE PASS.
• 17:05 I'M SAYING "SOME".
• 17:05 I'M THINKING SOME RIGHT THINKING >>JEWISH PEOPLE, SOME CHRISTIAN ZIONIST,
• 17:09 SOME PEOPLE DON'T BUY INTO THE >>STATE DEPARTMENT'S THING.
• 17:13 MOST PEOPLE ASSUME THEY HAVE AN ATTITUDE OF "THAT'S THE WAY IT IS".
• 17:17 WE'RE RECORDING THIS INTERVIEW >>ON THE 65TH ANNIVERSARY OF "KRISTALLNACHT",
• 17:24 WHERE THE GERMANS BROKE WINDOWS >>AND BURNT SYNAGOGUES.
• 17:30 WHAT THEY DID WAS TO ESTABLISH THE PRECEDENT OF WHAT HAPPENED >>IN WWII,
• 17:34 THAT THEY WOULD KILL OFF JEWS AND SEE HOW THE WORLD WOULD RESPOND AND THE WORLD,
• 17:41 EVEN THE WORLD'S JEWS RESPONDED >>ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA, WITH NOTHING.
• 17:47 NOW, WE ARE A GENERATION LATER, >>WE SAY ON PASSOVER,
• 17:51 (SPEAKING HEBREW) EVERY >>GENERATION, AN ENTITY COMES UP >>THAT WANTS TO DESTROY US.
• 18:01 THE P.L.O. IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN AGENT OF THE ARAB LEAGUE,
• 18:07 FUNDED THROUGH SAUDI ARABIA AND REMEMBER THIS ROADMAP THAT MR. POWELL TALKS ABOUT ALL THE TIME,
• 18:15 ADOPTED MARCH 30, 2002, THE DAY AFTER THE PASSOVER MASSACRE IN >>NATANYA, WHAT'S IT BASED ON?
• 18:23 PARAGRAPH 2, THE SAUDI PLAN WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF RETURN
• 18:29 PROMOTED THROUGH UNRWA, FUNDED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND THE >>WESTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
• 18:36 THE IDEA THAT ISRAEL WOULD BE REPLACED BY AN ARAB ENTITY
• 18:41 AND IF YOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU >>THE MAPS CURRENTLY PUT OUT BY THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY,
• 18:48 ISRAEL IS ELIMINATED.
• 18:50 NOW LOOK, UNRWA WENT IN BUSINESS BACK WHEN THE U.S. AND EVEN THE >>COMMUNIST REGIME IN RUSSIA
• 18:59 WELCOMED ISRAEL TO THE U.N. >>CORRECT.
• 19:03 I MEAN, HOW COULD WE HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
• 19:04 HERE'S A COMMITTEE FROM THE U.N. >>THAT BUILDS REFUGEE CAMPS
• 19:07 APPARENTLY TO RESETTLE THESE ARABS AND THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR GRANDCHILDREN
• 19:13 INTO HOMES THAT SUPPOSEDLY--
• 19:14 THIS IS LIKE BRINGING BACK THE CONFEDERATES TO THEIR PLANTATIONS.
• 19:17 THE PLANTATIONS ARE GONE AND WE'RE DOWN A FEW GENERATIONS.
• 19:21 HOW CAN WE HAVE IT BOTH WAYS?
• 19:24 YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
• 19:27 THE PROBLEM IS, THE PEOPLE DON'T TAKE WHAT ARABS SAY SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.
• 19:32 AS A JOURNALIST, WHEN I WAS >>STUDYING MY FIELD OF JOURNALISM >>AS A YOUNG MAN,
• 19:39 I INTERVIEWED WILLIAM SHIRER WHO >>WROTE THE BOOK, "THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH"
• 19:44 HE WAS THE CORRESPONDENT FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES IN BERLIN DURING >>THE NAZI ERA
• 19:49 AND WE ASKED HIM WHAT IT WAS >>LIKE TO HEAR HITLER'S WORDS AND >>TO REPORT THEM.
• 19:54 "HOW COULD YOU REMAIN NEUTRAL", >>I ASKED HIM.
• 19:57 "I WASN'T NEUTRAL, I WAS OBJECTIVE.
• 19:58 "I WROTE DOWN EVERYTHING THAT HITLER SAID,
• 20:01 "REPORTED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES >>AND PEOPLE DIDN'T HEAR IT".
• 20:05 SINCE THE ADVENT OF THE >>PALESTINIAN NATIONAL AUTHORITY,
• 20:08 EVERY WORD HAS BEEN ACCESSIBLE >>WHAT ARAFAT AND HIS PEOPLE AROUND HIM HAVE BEEN SAYING,
• 20:14 NOT ONLY ARAFAT, AND IT HAS NOT BEEN NOTED.
• 20:20 OUR AGENCY, "ISRAEL RESOURCE NEWS AGENCY"
• 20:23 IS READY TO DISPATCH SPEAKERS THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN WORLD
• 20:26 TO PRESENT TO YOU WHAT THEY'RE >>SAYING IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE TO THEIR PEOPLE.
• 20:31 PALESTINIAN BROADCAST CORP. UNTIL 1998, FUNDED THROUGH U.S.A.I.D.,
• 20:40 THE UNITED STATES AGENCY FOR INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT,
• 20:42 NOT BY SOME ARAB KOOKS, BUT WESTERN DEMOCRACIES.
• 20:46 BECAUSE, THOUGH IT'S ONLY WORDS, >>WORDS HAVE POWER AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO SAY.
• 20:54 WORDS HAVE POWER.
• 20:56 LET ME TAKE YOU OVER TO IRAQ.
• 20:59 DO WE HAVE TO?
• 21:00 ISN'T THE STATE DEPARTMENT SORT >>OF GUILTY OF THE SAME THING,
• 21:04 OF MUDDLING THINGS OVER, SAYING P.R. THINGS.
• 21:08 WHAT'S GOING ON, REALLY?
• 21:08 WELL, THE STATE DEPT. PRETENDS >>TO BE A MIDDLE MAN, >>THE TEND TO BE A "MEDDLE MAN".
• 21:12 THEY TEND TO MEDDLE IN AFFAIRS AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S FLYING.
• 21:17 THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN BUY OFF PEOPLE IN THE SHORT RUN
• 21:22 AND THINK THAT WILL CREATE >>AN ALLY, THAT'S HOW YOU CREATE >>ADVERSARIES.
• 21:29 BECAUSE, WHAT YOU HAVE IS A >>SITUATION WHICH IS VERY CLEAR;
• 21:32 THE STATE DEPT. COMES TO IRAQ, OFFERS THEM OODLES OF MONEY TO >>FIGHT IRAN,
• 21:39 BUILDS UP THEIR MILITARY POTENTIAL AND THINKS,
• 21:41 THAT'S IT, THEY'RE GOING TO RETURN THE GUNS.
• 21:44 IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
• 21:46 WHEN YOU PAY PEOPLE OFF IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THEY THINK OF YOU >>AS A SUCKER.
• 21:52 I GREW UP IN AMERICA, SO I'M SURE.
• 21:56 THEY DO IN AMERICA TOO.
• 21:57 IF YOU GIVE SOMEBODY MONEY FOR NOTHING, YOU'RE FIGHTING THE WAR >>AGAINST IRAN
• 22:04 AND THEY TAKE THE MONEY AND SAY THANK YOU AND SAY CAN WE ALSO HAVE KUWAIT.
• 22:08 THAT IS SOMETHING, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR TO IRAQ
• 22:16 SAID, "AH, THEY DON'T MEAN IT."
• 22:18 IT'S NOT GOING TO--
• 22:19 THE LADY >>ABSOLUTELY.
• 22:20 AND THIS IS THE WHOLE THING OF A LACK OF AMERICAN UNDERSTANDING >>OF THE MIDDLE EAST MENTALITY.
• 22:26 WE JEWS UNDERSTAND ARABS.
• 22:29 ISAAC UNDERSTANDS ISHMAEL.
• 22:31 ISAAC UNDERSTANDS THE ISMAELITE CURSE, THAT THIS IS A WILD MAN, >>A WILD MAN,
• 22:39 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK IN GENESIS, >>HOW ISHMAEL IS ALSO THE ONE WHO >>GOES ALONG WITH ABRAHAM
• 22:47 ACCORDING TO OUR RABBINIC SOURCES TO RECEIVE THE ANGELS
• 22:50 TO TRAIN HIM IN THE ART OF >>HOSPITALITY SO IT'S A WILD MAN WHO KNOWS HOW TO BE HOSPITABLE.
• 22:55 WHEN I INTERVIEWED YASSER ARAFAT >>FOR THREE HOURS, THE MAN WAS WIGGLING IN HIS SEAT,
• 23:01 BEING SO FRIENDLY, GIVING JUICE, GIVING COFFEE, THE FRIENDLIEST >>GUY IN THE WORLD.
• 23:05 NOW, YOU GO BACK TO IRAQ, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT >>SADDAM HUSSEIN AND YASSER ARAFAT
• 23:13 HAVE BEEN LIKE THIS, [CLOSE]
• 23:14 BUT NOT ONLY HAS SADDAM HUSSEIN >>BEEN SUPPORTING ARAFAT,
• 23:18 BUT ARAFAT HAS BEEN SUPPLYING THE TROOPS FOR SADDAM HUSSEIN
• 23:20 AND NOW FOR THE WAR AGAINST >>AMERICA AND GUESS WHERE THEY'RE DOING THEIR MILITARY TRAINING,
• 23:26 IN THE UNRWA CAMPS IN LEBANON, >>UNRWA CAMPS SUPPORTED BY U.S. GOVERNMENT.
• 23:34 OKAY, LET ME TRY TO FOLLOW THE MONEY.
• 23:35 SO, THE AMERICAN TAX PAYER PAYS ITS TAXES TO WASHINGTON.
• 23:38 WASHINGTON HELPS SUPPORT U.N. UNRWA CAMPS.
• 23:42 THE UNRWA CAMPS TRAIN THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS
• 23:44 THAT ARE GOING TO IRAQ AND KILLING AMERICAN TROOPS.
• 23:47 PRECISELY. >>WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR THAT?
• 23:50 BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
• 23:52 YOU KNOW WHAT MY THEME IS, ZOLA?
• 23:54 LET MY PEOPLE KNOW.
• 23:56 PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT'S FLYING.
• 24:00 IN A WORLD OF SUPERFICIALITY AND MTV PAGANISM,
• 24:05 PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT GOD >>WANTS PEOPLE TO KNOW, >>PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THE LAND,
• 24:12 ABOUT THEMSELVES, ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY.
• 24:15 U.S. GOVERNMENT GIVING MONEY TO TERRORISTS?
• 24:18 WELL, THAT WAS A DECISION BY CONGRESS?
• 24:21 WAS THERE CONGRESSIONAL RESOLUTION XXX TO SUPPORT THEM?
• 24:25 THERE NEVER WAS.
• 24:25 THE SAME THING, DID CONGRESS >>EVER DECIDE THEY WERE GOING TO >>SUPPORT SADDAM?
• 24:29 NEVER, IT JUST HAPPENED.
• 24:30 IT'S SHORT TERM THINKING JUST TO DEFEAT IRAN WITHOUT WHAT WAS >>GOING TO BE NEXT.
• 24:36 WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH THE GUNS >>AND THEIR POTENTIAL.
• 24:38 DO YOU REMEMBER THAT THE ISRAELI >>GOVERNMENT, ON JUNE 10, 1981
• 24:44 DECIDED TO CREATE A FEW BOMBS >>OVER THE IRAQI NUCLEAR FACILITY
• 24:52 WHICH WAS BEING CREATED BY THE >>WESTERN NATIONS,
• 24:55 NOT BY THE ARAB NATION, BY THE WESTERN NATION
• 24:58 FRANCE ESPECIALLY. >>ESPECIALLY FRANCE.
• 25:00 AND VICE PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH >>AT THE TIME, CALLED FOR A BOYCOTT OF ISRAEL AFTER THAT.
• 25:06 WELL, WE BEAT AROUND THE BUSH AND I THINK BUSH JR.
• 25:11 HAS BEEN VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE >>FOR WHAT ISRAEL DID.
• 25:16 OH YES, WE'D BE FIGHTING A NUCLEAR WAR.
• 25:19 SO WHAT'S YOUR HUNCH? WHAT'S COMING UP?
• 25:21 WHAT'S THE BIG PICTURE, ARE WE GOING TO ESTABLISH DEMOCRACIES >>IN THE MIDDLE EAST?
• 25:25 ARE WE GOING TO LOSE TO THE ISLAMISTS OR WHAT?
• 25:28 NO, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
• 25:29 GEORGE W. BUSH IS COMMITTED TO >>DEMOCRATIZATION OF THE MIDDLE EAST
• 25:33 AND THE DEFEAT OF THE ARAB'S TOTALITARIAN STATES THAT SURROUND ISRAEL.
• 25:37 THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, THAT THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT >>OPPOSES THAT.
• 25:41 THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT >>THAT U.S. CONGRESS IS SUPPORTIVE >>OF THE PRESIDENT'S POSITION.
• 25:46 THE QUESTION IS, FOR THE VIEWING >>AUDIENCE OF THIS PROGRAM, >>WHERE ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
• 25:54 AS WE CONCLUDE OUR CRUSADERS SERIES,
• 25:57 WE'RE STUCK WITH THIS LABEL OF >>"CRUSADERS" BY THE MUSLIMS, OUR COALITION FORCES ARE.
• 26:05 AND IN SOME WAY, THERE IS A SIMILARITY.
• 26:06 WE'RE WESTERN SOLDIERS COMING FROM OUR OWN DEMOCRACIES,
• 26:11 CHRISTIAN NATIONS AND ATTACKING >>MUSLIMS AND WE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE LOCAL CUSTOMS
• 26:16 AND WE'RE HAVING A FEW TROUBLES >>OVER THAT.
• 26:19 I JUST HOPE OUR POLICIES WITH ISRAEL WILL BE MORE BENIGN
• 26:24 BECAUSE WE'LL COME UNDER ANY >>NUMBER OF BIBLICAL ADMONITIONS
• 26:28 IF WE DON'T STRAIGHTEN THOSE UP.
• 26:44 SO WE NEED TO LOOK TO ISRAEL WITH THE KIND OF LOVE THAT GOD DOES
• 26:48 AND WE NEED TO SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, >>PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.