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Caption transcript for The Crusaders: “The Real War on Terrorism” (4/8)

• 00:06 IN 1095 POPE URBAN II DECREED THAT THE CENTER OF THE KNOWN WORLD, JERUSALEM,
• 00:13 SHOULD BE FREED FROM MUSLIM CONTROL.
• 00:15 SPURRED BY RELIGIOUS FERVOR, >>WARRIORS MARCHED UNABATED ACROSS >>EUROPE TOWARDS THE HOLY LAND,
• 00:22 LEAVING DEATH AND DEVASTATION IN THEIR WAKE.
• 00:25 IN THE END, UPWARDS OF 30,000 >>MUSLIMS AND JEWS WERE MASSACRED >>IN JERUSALEM ALONE.
• 00:31 THIS WAS CALLED "A HOLY WAR". >>THESE WERE THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:43 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:44 WELCOME BACK TO OUR SERIES ABOUT THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:48 THE CRUSADERS TURNED OUT TO BE >>MAJOR ANTI-SEMITES,
• 00:51 THAT IS ANTI-JEWISH AND ANTI-ARAB FOR THAT MATTER. THE ARABS ARE ALSO SEMITES.
• 00:56 WE ARE HAVING THIS PROBLEM REOCCUR IN TODAY'S WORLD IN A VERY BIG WAY.
• 01:02 LATER IN OUR PROGRAM WE ARE GOING TO TALK TO U.N. AMBASSADOR, DORE GOLD
• 01:08 WHO HAS A LOT TO SAY ON THIS SUBJECT.
• 01:11 FIRST, WE WENT TO THE WESTERN WALL, THE HEART OF JUDAISM
• 01:16 AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TROUBLE,
• 01:18 ESPECIALLY THE EUROPEANS ARE GIVING TO ISRAEL THESE DAYS.
• 01:32 WELL, HERE WE ARE, BACK AT THE >>CENTER OF THE EARTH
• 01:34 AND AS USUAL THERE IS BALAGAN, >>CONFUSION, CHAOS.
• 01:38 THE DOME OF THE ROCK IS BEHIND ME. >>THE WESTERN WALL IS BEHIND ME.
• 01:43 PEOPLE ARE IN PRAYER, BOTH PLACES.
• 01:45 LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF FENCES AND THE NUMBER OF POLICE AND THE NUMBER OF SOLDIERS
• 01:50 AND YOU GET SOME IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WHERE INTERSECTION >>OF RELIGIONS OCCURS
• 01:57 AND WHERE, I'M AFRAID, ANTI-SEMITISM PROMPTS US TO MAKE A PROGRAM.
• 02:05 IT'S THIS LATEST EUROPEAN SLANDER;
• 02:07 IMAGINE SAYING THAT "ISRAEL IS A THREAT TO WORLD PEACE".
• 02:13 SORRY IF I'M LAUGHING.
• 02:14 I'VE COME HERE 77 TIMES IN 30 YEARS AND I'VE NEVER HAD SO MUCH AS A STUBBED FINGER.
• 02:20 THERE'S NO ACTION HERE TO SPEAK OF.
• 02:22 YES, THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS OUT IN THE-- AND I'M NOT BELITTLING >>THEM, BUT IN AMERICA, TOO,
• 02:28 PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING UP SCHOOLS, >>PEOPLE BLOW THINGS UP.
• 02:30 IF ALL THE BOMBS WENT THAT WENT >>OFF IN ISRAEL SINCE 1948 WERE ADDED TOGETHER,
• 02:36 THEY WOULD NOT EQUAL THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.
• 02:38 I'M JUST COMPARING LAND TO LAND.
• 02:40 OF COURSE, AMERICA WAS ALSO INDICTED BY THIS EUROPEAN SLANDER.
• 02:44 AMERICA IS ALSO CONSIDERED A DANGER TO WORLD PEACE BY THE EUROPEANS
• 02:48 AND YOU HAVE TO ASK, ARE THE >>PEOPLE WHO ANSWERED THE SURVEY >>SIMPLY OUT OF THEIR MINDS
• 02:53 OR ARE THEY PREJUDICED AGAINST >>PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRACIES AND FREE LANDS
• 02:59 OR WHAT ARE THEY THINKING WHEN THEY SAY THAT?
• 03:02 NOW, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE BUT >>THE PROBLEM WITH ANTI-SEMITISM, >>ANTI-ISRAELISM,
• 03:09 WHICH ARE EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
• 03:11 YOU CAN'T SAY YOU LIKE YOUR JEWISH NEIGHBORS,
• 03:14 BUT I DISLIKE THE POLICIES OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL.
• 03:17 CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU LIKE THE FRENCH PEOPLE, BUT YOU HATE THEIR COUNTRY?
• 03:22 IT'S THE SAME THING.
• 03:24 IT'S JUST THAT ANTI-SEMITISM NOW IS TAKING A FORM OF ANTI-ISRAELISM, IF YOU LIKE,
• 03:31 AND THE PROBLEM IN BOTH, I THINK, IS WITH GOD.
• 03:35 IT'S NOT ABOUT THE JEWS. MOST ANTI-SEMITES DON'T EVEN KNOW ANY JEWS.
• 03:39 THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOD >>AND GOD IS EVERYWHERE EVIDENCED
• 03:44 BY THE PRESENCE OF THE JEWS AND BY ISRAEL.
• 03:47 THEY CAN'T ADMIT OUTLOUD THAT THEY'RE NOT RIGHTLY RELATED TO GOD
• 03:50 OR EVEN THAT THEY HATE GOD, WHICH IS TRUE IN SOME CASES.
• 03:54 BUT, THEY ACT IT OUT IN THEIR HATRED OF WHAT GOD HAS CHOSEN
• 03:59 AND WHAT GOD HAS MADE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND ISRAEL.
• 04:03 IT'S TRUE IN EUROPE, >>IN FRANCE, ENGLAND AND GERMANY.
• 04:06 THEY HAVE LONG HISTORIES OF HATING THE JEWS. IT'S NOT A NEW SITUATION.
• 04:10 A THOUSAND YEARS AGO, WHEN THEY MURDERED JEWS ON THE WAY TO THE CRUSADES,
• 04:14 THERE WAS NO WEST BANK TO TALK ABOUT, NO OCCUPATION BY THE JEWS OF SOME KIND OF ARAB LAND, ETC.
• 04:22 THAT'S COMPLETELY-- AND YET THEY STILL EVIDENCE THE SAME HATRED
• 04:26 AND IN THE HOLOCAUST, >>ISRAEL WAS NOT A JEWISH NATION >>AT ALL AS YET.
• 04:32 THE SAME ANTI-SEMITISM WAS THERE. THE PROBLEM IS WITH GOD.
• 04:36 BETWEEN THE EUROPEANS AND EVEN >>AMERICAN MILITIAS AND >>KU KLUX KLAN AND ALL THE REST,
• 04:43 THE PROBLEM IS NOT ABOUT THE >>JEWS REALLY, IT JUST COMES OUT >>THAT WAY.
• 04:50 UNBELIEVERS EVERYWHERE RESENT THE JEWS AND ISRAEL.
• 04:53 THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL. THE ARE DOING THEIR JOB.
• 04:57 THE JEWS ARE A BLESSING TO ALL NATIONS AS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE.
• 05:01 ISRAEL IS A PROGRESSIVE, LIBERAL DEMOCRACY, A FREE COUNTRY RUNNING LIKE A WATCH,
• 05:07 PRODUCTIVE, ALL TAKEN TOGETHER, >>THERE'S NO FAULT, REALLY,
• 05:14 TO BE HATED BY ANYONE OR EVEN DISLIKED BY ANYONE.
• 05:17 ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT'S SORT OF >>BIBLICAL IS THAT IT IS PROPHESIED
• 05:22 THAT ANTI-SEMITISM WILL BE A >>SIGN OF THE END AND IT HAS BEEN >>GROWING
• 05:26 THROUGH ALL THE TIME OF THE AGES >>SINCE THE LORD WAS HERE AND THROUGH THE MIDDLE AGES,
• 05:37 BUT AT THE END IN PARTICULAR, MATT 24:9 SPECIFIES,
• 05:46 WHY ALL THE NATIONS WOULD HATE A NATION OF 5 MILLION PEOPLE IS, >>THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO EXPLAIN.
• 05:54 WHEN I WAS IN CHICAGO, I SAID, >>CARELESSLY WITH OLD FIGURES IN MY HEAD,
• 06:00 ISRAEL IS THE SAME SIZE AS CHICAGO, NO, NO.
• 06:04 CHICAGO IS 5 TIMES THE SIZE OF ISRAEL.
• 06:06 THE WHOLE WORLD IS NOT COMING DOWN ON CHICAGO OR ANY CITY THAT SIZE.
• 06:11 THIS IS A VERY SMALL COUNTRY, >>REALLY AN UNIMPORTANT COUNTRY.
• 06:15 IT'S JUST HATRED OF JEWS THAT BRINGS THE ATTENTION AT THIS COUNTY
• 06:21 AND IT IS A MATTER OF PROPHECY.
• 06:23 AS WE GO ON, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE INVASION OF GOG AND MAGOG.
• 06:26 I HAVE IN THE PAST, CONNECTED >>THE ROADMAP TO PEACE WITH THIS >>UPCOMING INVASION
• 06:32 WHERE ONE LEADS THE OTHER AND FINALLY EVEN ARMAGEDDON.
• 06:36 THE ROADMAP IS LEADING THERE.
• 06:37 WE MADE A SERIES OF PROGRAMS >>CALLED "ROADMAP TO ARMAGEDDON".
• 06:40 THE WHOLE REST OF WORLD HISTORY >>OF THE UNBELIEVER UNTIL THE KINGDOM STARTS
• 06:46 IS ABOUT GETTING THE JEWS OUT OF ISRAEL, IT'S ABOUT ANTI-SEMITISM >>AND ANTI-ISRAELISM
• 06:53 AND THAT'S BIBLICALLY STATED AND >>IT'S GOING ON IN REALITY.
• 06:59 THE NEXT FACTOR IS MONEY. >>THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL BIBLICALLY.
• 07:04 OIL, THAT'S THE ROOT OF A LOT OF >>THE CONFLICT HERE,
• 07:09 THE ARABS HAVE IT, THE EUROPEANS WANT IT, THE AMERICANS WANT IT.
• 07:13 IT'S RUNNING THE ECONOMIES OF THE WORLD AND OF COURSE,
• 07:17 THE RESULT IS A PARTISANSHIP TOWARD THE ARABS, TOWARD THE PALESTINIANS
• 07:23 AND IT'S NOT TO BE CONQUERED OTHER THAN BY A LACK OF MATERIALISM
• 07:30 AND A NEW INTEREST IN GOD AND IN FAITH AND IN THE RIGHT THINGS OF LIFE,
• 07:35 NOT IN THE MATERIAL THINGS OR THINGS THAT ARE BOUGHT WITH MONEY.
• 07:39 AND A FINAL POINT ABOUT >>ANTI-SEMITISM AND ANTI-ISRAELISM >>IS SIMPLE ENVY.
• 07:46 THE JEWS CAN'T HELP BEING SUCCESSFUL.
• 07:48 THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT AND GOD >>CHOSE ABRAHAM ARBOTRARILY, HE >>WAS A GENTILE WHEN GOD CHOSE HIM
• 08:02 TO BE A BLESSING TO ALL NATIONS, >>YOU HAVE TO BE CONTRIBUTORS,
• 08:04 SUCCESSFUL AND PROGRESSIVE AND THEY ARE DOING IT. THEY ARE ACCOMPLISHING IT.
• 08:09 SO IT ENGENDERS A KIND OF ENVY WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE SUCCESSFUL
• 08:16 AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN IN EVERY NATION.
• 08:17 I DON'T CARE IF YOU LOOK IN RUSSIA, EUROPE, AMERICA, LOOK BACK IN HISTORY,
• 08:22 DOESN'T MATTER, THEY'RE ALWAYS >>SUCCESSFUL, ALWAYS HELPFUL.
• 08:25 THEY DON NOT PERSECUTE PEOPLE, >>THEY DO NOT OCCUPY OTHER PEOPLE'S LANDS.
• 08:29 AMONG THE WORLDS CIVILIZATIONS, THEY ARE ESPECIALLY INNOCENT OF >>ALL THESE THINGS
• 08:37 AND A TERRIBLE JEALOUSY GROWS AROUND THEM.
• 08:41 I'LL BE BACK RIGHT AFTER THIS.
• 08:50 FOR A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE ON >>WHAT IS HAPPENING IN ISRAEL AND >>THE MIDDLE EAST,
• 08:56 ASK FOR ZOLA'S FREE MONTHLY >>NEWSLETTER, THE LEVITT LETTER.
• 09:03 ZOLA'S NEW KINGDOM CATALOG >>DESCRIBES HIS, BOOKS, TEACHING TAPES AND CORRESPONDENCE COURSE.
• 09:11 FOR ZOLA'S FREE NEWSLETTER AND >>CATALOG, PLEASE CALL.
• 09:20 SO WHAT'S THE TRUTH ABOUT >>ANTI-SEMITISM, ANTI-ISRAELISM?
• 09:26 WELL, AS I STAND HERE >>THE AL AQSA MOSQUE IS BEHIND ME
• 09:29 AND THE PART OF THE WALL THAT'S ALREADY FELL BEHIND THE SCAFFOLD.
• 09:33 YOU CAN SEE A SCAFFOLD PUT UP WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO HELP THAT.
• 09:36 WE CAN SEE THE MOUNT OF OLIVES >>IN THE BACKGROUND, >>THE MINARET OF A MUSLIM MOSQUE.
• 09:42 I MEAN, IT'S A CARNIVAL HERE OF >>DIFFERENT RELIGIONS.
• 09:44 THERE ARE JEWISH GRAVES ALL OVER THE MT. OF OLIVES BECAUSE THEY >>TOO HAVE READ ZECH 14:4
• 09:50 AND KNOW THAT HIS FEET WILL STAND THAT DAY ON THE MT. OF OLIVES
• 09:53 WHEN MESSIAH RETURNS AND THERE >>IS A GREAT RESURRECTION.
• 09:57 SCHOOL CHILDREN ARE PASSING BY >>US AND WHEN MAKE A TV PROGRAM HERE,
• 10:03 IT'S A LITTLE LIKE GOING TO THE CIRCUS.
• 10:04 THE TRUTH IS, OKAY, ONE MAN'S OPINION, ISRAEL IS 100% BLAMELESS.
• 10:13 THERE'S NO TRUTH AT ALL TO THE >>IDEA THAT THEY ARE BRUTAL OR TOUGH OR POWERFUL
• 10:18 OR MEAN TO THE ARABS OR TOO HARSH WITH THE ARABS.
• 10:21 THERE'S NO TRUTH TO THE IDEA THAT SHARON IS SOME KIND OF >>HARD-LINER, WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
• 10:27 N.Y. TIMES SAID THAT HARD-LINERS WANTED TO BUILD THE FENCE AROUND >>THE SETTLEMENT OF ARIEL.
• 10:35 THAT'S THE HARD-LINE, SO I TOOK >>OFF WITH THAT AND I THOUGHT,
• 10:39 WELL THEN, THE MIDDLE GROUND, >>REASONABLE PEOPLE MUST WANT TO >>EXPOSE THE SETTLERS AT ARIEL
• 10:46 TO SUICIDE BOMBERS AND THE SOFT-LINERS PROBABLY WANT THE PEOPLE ARIEL
• 10:50 TO JUST BLOW THEMSELVES UP >>WITHOUT CAUSING THE PALESTINIANS >>TO HAVE TO COME THERE.
• 10:55 REALLY, JUST KIDDING, BUT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A HARD-LINE IN ISRAEL.
• 11:01 PEOPLE ARE BEING MURDERED AND ISRAEL IS TRYING TO PROTECT THEM, THAT'S ALL.
• 11:04 IF THIS IS A HARD-LINE, THEN IT'S A HARD-LINE
• 11:06 THAT THE LOS ANGELES POLICE GO >>OUT AND POLICE GANGS OR NEW YORKERS POLICE DRUG DEALERS.
• 11:12 IT'S ABSURD TO SAY "A CYCLE OF VIOLENCE". THERE'S NO SUCH THING HERE.
• 11:17 THERE'S MURDERERS AND THERE'S PEOPLE TRYING TO PROTECT INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
• 11:22 AS ONE JERUSALEM POST REPORTER >>PUT IT RECENTLY,
• 11:27 THERE IS NO CONFLICT BETWEEN A >>FLY AND A FLY SWATTER.
• 11:31 THE FLY PROTECTS HIMSELF AND ESCAPES, OR HE DOESN'T, THAT'S ALL.
• 11:35 SECONDLY ISRAEL IS RATHER GENTLE >>ABOUT THIS, NOT HARSH AT ALL.
• 11:39 YOU COMPARE SYRIA OF A FEW YEARS >>AGO WITH THE CITY OF HAMA
• 11:45 WHICH CAUSED AN ISLAMIC REVOLUTION AGAINST THEN "PRESIDENT" OF SYRIA,
• 11:52 THE DICTATOR SYRIA, HAFEZ AL ASSAD.
• 11:54 HE BROUGHT HIS ARTILLERY AND BOMBERS AND HE KILLED 20,000 CIVILIANS,
• 11:59 LEVELED THE TOWN, PAVED IT OVER, THAT'S A HARD-LINE.
• 12:05 THIS IS NOT A HARD-LINE.
• 12:06 CONSIDER SADDAM HUSSEIN GASSING 5,000 KURDISH PEOPLE AND HIS OWN CITIZENS.
• 12:14 THAT IS A HARD-LINE.
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• 12:15 IF YOU CONSIDER JENEEN, >>WHERE THE ISRAELIS ARE ACCUSED >>OF A MASSACRE,
• 12:19 SOLDIERS WENT IN ON THEIR FEET >>AND THEY TOOK MANY CASUALTIES
• 12:24 IN ORDER TO PROTECT CIVILIANS THAT WERE THERE.
• 12:28 THEY COULD HAVE DONE THE JOB WITH AIRPLANES, WITH BOMBS,
• 12:31 WITH THINGS WHERE THEY WOULDN'T >>LOSE ANY LIVES,
• 12:34 BUT THEY CHOSE TO GO THE OTHER >>WAY AND THEN THE WORLD SAID THERE WAS A MASSACRE.
• 12:39 RIDICULOUS! THERE WAS NO SUCH THING.
• 12:42 THE THINGS GOING ON IN GAZA.
• 12:44 ISRAELIS TARGET KILLERS LIKE THE >>FBI TARGETS MAFIA HIT-MEN.
• 12:53 THIS IS POLICE WORK. THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE DONE.
• 12:55 THEY CAN'T ARREST THEM HERE AND BRING THEM TO TRIAL BUT THEY SETTLE WITH THEM.
• 13:00 THE ARABS ON CNN SCREAM ABOUT EACH CIVILIAN CASUALTY THAT HAPPENS
• 13:06 AS SOME KIND OF COLLATERAL CASUALTY.
• 13:09 THEN THE NEXT MORNING, THE PALESTINIANS,
• 13:13 WHO ARE CRYING ABOUT SOMEBODY KILLED INADVERTENTLY,
• 13:16 SEND A SUICIDE BOMBER TO A CAFE, TO A WEDDING, TO A RELIGIOUS SERVICE
• 13:21 AND TRY TO KILL AS MANY CIVILIAN >>AS THEY CAN.
• 13:23 IT'S A RIDICULOUS SITUATION THAT THE WORLD WOULD CONSIDER IT ANY >>KIND OF "CYCLE OF VIOLENCE"
• 13:29 OR CONSIDER THAT ISRAEL IS >>TAKING SOME KIND OF HARD-LINE.
• 13:33 ISRAEL IS A FREE DEMOCRACY, >>OF THAT, THE ARABS ARE JEALOUS.
• 13:38 IT'S A U.S. ALLY, >>OF THAT, THE WORLD IS JEALOUS.
• 13:43 IT IS BIBLICALLY THE COMING HEAD OF THE NATIONS.
• 13:46 IF WE ARE TO TAKE THE SCRIPTURES >>LITERALLY, A MESSIANIC AGE IS COMING, AN AGE OF PEACE,
• 13:51 1,000 YEAR KINGDOM, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY IT.
• 13:54 AS TO THIS CITY, JERUSALEM, WELL, THE END OF THE SCRIPTURES SAYS
• 13:59 GOD WILL MAKE A NEW HEAVEN, A NEW EARTH AND A NEW JERUSALEM.
• 14:03 THIS CITY, THIS ONE CITY WHERE >>I STAND, IS FOREVER.
• 14:17 THUS SAYETH THE LORD GOD, I SHALL GATHER YOU FROM THE PEOPLES
• 14:21 AND ASSEMBLE OUT OF THE COUNTRIES WHERE YOU'VE BEEN SCATTERED
• 14:25 AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
• 14:28 THE WILDERNESS AND THE DRY LAND SHALL BE GLAD.
• 14:31 THE DESERT SHALL REJOICE AND BLOSSOM AS THE ROSE.
• 14:35 YOU SHALL KNOW THAT I AM THE >>LORD WHEN I BRING YOU INTO THE >>LAND OF ISRAEL.
• 14:43 YES, COME ON TO A TOUR WITH US.
• 14:45 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE IN MARCH AND JUNE THIS YEAR AND OCTOBER, >>AS ALWAYS.
• 14:50 WE'VE NEVER STOPPED TAKING OUR TOURS. THERE'S NO REASON TO.
• 14:53 IT'S MUCH SAFER IN ISRAEL THAN IT IS IN AMERICA
• 14:55 AND I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU LIVE >>IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT'S TRUE.
• 14:58 COMPARE AND EQUAL POPULATION IN >>ISRAEL WITH YOU POPULATION, >>YOU'LL FIND YOU'RE SAFER THERE.
• 15:04 IT'S JUST A BEAUTIFUL THING FOR >>CHRISTIAN PEOPLE TO DO.
• 15:08 IT'S A GRAND WITNESS. COME ON ONE OF OUR TOURS.
• 15:11 WE TALKED WITH DORE GOLD AT SOME LENGTH BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF THE >>OSLO NEGOTIATORS.
• 15:18 HE SAT DOWN WITH THE UNENVIABLE TASK OF TRYING TO HAMMER OUT A >>PEACE TREATY WITH THE ARABS
• 15:25 WHO CALL THEMSELVES PALESTINIANS.
• 15:27 WE STARTED BY ASKING HIM HOW IT >>WAS TO DEAL DIRECTLY WITH YASSER ARAFAT.
• 15:33 ARAFAT WAS A TREMENDOUS MYSTERY >>FOR ME WHEN I FIRST MET HIM
• 15:37 BECAUSE I SAT ACROSS THE TABLE FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS JUST >>MAKING UP STORIES,
• 15:43 MAKING UP TOTAL FABRICATIONS AND I WALKED AWAY FROM THE MEETING THINKING,
• 15:47 HOW DID THIS GUY BECOME A WORLD LEADER THAT COULD WALK INTO THE >>ELYSEE PALACE IN FRANCE,
• 15:53 HAVE THE RED CARPET ROLLED OUT TO HIM.
• 15:56 HOW COME HE WASN'T THROWN DOWN THE STAIRS?
• 15:57 IT TURNS OUT, ISRAEL FINALLY FOUND THE DOCUMENTS WHICH PROVED THAT
• 16:02 WHEN ISRAELI FORCES IN OPERATION DEFENSIVE SHIELD WENT INTO HIS HEADQUARTERS.
• 16:06 FOR EXAMPLE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AUTHORIZATIONS FOR PAYMENT, IN ARABIC, TO TANZIM,
• 16:14 THAT'S MILITIA FATAH ORGANIZATION TO TANZIM OPERATIVES
• 16:18 WHO ARE INVOLVED IN PREPARING SUICIDE BOMBINGS.
• 16:21 YOU HAVE A REQUEST BY >>MARWAN BARGUTI THAT EACH SHOULD >>BE PAID $2,000 OR $1,000
• 16:26 AND ARAFAT SAYS NO, $600 AND SIGNS IT, YASSER ARAFAT, IN ARABIC.
• 16:31 SO WE HAVE PAYMENT TO SUICIDE BOMBERS BY YASSER ARAFAT
• 16:36 WHICH WE CAN AUTHENTICATE IN HIS OWN HANDWRITING.
• 16:38 EVEN BARGAINING. >>BARGAINING.
• 16:39 SO HOW CAN ANYONE EXPECT THAT >>ANYBODY WHO AUTHORIZES SUICIDE >>BOMBERS AGAINST ISRAEL
• 16:46 IS GOING TO MAKE PEACE WITH ISRAEL OR DISMANTLE HAMAS-ISLAMIC JIHAD
• 16:51 OR HIS OWN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
• 16:53 IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. >>JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
• 16:57 IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
• 16:58 OKAY, I WANT TO ASK A WIDE-OPEN QUESTION,
• 17:02 WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT'S HARDLY A FAIR QUESTION.
• 17:05 WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON NOW, WHICH WAY'S THE GOVERNMENT GOING,
• 17:09 WHAT'S THE FEEL FOR THE FUTURE?
• 17:10 ISRAEL IS A COUNTRY THAT IS COMMITTED TO PEACE.
• 17:13 PEACE IS A STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE >>FOR ISRAEL.
• 17:15 THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE REACH PEACE?
• 17:16 THE BEST WAY, IF WE COULD SIT >>WITH THE PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP
• 17:20 THAT HAD A SENSE OF FAIR PLAY AND COMPROMISE,
• 17:22 AND WE WOULD SIT ACROSS THE >>TABLE AND REACH A COMPROMISE AND >>WE'D SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE,
• 17:28 WHATEVER IT IS AND WE WALK AWAY >>AND ANNOUNCE OUR ACHIEVEMENT.
• 17:33 THAT'S PROBABLY THE HOPE OF MANY ISRAELIS.
• 17:35 SAME TIME, IT'S MORE REALISTIC >>TO EXPECT THAT CONFLICTS OF THIS SORT
• 17:40 ARE PROBABLY RESOLVED IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
• 17:42 OFTEN TIMES THE PARTIES IN A >>CONFLICT OF THIS SORT EXCEPT A CERTAIN MODES OF VENUE EMERGES
• 17:49 AND THAT MODES OF VENUE LATER ENSHRINED BY LAWYERS AS A PEACE AGREEMENT.
• 17:54 BUT, WHETHER WE CAN ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE THE PEACE, WHICH IS PREFERABLE
• 17:58 OR WHETHER WE HAVE TO EXCEPT A >>MODES OF VENUE, I'M NOT SURE.
• 18:00 I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A MORE >>REALISTIC OUTLOOK AT HOW HARD >>ETHNIC CONFLICTS ARE RESOLVED.
• 18:05 THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS WHAT IS THE END GAME?
• 18:09 YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IS ABSOLUTELY >>SURE THERE IS GOING TO BE A PALESTINIAN STATE.
• 18:13 IS ANYONE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN >>THAT BOSNIA IS GOING TO REMAIN >>ONE COUNTRY?
• 18:17 THAT THE CROATS, THE MUSLIMS >>AND THE SERBS DON'T SPLIT APART
• 18:19 AND JOIN DIFFERENT EXISTING STATES PARTICULARLY THE CROATS AND THE SERBS.
• 18:24 IS ANYONE CERTAIN THAT KOSOVO >>WILL BECOME INDEPENDENT, OR BE REINCORPORATED INTO YUGOSLAVIA?
• 18:31 NOBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS. >>NO.
• 18:32 NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO CYPRESS,
• 18:34 DIVIDED BETWEEN TURKS AND GREEKS OR WILL IT STAY A UNITED ENTITY.
• 18:41 NOBODY KNOWS.
• 18:42 SO, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN >>STATE WITH CERTAINTY WHAT IN 20 YEARS IS GOING TO EMERGE HERE.
• 18:46 WHAT HAS TO EMERGE IS THAT ISRAEL HAS TO BE SAFE AND SECURE,
• 18:49 PALESTINIANS HAVE TO HAVE POLITICAL RIGHTS THAT ARE PROTECTED
• 18:52 AND WHERE THE BORDERS LIE AND WHAT ARE THE CONTOURS OF THE SETTLEMENT.
• 18:57 WHAT'S THE ROLL OF JORDAN IN THE FUTURE?
• 18:59 THAT'S UP FOR QUESTION.
• 19:01 SINCE YOU BRING UP JORDAN, THERE ARE PLANS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE
• 19:06 TO TRANSFER OR MAKE SOME ARRANGEMENT WITH JORDAN.
• 19:09 THEY SAY IT REALLY WAS THE PALESTINIANS STATE, THAT WAS THE INTENTION TO START WITH
• 19:14 AND EVERYBODY WILL BE BETTER OFF AND HAPPIER IF THE PALESTINIANS >>HERE WOULD VOLUNTEER
• 19:19 TO MOVE ACROSS THE RIVER AND LET ISRAEL BE HERE AND LET THEM BE THERE
• 19:23 UNLESS THEY SIGN UP FOR REAL >>ALLEGIANCE TO ISRAEL SINCERELY.
• 19:28 I PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE IN TRANSFER.
• 19:31 I THINK IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS IDEA TO PUT FORWARD
• 19:34 BECAUSE WHAT MIGHT SEEM AS A >>NEGOTIATED TRANSFER COULD END UP >>BEING A FORCED TRANSFER
• 19:39 AND WE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
• 19:40 BUT WHAT IS TRUE IS THAT WHATEVER PALESTINIAN STATE EMERGES OR ENTITY EMERGES
• 19:46 IN THE WEST BANK AND GAZA CANNOT >>HAVE THE FULL SOVEREIGNTY THE PALESTINIANS ARE EXPECTING.
• 19:53 EXAMPLE, TODAY IT TAKES, FOR A FIGHTER PLANE LIKE A SUHOI 24
• 20:01 TO FLY FROM THE JORDAN RIVER >>TO THE MEDITERRANEAN, 3 MINUTES.
• 20:07 3 MINUTES TO COVER THE WHOLE WEST BANK AND ISRAEL.
• 20:10 NOW IT TAKES A MINIMUM OF 2, >>MAYBE 3 MINUTES TO PREPARE FOR >>ADEQUATE AIR DEFENSE
• 20:15 SO YOU'RE GOING TO CUT >>ISRAEL'S 3 MINUTE WARNING TIME >>DOWN TO LESS,
• 20:20 SO THEY CAN'T EVEN PROVIDE AN AIR DEFENSE,
• 20:21 THAT'S WHY EVERY ISRAELI AIR FORCE COMMANDER
• 20:24 HAS SAID THAT ISRAEL MUST HAVE CONTROL OVER THE AIR SPACE OVER >>THE WEST BANK
• 20:28 EVEN IF A STATE EMERGES THERE >>OR SOME OTHER POLITICAL ENTITY.
• 20:32 NOW, THAT MEANS THAT THE PALESTINIANS CAN PROBABLY EXPRESS
• 20:35 THEIR FULL NATIONAL ASPIRATIONS IN THE CONTEXT OF JORDAN WHERE >>THEY ARE A MAJORITY.
• 20:41 IT HAS TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT PROTECTS THE JORDANIAN KINGDOM
• 20:45 WHICH HAS BEEN A GOOD FRIEND TO THE UNITED STATES AND FRIENDLY TO ISRAEL.
• 20:50 BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT IN THE LONG >>TERM OF THE FUTURE,
• 20:54 THE REINTEGRATION OF THE PALESTINIANS IN THE WEST BANK
• 20:57 TO A JORDANIAN POLITICAL ENTITY >>SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE,
• 21:01 BUT, THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN IF THE >>JORDANIANS WANT IT TO HAPPEN
• 21:04 AND SEE IF THAT IS THE ROAD IN >>WHICH HISTORY IS MOVING.
• 21:08 THE COMPROMISE YOU PUT FORWARD, >>GRANTING THE PALESTINIANS TERRITORY TO MAKE A STATE,
• 21:16 AREN'T YOU AFRAID THAT THE SAME >>POLICIES WILL GO ON
• 21:20 AND IN FACT THEY WILL HAVE A WAY TO IMPORT WEAPONS AND SOLDIERS >>AND SO ON,
• 21:23 ONTO SOVEREIGN TERRITORY THEY NOW CONTROL, IF YOU GIVE THEM LAND IN THE WEST BANK?
• 21:27 MY ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT ANY ARRANGEMENT THAT WE MAKE WITH THE PALESTINIANS,
• 21:32 WITH RESPECT TO THE GOVERNMENTAL >>POWERS THEY HAVE OR THE TERRITORY THEY HAVE,
• 21:37 HAS TO BE DONE, TAKING INTO >>ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT THEY COULD >>VIOLATE THE AGREEMENT.
• 21:42 I MEAN, THE LAST, THE 10 YEARS OF OSLO,
• 21:44 WHEN HAVE THEY NOT VIOLATED IT?
• 21:46 10 YEARS OF OSLO EXACTLY PROVED THAT,
• 21:47 THAT WE ENDED UP WITH A >>FUNDAMENTAL MATERIAL BREACH OF >>THE MILITARY CLAUSES OF OSLO.
• 21:55 THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 30,000 POLICEMEN, THEY HAVE OVER 50,000.
• 21:58 THEY ARE TO HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF SECURITY SERVICES, >>THEY HAVE 10 SECURITY SERVICES.
• 22:01 YOU CAN SEE WITH THE KARINE-A THEY TRIED TO IMPORT HERE KATYUSHA ROCKETS,
• 22:08 THE SHIP,
• 22:08 THE SHIP THAT ISRAEL INTERCEPTED IN THE RED SEA. >>THE
• 22:09 KANE-A.
• 22:12 THEY TRIED TO INPORT KATYUSHA ROCKETS,
• 22:14 CENTEX EXPLOSIVES THAT WASN'T FOR OPENING STOVE QUARRIES.
• 22:17 THEY WERE PLANNING TO, THEY VIOLATED ALL OF THEIR AGREEMENTS,
• 22:24 THEREFORE, I THINK WHAT ISRAEL >>HAS TO HAVE IS AN ARRANGEMENT
• 22:27 WHERE IT CONTROLS IT CONTROLS THE INTERNATIONAL PASSAGES.
• 22:29 YOU CAN'T HAVE A PALESTINIAN STATE THAT IS CONTIGUOUS WITH JORDAN, FOR EXAMPLE,
• 22:34 WHICH WOULD ALLOW ALL OF THAT SMUGGLED WEAPONRY THAT EXISTS IN WESTERN IRAQ,
• 22:39 SYRIA, NORTHERN SAUDI ARABIA, ALL TO BE FUNNELED INTO THIS TERRITORY.
• 22:45 WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN VERY FIRM CONTROL THERE.
• 22:48 OUR SECURITY IS AT STAKE.
• 22:49 WE HAVE TO ALSO NOT BE IN A POSITION WHERE A PALESTINIAN SNIPER
• 22:52 COULD JUST TAKE A KALASHNIKOV RIFLE AND STRIKE AT THE TEL AVIV-HAIFA HIGHWAY
• 23:01 WHICH IS WHY PRIME MINISTER SHARON HAS INSISTED THAT ALFEI MENASHE,
• 23:04 A SETTLEMENT IN WESTERN SAMARIA WHERE THAT LINE OF SITE EXISTS >>REMAIN IN ISRAELI HANDS.
• 23:11 SO IF WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE IN OSLO,
• 23:16 AND WE LEARNED SPECIFIC LESSONS >>FROM THOSE MISTAKES,
• 23:18 WE CAN FASHION A POLITICAL SETTLEMENT THAT IS SAFE FOR ISRAEL.
• 23:21 BUT, IF WE JUST RUN AHEAD WITHOUT REMEMBERING ALL THE FAULTS
• 23:24 AND MISTAKES THAT OCCURRED, WE CAN POSE A GREAT DANGER FOR ISRAEL.
• 23:29 SINCE YOU WROTE ON SAUDI ARABIA, >>AND THEY ARE THE PURVEYORS OF WAHABISM,
• 23:35 WHICH YOU HAVE ALSO EXAMINED, >>AND THEY SUPPORT THE PALESTINIAN >>CAUSE, APPARENTLY,
• 23:43 THEY ARE LOUD ABOUT IT, WON'T THEY ALWAYS BE SAYING,
• 23:47 NOW LOOK, WE HAVE THE OIL AND THEY'RE OUR COUSINS, WE WANT THEM TO GET AN EVEN BREAK,
• 23:51 IS THERE NOT A TENSION HERE, A CONFLICT BETWEEN THEIR INTEREST
• 23:57 AND THOSE OF THE UNITED STATES >>AND ISRAEL?
• 23:58 I THINK THE CONFLICT IS EVEN BROADER BECAUSE THE WAHABIS INTRODUCED OR REINTRODUCED
• 24:06 THE IDEA OF JIHAD, HOLY WAR, AGAINST THE INFIDELS,
• 24:09 THAT'S THE KUFAR AND THEY REGARD >>CHRISTIANS, JEWS, HINDUS AS INFIDELS.
• 24:14 THEY REGARD MUSLIMS THAT DON'T >>SUBSCRIBE TO THEIR PARTICULAR VIEW OF ISLAM AS INFIDELS.
• 24:21 THEY'VE HISTORICALLY WAGED WARS AGAINST THEM, EVEN AGAINST THE >>SHIITE MUSLIMS.
• 24:26 THEREFORE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WHEN THEIR IDEOLOGY IS SPREAD GLOBALLY.
• 24:31 I CAN TELL YOU THIS, I WENT, >>SAT WITH ONE OF MY EXPERTS AND >>WENT TO HAMAS' WEBSITE.
• 24:37 WE WANTED TO SEE WHO WERE THE CLERICS THAT THE HAMAS WERE LOOKING TO,
• 24:43 TO JUSTIFY SUICIDE BOMBINGS >>AGAINST ISRAEL AND THE MAJORITY >>WERE SAUDI CLERICS.
• 24:48 SAME IS TRUE FOR THE MUJAHIDIN THAT HAVE BEEN FIGHTING AGAINST THE U.S. ARMY IN WESTERN IRAQ.
• 24:55 THEIR WEBSITE HAS SAUDI CLERICS >>ALL OVER IT.
• 24:57 SO WE HAVE 2 PROBLEMS IN SAUDI ARABIA.
• 25:00 ONE IS THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED >>THE IDEOLOGICAL JUSTIFICATION
• 25:04 FOR THE NEW GLOBAL TERRORISM THAT WE ARE ALL FACING.
• 25:07 TWO, THEY HAVE BEEN FINANCING IT.
• 25:09 IF WE WANT TO CREATE A STABLE MIDDLE EAST OF THE FUTURE,
• 25:12 WE CAN WORK WITH THE SAUDI ROYAL >>FAMILY, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM STILL IN POWER
• 25:16 BUT, THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR POLICIES AND THEY HAVE TO CHANGE >>THEM QUICKLY.
• 25:19 MANY TIMES YOU WILL SEE SPOKESMEN IN THE WORLD OF THE U.N. PARTICULARLY,
• 25:23 SAYING, THERE'S A "CYCLE OF VIOLENCE",
• 25:26 OH YES,THE CYCLE HAS NO BEGINNING, IT HAS NO END.
• 25:28 IT JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON AND IT HAS ISRAELIS EQUALLY GUILTY TO PALESTINIANS.
• 25:34 IF THAT IS THE APPROACH YOU TAKE >>AND YOU ACCEPT THAT APPROACH, THE "CYCLE OF VIOLENCE",
• 25:39 THEN YOU CAN'T IDENTIFY WHO IS THE AGGRESSOR, WHO IS THE DEFENDER
• 25:42 THEN YOU LOSE YOUR MORAL EDGE AND YOU ARE NEVER ABLE TO WIN THE WAR ON TERRORISM.
• 26:00 LET'S FACE IT, THE U.S. IS A ROOKIE AT FIGHTING TERRORISM.
• 26:04 WE HAVE THE SO-CALLED WAR ON TERRORISM, THAT'S JUST A WASHINGTON EXPRESSION.
• 26:09 THE ISRAELIS HAVE A REAL WAR ON TERRORISM.
• 26:11 WE'RE NOT REALLY CHASING TERRORISTS ANY PLACE THAT I CAN SEE.
• 26:13 WE'RE NOT GETTING OUR WORST ENEMIES, SAUDI ARABIA, IRAN, SYRIA, LIBYA, SUDAN, PLO,
• 26:22 WE'RE NOT EVEN DEALING WITH THEM.
• 26:23 WE'RE PRETENDING THAT SAUDI ARABIA IS OUR FRIEND AND NOT PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE,
• 26:32 WHICH IS KIND OF A JOKE.
• 26:34 WELL, ISRAEL WILL NOT LOSE IT'S MORAL EDGE, THAT'S THE MAIN THING.
• 26:38 READ YOUR BIBLE AND YOU WILL SEE THAT.
• 26:40 IT WILL HOLD THIS LAND. >>IT WILL WIN ALL OF THESE WARS.
• 26:43 IT WILL SURVIVE TO THE KINGDOM AND BEYOND IN ETERNITY WHEN GOD >>WILL MAKE A NEW JERUSALEM.
• 26:49 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, >>PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.