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Caption transcript for The Crusaders: “The Old New Land” (2/8)

• 00:06 IN 1095 POPE URBAN THE SECOND DECREED THAT THE CENTER >>OF THE KNOWN WORLD, JERUSALEM,
• 00:13 SHOULD BE FREED FROM MUSLIM CONTROL.
• 00:16 SPURRED BY RELIGIOUS FERVOR, >>WARRIORS MARCHED UNABATED ACROSS >>EUROPE TOWARDS THE HOLY LAND,
• 00:22 LEAVING DEATH AND DEVASTATION IN THEIR WAKE.
• 00:25 IN THE END, UPWARDS OF 30,000 >>MUSLIMS AND JEWS WERE MASSACRED >>IN JERUSALEM ALONE.
• 00:32 THIS WAS CALLED "A HOLY WAR". >>THESE WERE THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:42 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:43 WELCOME BACK TO OUR CRUSADERS SERIES.
• 00:46 WE'RE TALKING BASICALLY ABOUT THE THREE MAJOR CRUSADES.
• 00:50 THERE WERE SOMETHING LIKE EIGHT CRUSADES
• 00:52 AND ONE OF THEM EVEN A CHILDREN'S CRUSADE, VERY, VERY SAD.
• 00:54 PEOPLE JUST SENT OFF YOUNGSTERS TO THE HOLY LAND TRYING TO WREST >>IT FROM THE MUSLIMS
• 01:01 AND OF COURSE THEY WERE DECIMATED.
• 01:03 RATHER LIKE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE >>SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO DIE IN A HOPELESS CAUSE.
• 01:08 WE'LL ALSO GO BACK TO SENIOR ADVISOR RA'ANAN GISSIN
• 01:12 WHO ADVISES ARIEL SHARON, THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL.
• 01:17 AT THIS MOMENT WE'LL GO TO CAESAREA.
• 01:19 THIS IS WHERE THE CRUSADERS BUILT A MIGHTY CASTLE AND HAD A HEADQUARTERS
• 01:25 AND WE'RE GOING TO GO INSIDE SOME OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION.
• 01:28 SO NOW TO THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST OF ISRAEL AND CAESAREA.
• 01:36 IT IS JUST ABSOLUTELY AMAZING >>TO SEE WHAT THE CRUSADERS BUILT >>HERE IN ISRAEL.
• 01:41 THIS IS, OF COURSE, CAESAREA AND IT'S ON THE COAST OF THE MEDITERRANEAN
• 01:46 AND OTHER DWELLINGS HERE BY MORE >>NATIVE PEOPLES WERE SIMPLER,
• 01:51 WITH PALM ROOFS AND THIS SORT OF THINGS.
• 01:53 THEY BUILT THESE HEAVY STONE CASTLES
• 01:55 THE SAME AS THEY BUILT THEM >>IN ENGLAND, FRANCE OR GERMANY.
• 01:58 THESE KNIGHTS, FROM UP NORTH, >>AS IF THEY HAD TO EXPECT SEVERE WINTERS AND BUILT THEM TO LAST.
• 02:06 THIS IS GOING TO STAND HERE, I SUPPOSE, UNTIL THE END OF TIME.
• 02:10 THE TOWN ITSELF HAS A VERY INTERESTING HISTORY TO WESTERNERS EVERYWHERE,
• 02:17 GENTILE PEOPLE, BECAUSE THE >>FIRST GENTILE OF THE CHURCH AGE >>WAS SAVED HERE AT CAESAREA.
• 02:22 THIS IS WHERE PETER CAME FROM JOPPA TO VISIT CORNELIUS WHO WAS A ROMAN OFFICER
• 02:30 AND HIS VERY UNIT IS GIVEN IN ACTS 10:1.
• 02:34 HE'S OF THE ITALIAN BAND, IT SAYS,
• 02:36 BUT HE WAS A CONVERT TO JUDAISM AND PETER SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT THE >>MORE EXCELLENT WAY
• 02:42 AND SO HE CAME TO FAITH IN CHRIST, HE AND IS HOUSEHOLD,
• 02:46 THE FIRST ROMANS OR WHITE EUROPEANS TO COME TO THE FAITH IN CHRIST.
• 02:53 THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT PETER'S SERMON
• 02:54 IS WHEN HE PERCEIVES THAT THESE EUROPEANS ARE HEARING THE GOSPEL >>AND ARE BECOMING SAVED
• 03:03 AND ARE EXHIBITING THE GIFTS THAT HE SAW AT PENTECOST,
• 03:11 WELL,THAT VERSE IS USED TO LET >>THE BLACK COME TO CHURCH, >>LET THE HISPANIC COME TO CHURCH,
• 03:18 GOD FORBID, LET THE JEWS COME CHURCH.
• 03:20 IT'S FUNNY, BUT IT WAS USED >>THE FIRST TIME HERE AT CAESAREA
• 03:22 TO LET THE WHITE GENTILES COME TO CHURCH, THE EUROPEANS WHO WERE HERE.
• 03:29 THE PLACE WENT ON AS A CHRISTIAN CITY. THE BYZANTINES CAME HERE.
• 03:33 THEY WERE THE CHRISTIANS FROM THE EASTERN EMPIRE FROM CONSTANTINOPLE
• 03:38 WHICH BECAME ISTANBUL IN TURKEY.
• 03:40 THEY FOUGHT WITH THE SAMARITANS >>OVER THIS PLACE IN 555 A.D.,
• 03:46 A TREMENDOUS WAR WITH THE SAMARITANS.
• 03:49 THEN THE ARABS RODE IN FROM SAUDI ARABIA.
• 03:52 THEY CAME TO THE HOLY LAND IN 634, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
• 03:55 CAESAREA WAS DEFENDED PRETTY WELL AND IT TOOK THEM AWHILE TO TAKE IT.
• 04:00 THE BYZANTINE NAVY, THEY HAD SHIPS OUT IN THE HARBOR PROTECTING THE THING.
• 04:04 IT TOOK UNTIL 638, BUT THE CITY WAS FINALLY CONQUERED BY MUSLIMS.
• 04:10 THAT'S WHAT EVIDENTLY SOME 400 OR SO YEARS LATER BROUGHT >>THE CRUSADERS IN THIS DIRECTION.
• 04:17 THE IDEA THAT MUSLIMS AND JEWS >>WERE IN THE HOLY LAND, BUT SO FEW CHRISTIANS
• 04:23 AND THEY WANTED TO CAPTURE THE >>PLACE FOR THE CHRISTIANS
• 04:26 AND THEY ATTACKED HERE AT CAESAREA AT 1101.
• 04:30 THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST ATTACKS >>IN THE CRUSADES.
• 04:33 AS SOON AS THEY RODE UP AND KING BALDWIN I AND HIS TROOPS
• 04:38 FOUND A CUP IN A MOSQUE HERE AND CALLED IT THE HOLY GRAIL.
• 04:44 THIS A PREPOSTEROUS IDEA THAT IT'S THE CUP THAT JESUS USED
• 04:49 IN THE LAST SUPPER AT THE PASSOVER TABLE
• 04:51 WHEN HE SAID THIS MY CUP OF THE NEW TESTAMENT SHED FOR THE MANY >>FOR REMISSION OF SINS.
• 04:57 IT'S HOW WE ESTABLISH WHAT YOU >>CALL A TOTEM OR AN IDOL OF SOME KIND
• 05:02 AND OF COURSE THE FINDING OF >>THE HOLY GRAIL AND THE FIGHTING >>OVER IT WENT ON.
• 05:07 IT WENT BACK TO GENOA ITALY, >>BUT DOWN HERE IN THE HOLY LAND, THE THING WAS FOUND IN A MOSQUE.
• 05:15 IT WAS EVIDENTLY A MUSLIM GOBLET >>AND THE MUSLIMS WERE STILL STRONG HERE
• 05:21 AND THE CRUSADERS HAD A VERY LONG SUPPLY LINE
• 05:23 AND FINALLY SALADIN, THE ARAB >>CONQUEROR TOOK CESAREA IN 1187
• 05:29 AND THERE CAME ONE OF THESE >>TREMENDOUS MASSACRES WHERE THE >>CHRISTIANS WERE KILLED,
• 05:34 THE SOLDIERS, THE WOMEN, THE CHILDREN, EVERYBODY WIPED OUT BY THE MUSLIMS BACK THEN.
• 05:39 THEN IT CHANGES HANDS STILL >>AGAIN, LOUIS IX OF FRANCE CAME.
• 05:46 HE ASKED TO RESTORE THESE WALLS.
• 05:48 THEY WERE RESTORED AND THE >>CASTLE REFURBISHED AND DEFENSE >>SET UP IN 1251,
• 05:55 BUT HE LOST IT TO THE MAMLUKS ABOUT 15 YEARS LATER,
• 05:57 EGYPTIANS MUSLIM WHO CAME HERE >>AND THE GENERATION AFTER THAT DECLARED THAT CAESAREA,
• 06:04 THIS GLORIOUS CITY, THE FIRST SITE OF GENTILE SALVATION IN THE CHURCH AGE,
• 06:11 ROMAN CAPITAL, A DEEP HARBOR, A MAGNIFICENT MODERN, ALMOST >>CULTURAL CENTER HERE IN ISRAEL
• 06:20 TO BE DESTROYED AND IT WAS DESTROYED AND IT IS DESTROYED UNTIL THIS DAY.
• 06:36 THUS SAYETH THE LORD GOD, I SHALL GATHER YOU FROM THE PEOPLES
• 06:41 AND ASSEMBLE YOU OUT OF THE COUNTRIES WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN SCATTERED
• 06:45 AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
• 06:46 THE WILDERNESS AND THE DRY LAND SHALL BE GLAD, THE DESERT SHALL REJOICE AND BLOSSOM AS THE ROSE.
• 06:54 YOU SHALL KNOW THAT I AM THE >>LORD WHEN I BRING YOU INTO THE >>LAND OF ISRAEL.
• 07:03 WELL, THOSE ARE OUR TOURS AND THEY ALWAYS VISIT CAESAREA.
• 07:06 THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CITY IN CHRISTIANITY,
• 07:09 THE FIRST GENTILE OF THE CHURCH >>AGE WAS SAVED AT CAESAREA,
• 07:13 IN ACTS 10 YOU READ ABOUT CORNELIUS, A ROMAN OFFICER
• 07:15 AND PETER WHO VISITED HIM AND BROUGHT HIM AND HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO THE LORD.
• 07:20 IT'S A MODERN CITY SURROUNDED >>WITH ANCIENT RUINS WHICH IS TRUE >>OF ALL ISRAEL,
• 07:26 BEAUTIFUL 21ST CENTURY NATION >>WITH 4000 - 5000 YEAR OLD RUINS >>IN ALL DIRECTIONS.
• 07:34 WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND TALK WITH RA'ANAN GISSIN WHO WE TALKED TO LAST WEEK.
• 07:38 HE IS ADVISOR TO ARIEL SHARON AND HE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS PHENOMENON
• 07:46 OF MODERN DEMOCRACY WITH AN ANCIENT PAST.
• 07:49 I WOULD CHARACTERIZE ISRAEL WITH 3 TERMS ATTACHED TO THE WORD DEMOCRACY:
• 07:55 A SHOUTING DEMOCRACY, A CANTANKEROUS DEMOCRACY AND AN EMBATTLED ONE,
• 08:01 BECAUSE WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TO DEFEND THOSE VALUES WHICH IN SOME PLACES IN THE WORLD,
• 08:06 I MUST SAY, UNTIL SEPT. 11, WERE TAKEN FOR GRANTED.
• 08:09 WHERE AS TODAY, I THINK THE REST OF THE WORLD UNDERSTANDS
• 08:11 AND THANK GOD THERE IS A LEADER >>OF THE FREE WORLD NAMED PRES. GEORGE W. BUSH
• 08:18 THAT IS LEADING THE BATTLE AGAINST, FOR DEMOCRACY,
• 08:21 THAT IS STATING IT IN VERY CLEAR TERMS, LISTEN FELLOWS, IF YOU WANT DEMOCRACY,
• 08:26 IF YOU WANT LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, >>YOU GOT TO STAND AND DEFEND IT.
• 08:31 IT DOESN'T COME FOR FREE.
• 08:32 WELL, ALL RIGHT, YOU HAVE ARABS >>IN THE LAND, PALESTINIANS, THEY STYLE THEMSELVES
• 08:39 AND THEY DON'T HAVE DEMOCRACY, >>NOTHING CLOSE TO IT.
• 08:43 CAN'T THEY JUST LOOK ACROSS THE >>STREET AND SAY TO THEMSELVES,
• 08:47 THE ISRAELI SOCIETY IS BETTER, >>FREER, MORE PRODUCTIVE, THE KIDS ARE HAPPIER,
• 08:54 THE SCHOOLS ARE BETTER, >>THEY'RE NOT KILLING EACH OTHER >>OR ANYONE ELSE.
• 08:58 CAN'T THEY SEE IT AND CAN'T THEY >>MAKE IT HAPPEN.
• 09:01 I BELIEVE THAT THE PALESTINIAN >>SOCIETY HAS THE PROSPECT OF BECOMING A REAL DEMOCRACY
• 09:07 MAINLY BECAUSE OF THIS SO-CALLED "OCCUPATION", I CALL IT,
• 09:12 AND THE CONTACT THEY CAME WITH ISRAEL.
• 09:14 BUT ALAS, THERE IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY WERE STANDING CROSS-PRESSURES.
• 09:19 ON THE ONE HAND THE PRESSURE TO DEMOCRATIZE,
• 09:22 TO BE LIKE YOUR ISRAELI COUNTERPART, TO HAVE THE SAME FREEDOM.
• 09:25 AT THE SAME TIME, THE SHACKLE OF ISLAM, THE SHACKLE OF TRADITION
• 09:30 WHICH ARE PUSHING THEM BACKWARDS AND YOU CAN SEE THAT FIGHTING TODAY
• 09:35 WHEN THE PALESTINIAN SOCIETY IS >>ACTUALLY TORN BETWEEN
• 09:38 THIS QUEST FOR DEVELOPING THIS CULTURAL HATE THAT BREEDS THOSE >>SUICIDE BOMBERS
• 09:47 ON THE ONE HAND AND ON THE OTHER HAND,
• 09:48 THE EFFORT OF SOME OF THOSE >>PEOPLE TO MOVE THE PALESTINIAN SOCIETY IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION
• 09:53 AND THIS CONSTANT BATTLE >>BETWEEN THESE FORCES, YOU KNOW,
• 09:57 IS REALLY PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE AND IN SOME PLACE,
• 10:00 EVEN TEARING APART THE PALESTINIAN SOCIETY.
• 10:02 IT'S SOMEWHAT A MICROCOSM OF WHAT'S GOING AND THE BIGGER ISSUES WITH AMERICA IN IRAQ
• 10:08 AND AFGHANISTAN AND SO ON, DEMOCRACY MEETS OLD FASHIONED DICTATORSHIPS.
• 10:15 WHEN WE ARE SAYING THAT THESE SOCIETIES, THE IRAQI SOCIETY
• 10:19 WHICH ALSO HAS A POTENTIAL OF EMERGING AS A DEMOCRACY,
• 10:22 THE IRANIAN SOCIETY OR THE PALESTINIAN SOCIETY,
• 10:25 HAVE TO EXORCISE TERRORISM FROM WITHIN THE BODY OF THEIR SOCIETY.
• 10:30 IT'S NOT FOR OUR SAKE ONLY, YES, TERRORISM IS A THREAT TO WESTERN SOCIETY.
• 10:36 TERRORISM IS A THREAT TO OUR WAY OF LIFE,
• 10:38 BUT IT'S A GREATER THREAT TO >>THEIR PROSPECTS TO MOVE FORWARD >>TO A DIFFERENT FUTURE
• 10:44 BECAUSE THE TERRORISM EATS THEIR SOCIETY FROM WITHIN.
• 10:48 EVENTUALLY CIVIL SOCIETY DETERIORATES THERE
• 10:50 AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A GROUP OF YANKS, YOU KNOW, FIGHTING EACH OTHER
• 10:54 LIKE YOU HAD IN LEBANON IN THE 70'S AND 80'S.
• 10:57 YOU HAD A PERFECT LABORATORY IN >>THE 80'S IN LEBANON.
• 11:01 YES, SURE DID.
• 11:01 WHICH FORCED US THEN TO GO FIGHT TERRORISM THERE BECAUSE LEBANON >>DETERIORATED
• 11:07 MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE EFFECT THAT THE PALESTINIAN TERRORIST GROUPS
• 11:11 HAD THERE ON THE OVER ALL BALANCE OF FORCES BETWEEN CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIM
• 11:15 AND THE CIVIL WAR THAT WAS GOING >>ON WHICH THE PALESTINIANS FUELED IT.
• 11:20 IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD EXPLANATION OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
• 11:24 WE'RE AT A POINT WITH THIS ROADMAP, IF IT'S STILL ON ANYBODY'S DASHBOARD,
• 11:31 IT SEEMS ALMOST AT AN END AND WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
• 11:36 YOU'RE R IGHT AT THE CENTER OF THIS.
• 11:38 IT'S INTERESTING THAT EVERY TIME >>THEY SAY THE ROADMAP IS DEAD,
• 11:43 WE TRY A NEW AVENUE AND A NEW APPROACH.
• 11:45 THIS COMES BECAUSE A VERY >>IMPORTANT HISTORICAL ANTECEDENT >>THAT MUST BE UNDERSTOOD
• 11:50 IF YOU ARE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIMENSIONS OF THIS CONFLICT >>BETWEEN US AND THE ARAB WORLD.
• 11:56 FOR US, PEACE IS A NATURAL CHOICE.
• 11:58 IT'S PART AND PARCEL OF OUR CULTURE.
• 12:00 THEY SAY PART AND PARCEL OF OUR RELIGION.
• 12:03 OUR PRAYER BOOK CONCLUDES, PRAYING FOR PEACE EVERY DAY.
• 12:07 SO, WE'RE ALMOST BORN WITH THE WORD "PEACE".
• 12:10 ONE MILLION STUDENTS THAT ENTERED THE CLASSROOM THIS YEAR IN SEPTEMBER
• 12:17 AND OUT OF THEM ABOUT HALF A MILLION STUDENTS WHO ENTERED FIRST GRADE.
• 12:23 THE FIRST WORD THE SEE ONTHE BLACKBOARD IS "SHALOM".
• 12:27 PEACE AND SHALOM WHICH IS ALSO HELLO.
• 12:30 THAT'S THE FIRST WORD THEY >>LEARN, THEY LEARN HOW TO WRITE.
• 12:33 IS THIS THE WORD THEY LEARN IN >>PALESTINIAN SCHOOLS? I DOUBT IT.
• 12:37 SO FOR US, PEACE IS A NATURAL CHOICE.
• 12:39 FOR THESE ARAB SOCIETIES, WHICH ARE REALLY DON'T HAVE A DEMOCRATIC TRADITION
• 12:44 AND DON'T HAVE A TRADITION WHERE THE PEOPLE GOVERN THEIR OWN LIFE.
• 12:48 THE RULERS OF THESE COUNTRIES WILL ACCEPT PEACE ONLY BY DEFAULT,
• 12:55 IN OTHER WORDS, PEACE COMES BY >>DEFAULT AFTER WAR HAS FAILED
• 12:59 AND IF THE CONTINUATION OF >>VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM IS ABOUT >>TO BRING ABOUT THEIR DEMISE,
• 13:07 THEN THEY WILL OPT FOR PEACE.
• 13:08 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN '91 WHEN THE UNITED STATES WON THE GULF WAR.
• 13:11 THEY CAME TO THE MADRID CONFERENCE BY DEFAULT, NOT BY CHOICE.
• 13:16 FOR US IT ALWAYS BY CHOICE.
• 13:17 THEREFORE WHEN SOMEONE TELLS YOU, WELL THE ROADMAP IS DEAD >>BECAUSE THE ISRAELI KILLED IT.
• 13:21 WE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO REVIVE THE ROADMAP TO PEACE.
• 13:27 BY THE WAY, WE DON'T NEED A MAP >>TO THE ROAD TO PEACE. WE KNOW THE ROAD TO PEACE.
• 13:33 IT'S THE OTHER SIDE, THE MAP WAS INTENDED FOR THE OTHER SIDE
• 13:37 AND THE MAP MEANS STAGES BY WHICH YOU FULFILL THE PEACE PROCESS.
• 13:43 THE ROADMAP TO PEACE WAS STALLED >>OR IS IN DEEP FREEZE
• 13:47 NOT BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT TO PROGRESS AND DID NOT WANT TO GO.
• 13:50 WE STARTED WITH CONFIDENCE BUILDING MEASURES AND UNILATERAL MEASURES
• 13:54 FOR THE VERY SIMPLE FACT THAT THIS PLAN OR THIS PROGRAM
• 13:59 IS BASED ON PERFORMANCE RATHER >>THAN ON DECLARATION
• 14:03 AND THE PALESTINIANS HAD TO PERFORM THEIR PART
• 14:06 AND THEIR PART REQUIRED THAT THEY TAKE REAL STEPS
• 14:09 TO DISMANTLE THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, STOP TERRORISM,
• 14:12 STOP INCITEMENT AND THEY HAVEN'T >>TAKEN THOSE STEPS FOR A WHOLE VARIETY OF REASONS.
• 14:18 THE MINUTE THERE WILL BE A LEADERSHIP
• 14:20 THAT WILL BE WILLING TO START MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION,
• 14:23 YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PEACE PROCESS WILL BE REVIVED.
• 14:25 DO YOU SINCERELY THINK-- IN AMERICA WE SAY THE PALESTINIANS WANT PEACE.
• 14:31 IN WESTERN DEMOCRACIES WE SAY EVERYONE WANTS PEACE,
• 14:34 BUT DO YOU SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT THE PALESTINIANS WANT PEACE?
• 14:39 THEY HAVEN'T ASKED FOR PEACE.
• 14:41 BY DEFAULT.
• 14:42 THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO EXPLAIN, >>BY DEFAULT.
• 14:44 IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE COME >>TO REALIZE AFTER 3 YEARS >>THAT THEY CAN'T DEFEAT ISRAEL,
• 14:50 THEY CAN'T BRING ISRAEL TO SURRENDER OR TO FALL APART AT THE SEAMS
• 14:55 AS NASSRALLAH PORTRAYED ISRAEL, THIS IS LIKE A SPIDER WEB THAT WILL FALL APART UNDER PRESSURE.
• 15:05 BECAUSE WE WITHDREW FROM LEBANON,
• 15:06 THEY HAD THE WRONG ASSESSMENT >>THAT IF THEY MOUNT THIS ATTACK >>AGAINST THE ISRAELI SOCIETY,
• 15:13 IT WILL FALL APART AT THE SEAMS, >>ISRAEL WILL MAKE CONCESSIONS
• 15:16 AND THEN THEY COULD CONTINUE WITH THEIR, WHAT THEY CALL,
• 15:19 PLANNED STAGES OF BRINGING THE DISMANTLEMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
• 15:27 IT DIDN'T WORK AND NOW SUDDENLY >>THOSE MORE PRAGMATIC FORCES
• 15:32 AMONG THE PALESTINIAN POLITICAL BODY WERE SAYING, WAIT, LISTEN >>IT DIDN'T WORK.
• 15:38 WE'VE GOT TO CHANGE OUR APPROACH.
• 15:41 ABU MAZAN REFLECTS THAT APPROACH.
• 15:42 ABU ALLA AND OTHER INTELLECTUALS >>AND THEY SAID, LOOK IT DIDN'T WORK.
• 15:47 YASSER ARAFAT ADOPTED A STRATEGY >>OF TERROR THAT FAILED.
• 15:50 LET'S FACE IT, IT FAILED. IT DOESN'T WORK.
• 15:52 MORE AND MORE YOUNG PEOPLE GET KILLED FOR NOTHING.
• 15:56 IT DOESN'T LEAD US ONE STEP AHEAD.
• 15:57 ON THE CONTRARY, THE SUICIDE >>BOMBING WAS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE
• 16:00 IN TERMS OF INTERNATIONAL SUPPORT.
• 16:01 THE PALESTINIANS ALWAYS BELIEVE >>THAT THEIR STRATEGY OF ACHIEVING A STATE
• 16:05 WILL BE BASED ON INTERNATIONAL >>PRESSURE AND SUPPORT AND THEY'RE LOSING.
• 16:08 THEY WERE LOSING THAT KIND OF SUPPORT BECAUSE OF THIS HORRENDOUS SUICIDE BOMBING
• 16:13 AND I THINK ANOTHER "ACCIDENT" >>THAT SPOILED THEIR PLAN WAS, OF COURSE, 9-11.
• 16:22 OH SURE.
• 16:23 THE MINUTE TERRORISM WENT GLOBAL >>AND THEY COULD NOT SEPARATE THEIR TERROR AND SAY,
• 16:28 OUR'S IS DIFFERENT THAN THE REST BECAUSE THE PRACTICE IS THE SAME >>AND THE PICTURE,
• 16:32 THE HORRENDOUS PICTURE OF DEATH AND CARNAGE OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS
• 16:37 WERE SPREAD ALL OVER THE WORLD.
• 16:38 THEY COULDN'T VERY WELL DEFEND IT.
• 16:39 AND YET THE MEDIA, HOW CAN YOU >>ACCOUNT FOR THE MEDIA CALL THE PEOPLE, LET'S SAY,
• 16:46 THE PEOPLE WHO ATTACKED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER CERTAINLY CALLED TERRORIST,
• 16:49 IN IRAQ, PEOPLE THAT ATTACK THE COALITION FORCES ARE TERRORISTS.
• 16:53 BUT IN ISRAEL, THEY ARE MILITANTS, THEY ARE FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
• 16:58 WHAT KIND OF LANGUAGE IS THAT?
• 16:59 YOU KNOW, TO MANY PEOPLE WHO >>SUPPORT THE PALESTINIAN MOVEMENT >>WHO SUPPORT,
• 17:06 THERE'S COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
• 17:08 THEY FAILED TO UNDERSTAND THAT >>THIS BRAND OF TERRORISM IS LEADING NOWHERE,
• 17:14 THAT ARAFAT IS NOT WHAT HE CLAIMED TO BE,
• 17:16 BUT A MASTER OF A 3D SHOW, >>DECEPTION, DUPLICITY AND DECEIT.
• 17:24 THAT'S VERY CLEVER.
• 17:25 EVERYTHING THAT HE SAYS IS LIES.
• 17:27 HE DIDN'T FULFILL ONE AGREEMENT >>THAT HE SIGNED, NOT ONLY WITH US, BUT WITH ANY OTHER.
• 17:33 HE LEAD HIS PEOPLE ASTRAY TO NOWHERE AND THEY THEMSELVES ADMIT IT.
• 17:38 THEY ADMIT THAT WHEN IT COMES TO >>THE DAY TO DAY CONDUCT OF GOVERNING PALESTINIAN LIFE,
• 17:45 IT WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE, BUT HE REMAINS THE SYMBOL.
• 17:48 OH SURE.
• 17:49 WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION, WHO IS YOUR LEADER?
• 17:51 THEY WILL SAY ARAFAT IS THE >>LEADER BECAUSE HE IS THE SYMBOL OF THE PALESTINIAN REVOLUTION,
• 17:57 BUT WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION, >>WHO WOULD YOU WANT TO GOVERN,
• 18:01 DO YOU THINK THAT HE CAN GOVERN WELL AND HE COULD LEAD YOU OUT >>OF THERE
• 18:05 AND THE ANSWER WOULD BE NEGATIVE.
• 18:07 IF YOU PUT THEM IN THE KIND OF >>POSITION WHERE THEY ARE NOT IDENTIFIED.
• 18:11 IT'S LIKE THE WIZARD OF OZ WHEN HE'S CAUGHT
• 18:14 SAYS, "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE >>MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN".
• 18:16 ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS THAT TYRANTS, DICTATORS
• 18:23 HAVE A VERY EASY WAY WHEN THEY ASCEND, WHEN THEY GET INTO POWER >>VERY QUICKLY THEY ASCEND,
• 18:31 BUT IT TAKES, BUT IT'S VERY SLOW BEFORE THEY DEPART AND LEAVE THE >>STAGE OF HISTORY.
• 18:36 LOOK AT SADDAM HUSSEIN AND LOOK AT ARAFAT HOW LONG THESE PEOPLE >>HAVE SURVIVED
• 18:40 BECAUSE THEY BUILT AROUND THEMSELVES A SYSTEM THAT IS VERY HARD TO DISMANTLE,
• 18:45 SYSTEM OF SECURITY FORCES >>ACCUMULATING MONEY AND THE KIND >>OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT
• 18:52 THAT MAKES THEM ALMOST IMMUNE TO THE REGULAR PROCESSES OF REGIME CHANGE.
• 19:00 WELL, AND YET IN THE WESTERN WORLD IN FRANCE,
• 19:03 THERE WAS A RICH ARISTOCRACY IN CONTROL WHEN THE PEOPLE REVOLTED.
• 19:07 IN AMERICA THE BRITISH REDCOATS >>HAD TOTAL CONTROL AND A FEW FARMERS REVOLTED
• 19:13 AND YET IN BOTH CASES THEY OVERTHREW THE DICTATORSHIP
• 19:18 AND ESTABLISHED SOME KIND OF REPUBLIC.
• 19:19 HOW COME, IN POPULOUS ARAB >>NATIONS WITH MILLIONS OF SOULS >>UNDER A HEEL,
• 19:26 HOW COME THEY CANNOT JUST REVOLT >>AND THROW THE GUY OUT OF THE PALACE?
• 19:31 THERE IS NO DEMOCRATIC TRADITION >>AND THESE REGIMES LIKE IRAQ, SADDAM HUSSEIN IN IRAQ,
• 19:39 YASSER ARAFAT IN THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, ASSAD, THE FATHER OF BASHAR,
• 19:46 THEY DEVELOPED A TOTALITARIAN REGIME MODELED AFTER, IF YOU WANT,
• 19:52 THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND RUTHLESS TOTALITARIAN REGIME THAT EXISTED IN EUROPE
• 19:58 IN NAZI GERMANY OR IN FASCIST ITALY.
• 20:02 THIS IS A SYSTEM WHERE YOU HAVE >>A STATE WITHIN A STATE.
• 20:06 THE RULER AND HIS CLOSE SUPPORTERS
• 20:08 HAVE FULL CONTROL OF >>THE MEANS OF COERCIVE POWER OF >>THE MEDIA,
• 20:12 OF MONEY AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT >>SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE POINT WHERE THE REGIME IS TOPPLED
• 20:18 AND MANY OF THE INSTITUTION AROUND THEM FALL APART,
• 20:21 THE NUCLEUS OF THE HARD CORE >>NUCLEUS OF THE LEADER AND THOSE >>SURROUNDING HIM,
• 20:26 WHAT I CALL SORT OF THE PREROGATIVE STATE, PREROGATIVE GOVERNMENT
• 20:30 STAYS IN POWER AND UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY HIT THE PERSON, THE MAN OR REMOVE HIM,
• 20:36 THE WHOLE SYSTEM WILL CONTINUE >>TO FUNCTION AND IT FUNCTIONS BECAUSE OF FEAR.
• 20:39 IT FUNCTIONS BECAUSE OF THE USE OF FEAR
• 20:44 AND OF COURSE ALSO INTIMIDATION >>AND TEMPTATION, MONEY.
• 20:48 THESE THREE ELEMENTS SEEM TO BE >>MUCH MORE POWERFUL MEANS TO SUSTAIN DICTATORSHIP
• 20:55 THAN THE HOPE THAT DEMOCRACY OFFERS TO THE PEOPLE TO OVERTHROW THEM.
• 21:00 OKAY, WHAT'S YOUR HUNCH, WHAT'S >>GOING TO HAPPEN, SAY STARTING WITH IRAQ?
• 21:05 I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING >>WAS THE ACTION TAKEN BY PRESIDENT BUSH
• 21:10 WHEN THE U.S. FORCES TOOK OVER >>IRAQ AND REALLY SET IN MOTION PROCESSES WHICH MAY BE SLOW
• 21:18 BUT WHICH ARE NOW ALREADY GOING >>ON TO DEMOCRATIZE IRAQ, TO CHANGE THE REGIME IN IRAQ.
• 21:24 THIS WILL HAVE FAR REACHING >>IMPLICATION ON THE MIDDLE EAST >>BECAUSE IF IRAQ,
• 21:28 I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO BE A >>FULL DEMOCRACY
• 21:31 IN THE PERIOD THAT THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO OCCUPY IT,
• 21:33 BUT AT LEAST IT IS WILL EMERGE AS A PRO-WESTERN SOCIETY WITH A >>STABLE REGIME, I BELIEVE
• 21:40 AND THAT WILL PROJECT ON THE REST OF THE MIDDLE EAST A DIFFERENT KIND OF ATMOSPHERE
• 21:47 BECAUSE THE MIDDLE EAST WILL >>CEASE TO BE A HAVEN OR SANCTUARY FOR TERRORISTS AND ROGUE STATES.
• 21:56 THERE WILL BE OTHER MODELS OF STATE, A BIG STATE
• 21:59 BECAUSE IRAQ IS A MAJOR COUNTRY >>IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
• 22:03 IT'S A REGIONAL POWER IF YOU WANT
• 22:04 AND IT WILL BE A COUNTERVEILING >>FORCE TO IRAN WHICH REPRESENT THE RADICAL.
• 22:10 IN A SENSE THE SPLIT OF THE MIDDLE EAST WILL ONLY BRING BLESSING TO THE WORLD
• 22:14 AND WHAT YOU NEED IS HAVE A GROUP OF STATES LIKE IRAQ, LIKE JORDAN, LIKE ISRAEL
• 22:19 WHICH WILL REPRESENT THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, >>FREE ECONOMY,
• 22:27 ALL THESE CONCEPTS WHICH ARE VERY CRITICAL CAN BE REALIZED
• 22:32 IF THE UNITED STATES CONTINUES TO SET IN MOTION WHAT IT STARTED AFTER THE VICTORY AGAINST IRAQ.
• 22:40 OKAY AND YOUR HUNCH ABOUT ISRAEL,
• 22:41 WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THE PALESTINIANS, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?
• 22:45 I'M OPTIMISTIC, GUARDED OPTIMISTIC.
• 22:48 THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE PITFALLS.
• 22:50 TERRORISM IS NOT GOING TO DISAPPEAR FROM OUR LIFE, BUT WE CAN CONTAIN IT.
• 22:54 I BELIEVE THERE WILL ELEMENTS IN THE PALESTINIAN SOCIETY
• 22:56 THAT WILL WANT TO REACH AND AGREEMENT WITH US AN WE WILL REACH AN AGREEMENT,
• 23:01 NOT PEACE, BUT A TEMPORARY LONG-TERM AGREEMENT.
• 23:05 THE REASON WE CAN'T REACH PEACE IS,
• 23:06 GOING BACK TO THE THINGS THAT I JUST SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE INTERVIEW.
• 23:10 FOR US, PEACE IS A NATURAL CHOICE, FOR THEM, IT COMES BY DEFAULT.
• 23:13 WE HAVE RECOGNIZED THE INHERENT >>RIGHTS OF THE PALESTINIAN AND THE ARABS
• 23:19 TO HAVE COUNTRIES OF THEIR OWN, THE INHERENT INALIENABLE RIGHTS
• 23:23 THAT THEY ARE CITIZENS OF THEIR COUNTRIES.
• 23:28 THE PALESTINIANS AND THE ARAB IN GENERAL
• 23:31 HAVE NOT YET RECONCILED WITH THE FACT
• 23:33 THAT JEWS ALSO HAVE AN INALIENABLE INHERENT RIGHT
• 23:37 TO HAVE A STATE OF THEIR OWN IN >>THEIR ANCESTRAL HOMELAND.
• 23:41 THE DENIAL IS TWO FOLD.
• 23:42 THEY DENY THAT THIS IS OUR ANCESTRAL HOMELAND, >>THE DENY THAT WE ARE A PEOPLE.
• 23:45 SO THEY RECOGNIZE THE STATE NOT BECAUSE OF OUR RIGHT, BUT BECAUSE OF OUR MIGHT.
• 23:50 TRUE PEACE WILL ONLY COME ABOUT >>AND ALL OTHER ISSUES WILL BE RESOLVED,
• 23:55 THE TERRITORIAL ISSUE, >>THE OTHER CAN BE EASILY RESOLVED
• 23:57 ONCE THERE IS MUTUAL RECOGNITION OF THE INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF THE >>TWO PEOPLE
• 24:03 AND NOT JUST SAYING THAT WE RECOGNIZE THERE IS A GENEVA DOCUMENT NOW.
• 24:07 THEY SAY WE RECOGNIZE A JEWISH STATE, WELL, FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES IT CAN BE ON THE MOON
• 24:13 OR UNDERGROUND UNDER THE TEMPLE, >>BUT NOT ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
• 24:18 THIS JEWISH STATE, AND THAT THEY MUST RECONCILE WITH THIS FACT, >>THIS JEWISH STATE IS HERE.
• 24:25 THIS JEWISH STATE IS ONLY GOING >>TO BE HERE WITH IT'S CAPITAL JERUSALEM
• 24:30 BECAUSE OF ONE SIMPLE REASON: WE ARE NOT THE COLONIZING FORCES >>OF THIS REGION.
• 24:36 WE ARE THE ORIGINAL NATIVES.
• 24:37 JEWS NEVER STOPPED LIVING IN THIS REGION AND PARTICULARLY IN THEIR HOMELAND.
• 24:42 FOR 3000 YEARS CONTINUOUSLY, JEWS ALWAYS LIVED,
• 24:45 THEY WERE PERSECUTED, THEY WERE DRIVEN OUT, THEY CAME BACK AND >>THEY CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE.
• 24:49 I'M A 6TH GENERATION ISRAELI. >>MY GREAT GRANDFATHER CAME IN 1881.
• 24:55 HE DIDN'T COME BECAUSE HE WAS PART OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT.
• 24:58 HE CAME BECAUSE HE WAS ARMED WITH THE BIBLE
• 25:01 AND HE TRULY BELIEVED THIS IS THE HOMELAND OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE
• 25:04 AND HE TOOK THE BIBLE WITH HIM AND THE MONEY HE MADE IN RUSSIA
• 25:09 AND ESTABLISHED A HOMESTEAD IN ISRAEL.
• 25:11 PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES >>CONTINUE TO COME.
• 25:15 THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT WOULD HAVE >>BEEN A COMPLETE FAILURE IF IT WASN'T THE INCULCATION
• 25:19 AND THE BELIEF OF EVERY JEW THAT EVENTUALLY THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO JERUSALEM.
• 25:26 THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE THEY BELONG.
• 25:38 IN THE BIBLE AND HISTORY BOTH >>TEACH US THAT ISRAEL IS CREATED >>AS A JEWISH NATION BY GOD,
• 25:45 THE PRESENT ISRAEL FROM THE HOLOCAUST, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE,
• 25:49 THE JEWS NEEDED A PLACE THEY COULD GO.
• 25:51 IN ANCIENT TIMES THEY FLED PHARAOH AND WENT TO ANCIENT ISRAEL
• 25:56 AND THEY FLED FROM ONE OCCUPIER >>AFTER ANOTHER AND SO ON
• 26:02 BUT THE LAND HAS ALWAYS BEEN THEIRS SINCE GOD GAVE IT TO THEM.
• 26:06 THE CRUSADERS WERE MISGUIDED.
• 26:07 TODAY THE ARABS IN THE LAND WHO CALL THEMSELVES PALESTINIANS FOR SOME REASON HAVE THE SAME FAULT.
• 26:15 THEY WANT THE LAND GOD HAS GIVEN >>TO ISRAEL BY DIVINE RIGHT.
• 26:39 WHATEVER PROTESTANT DENOMINATION >>HELPS THE PALESTINIANS
• 26:43 IS CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO THAT.
• 26:47 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALYIM, >>PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.