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Caption transcript for The Crusaders: “The Ambassador Speaks” (3/8)

• 00:06 IN 1095 POPE URBAN II DECREED THAT THE CENTER OF THE KNOWN WORLD, JERUSALEM,
• 00:12 SHOULD BE FREED FROM MUSLIM CONTROL.
• 00:15 SPURRED BY RELIGIOUS FERVOR, >>WARRIORS MARCHED UNABATED ACROSS >>EUROPE TOWARDS THE HOLY LAND,
• 00:21 LEAVING DEATH AND DEVASTATION IN THEIR WAKE.
• 00:24 IN THE END, UPWARDS OF 30,000 MUSLIMS AND JEWS WERE MASSACRED IN JERUSALEM ALONE.
• 00:31 THIS WAS CALLED "A HOLY WAR". THESE WERE THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:41 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:42 WELCOME BACK TO OUR SERIES ON THE CRUSADERS.
• 00:45 I SPECIFIED BEFORE WHY WE ARE COVERING THE CRUSADERS,
• 00:48 ALTHOUGH THEY WERE A LOT >>DIFFERENT, THEY WERE CHRISTIAN >>ARMIES FROM EUROPE
• 00:53 THAT CAME TO TRY TO GET JERUSALEM AND THE HOLY LAND
• 00:57 OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE MUSLIMS >>1000 YEARS AGO.
• 01:00 NO LESS A PERSONALITY THAN OSAMA BIN LADEN SAID RECENTLY ON A TAPE,
• 01:07 MY MESSAGE IS TO INCITE YOU AGAINST THE CONSPIRACIES,
• 01:11 ESPECIALLY THOSE UNCOVERED BY >>THE OCCUPATION OF THE CRUSADERS >>IN BAGHDAD
• 01:17 CALLING OUR ARMIES CRUSADERS.
• 01:20 WELL, WE'LL INTERVIEW IN THIS >>PROGRAM, AMBASSADOR DORE GOLD,
• 01:25 BUT IN THE MEANWHILE, LET'S GO TO LOCATION AT AKKO.
• 01:29 WELL, WE ARE HERE AT AKKO ON THE MEDITERRANEAN SHORE.
• 01:33 THIS IS AN OLD PLACE. THIS WAS AN OLD PLACE WHEN ABRAHAM CAME TO ISRAEL.
• 01:38 IT WAS A CANAANITE CITY-STATE TO BEGIN WITH.
• 01:41 IT'S FAVORED WITH A NATURAL DEEP >>HARBOR AND RIGHT ON THE COAST
• 01:45 WITH JUST ABOUT AT THE VALLEY OF >>ARMAGEDDON WHICH IS A VERY FERTILE FLAT PLACE
• 01:51 YOU CAN CROSS THE LAND INTO MESOPOTAMIA EASILY HERE.
• 01:54 SO TRADERS USED THIS ROUTE FROM EGYPT TO MESOPOTAMIA FROM EUROPE >>WHEN IT BEGAN TO TRADE HERE,
• 02:03 SO LONG, I'M TALKING 4,000 YEARS >>HISTORY, IT'S MORE THAN THAT,
• 02:09 BUT IT WAS ALSO THE SITE THEREFORE OF MANY BATTLES.
• 02:12 THE CRUSADERS CAME HERE IN 1104 BUT THEY WERE PRECEDED BY A LONG >>LIST OF CONQUERORS
• 02:21 INCLUDING THE USUAL SUSPECTS, THE EGYPTIANS, THE PERSIANS, THE HASMONEANS,
• 02:28 JEWISH PEOPLE CONQUERED IT BEFORE MESSIAH CAME THEN THE ROMANS AND THEN HUMIAD,
• 02:37 ARABS, MUSLIMS CAME THEN THE OTTOMANS AND BRITISH, THE PALESTINIANS,
• 02:43 JUST HORDES AND HORDES OF PEOPLE CAME HERE AND WHEN THE CRUSADERS >>ARRIVED IN 1104,
• 02:51 THEY WERE DETERMINED TO HOLD THIS PLACE.
• 02:52 IT'S A WONDERFUL HARBOR, BUT THEY HAD TO FIGHT WITH THE INLAND ARABS.
• 02:59 THERE WAS AN ARAB POPULATION >>ALREADY ESTABLISHED HERE SO THE BATTLED FINALLY WITH SALAHADIN.
• 03:07 THEY LOST THE PLACE FOR AWHILE, >>THEY TOOK IT BACK,
• 03:08 BUT THEY MADE IT A SHOW PLACE OF CULTURE AND ARCHITECTURE IN THE LONG RUN.
• 03:14 IT WAS REALLY WORLD CLASS IN THE 13TH CENTURY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY,
• 03:19 THEY LOST IT TO THE MAMALUKES, >>MUSLIMS FROM EGYPT WHO TOOK IT IN 1291.
• 03:26 LATER OTTOMANS OCCUPIED IT AND >>IT'S STILL OCCUPIED TODAY.
• 03:30 PEOPLE LIVE HERE, IT'S A THRIVING LITTLE CITY.
• 03:33 OUR TOURS HAVE COME HERE INTO >>THE UNDERGROUND CITY, SO CALLED.
• 03:39 IT WASN'T REALLY BUILT UNDERGROUND,
• 03:40 BUT AL JAZAR, CHIEFTAIN OF >>MUSLIMS IN THE 18TH CENTURY PUT >>A MOSQUE IN AN ARAB COMPLEX
• 03:49 RIGHT OVER TOP OF THE OLD CRUSADER'S CITY CAUSING IT TO BECOME AN UNDERGROUND CITY,
• 03:55 BUT HE LEFT IT OPEN AT THE END SO THAT VISITORS, TOURISTS COULD GO THROUGH THE UNDERGROUND AREA
• 04:01 AND MARVEL AT IT AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR TOURS HAVE DONE.
• 04:05 WHEN THE CRUSADERS WERE HERE, THE HOSPITALLER KNIGHTS IN PARTICULAR,
• 04:12 ESTABLISHED A MEDICAL CENTER, I GUESS FROM WHERE WE GET OUR TERM "HOSPITAL".
• 04:17 THEY TREATED PILGRIMS BACK THEN, >>PILGRIMS TO THE LAND
• 04:20 GOT SICK WITH TRAVELERS DISEASES >>AND THEY TREATED THEM HERE.
• 04:26 THE CRUSADERS BUILT THEIR GREAT >>HALLS AND THEIR CASTLE ON HELLENIST FOUNDATIONS.
• 04:35 THE GREEKS WHO WERE HERE LONG >>BEFORE ANY ROMAN ENGINEERS HAD LAID FOUNDATIONS IN THE EARTH,
• 04:42 SO THEY WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THE CRUSADERS IN THERE TURN AND THEN THE ARABS AFTER THAT.
• 04:48 A LOT OF THE HOLY LAND IS LIKE THAT.
• 04:50 I CAN THINK OF THE JEZREEL VALLEY, THE SITE OF MEGIDDO,
• 04:56 WHICH IS LIKE A STACK OF 20 CIVILIZATIONS LIKE SHOEBOXES ON SHELVES,
• 05:01 ONE BUILT ON TOP OF ANOTHER >>AND IT'S BURNED AND THERE'S ASH
• 05:05 AND THEN THERE'S A LAYER OF >>ANOTHER AND THEN ASH AND THEN A LAYER OF ANOTHER ONE STRAIGHT UP
• 05:10 AND IT SOMEWHAT HAPPENED HERE IN THAT FASHION.
• 05:14 TOWARD THE END, NAPOLEON CAME, >>THAT IS, UP TOWARD OUR DAY,
• 05:20 IN 1799, HE FAILED TO CONQUER THIS PLACE.
• 05:23 HE SAID IF I COULD HAVE GOT AKKO, I'D HAVE THE WORLD.
• 05:26 I ADDED, I THINK THAT'S A LOT TO SAY, BUT ANYHOW,
• 05:28 HE DIDN'T CONQUER IT EITHER AND THE GREAT HALLS ARE STILL THERE.
• 05:33 THE CRUSADERS BUILT IN THE STYLE >>THEY DID IN ENGLAND, FRANCE AND GERMANY,
• 05:39 GREAT CASTLES WITH ENORMOUS >>ROOMS WHERE KNIGHTS WOULD MEET AND EAT AND CELEBRATE AND SING.
• 05:47 THOSE ROOMS ARE STILL HERE IN >>THE SO-CALLED UNDERGROUND CITY.
• 05:52 IN THE END THE BRITISH CAME IN >>THE 20TH CENTURY
• 05:56 AND THEY OCCUPIED THE PLACE UNDER THE BRITISH MANDATE
• 05:59 AND THERE WE HAVE QUITE A SITUATION I'LL DESCRIBE AFTER THIS.
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• 06:40 IN THE 20TH CENTURY, THE BRITISH PRETTY MUCH OPERATED THIS PLACE >>UNTIL ISRAELI INDEPENDENCE.
• 06:49 THEY HAD A MANDATE GIVEN THEM IN 1918 AND THEY ALSO HAD THE BALFOUR DECLARATION,
• 06:57 DAVID BALFOUR, A BRITISH GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL
• 07:00 HAD DECLARED THAT THE JEWS HAVE THE RIGHT TO REESTABLISH THEIR ANCIENT SOCIETY HERE IN ISRAEL
• 07:10 WHERE OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE THE NATIVES, IT'S WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
• 07:14 THE BRITISH TRIED THIS DOCTRINE OF EQUIVALENCY THAT WE SEE TODAY >>IN THE MEDIA AND THE PRESS,
• 07:21 OF TWO PEOPLE, REALLY, ARE IN THE LAND AND SHARE IT AND ALL THE REST OF THAT
• 07:27 AND THE BRITISH LEANED MORE TO THE ARAB SIDE.
• 07:31 THEY WERE ALWAYS, AND TO THIS DAY, ARE MORE LIKE ARABISTS
• 07:36 THAN THEY ARE LIKE ON THE JEWISH >>SIDE OF THINGS.
• 07:40 BUT WITH THAT SAID, THE SITUATION WAS
• 07:43 THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE LAND DID >>NOT LIKE THE BRITISH.
• 07:46 THE ARABS FOUGHT WITH THEM, THE JEWS FOUGHT WITH THEM,
• 07:48 PARTICULARLY THE JEWS FOUGHT WITH THEM BECAUSE THIS IS JEWISH LAND
• 07:52 AND THEY WERE FOREIGN OCCUPIERS, >>SIMPLE AS THAT.
• 07:54 NOW WITH ALL THAT SAID, WE GOT A STANDARD GUIDEBOOK THAT'S PART OF OUR RESEARCH FOR THE PROGRAM.
• 08:00 THIS ONE'S CALLED, "LET'S GO ISRAEL" AND AMONG THE SOURCES THAT WE LOOKED AT.
• 08:06 WE LOOKED AT THIS BOOK AND I FOUND THIS SENTENCE.
• 08:20 THAT'S ABOUT THE CITADEL HERE AT AKKO AND THE BRITISH OPERATED A >>PRISON HERE
• 08:24 IN WHICH THEY TOOK JEWISH FIGHTERS WHO OPPOSED THEM AND JAILED THEM.
• 08:35 IT'S A CRAZY STATEMENT BECAUSE, >>ALTHOUGH WE READ IT ALL THE >>TIME, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
• 08:40 A TERRORIST TACTIC IS DONE AGAINST INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
• 08:44 THAT'S WHY IT'S TERRORISM. THAT'S WHY IT STRIKES TERROR.
• 08:48 IT'S NOT TERROR TO ATTACK ARMED TROOPS.
• 08:51 ARMED TROOPS ARE IN THAT BUSINESS.
• 08:52 THE BRITISH WERE WALKING AROUND >>HERE WITH GUNS. THEY WERE WEARING UNIFORMS.
• 08:57 THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY FOREIGNERS >>IN A JEWISH LAND
• 09:01 AND WHEN THE JEW INCLUDING MENACHEM BEGIN, FOR ONE,
• 09:04 ATTACKED THEM, THEY WERE CALLED >>FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
• 09:08 THEY WERE CALLED A LOT OF THINGS, BUT TO CALL THEM TERRORISTS, IS CRAZY.
• 09:12 WE CALL PALESTINIAN PEOPLE TERRORIST WHEN THEY BLOW UP BOMBS ON CITY BUSES
• 09:17 BECAUSE THEY ARE ATTACKING MEN, >>WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND OLD >>PEOPLE ALIKE, IT DOESN'T MATTER,
• 09:22 BUT THEY NEVER ATTACK AN ISRAELI ARMY BASE.
• 09:25 THEY MIGHT SHOOT SOME POOR SOLDIER ON GUARD DUTY IN THE BACK,
• 09:29 BUT, THEY DON'T GO AND CONFRONT >>THE ARMY AS DID BEGIN AND HIS COHORTS.
• 09:34 THAT IS NOT TERRORISM IF THEY DID THAT, IF THEY GO TO AN ARMED SOLDIER,
• 09:40 IT IS NOT TERRORISM AND THIS BOOK GIVES ALL OF THE CONQUERORS OF THIS LAND.
• 09:57 LOTS AND LOTS OF STRANGERS IN THE LAND,
• 10:00 BUT THEY RESERVE THE TERM >>TERRORIST FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE, >>THE NATIVES.
• 10:14 TODAY THE BATTLE OVER ISRAEL REALLY IS ABOUT POLITICS.
• 10:18 THERE'S NO LOGIC TO THE CASE OF >>ARABS BEING IN THE LAND
• 10:23 AND JEWS COMING TO PUSH THEM OUT, JUST DOESN'T WORK.
• 10:27 IT WAS ALWAYS A JEWISH LAND, WHOLE HISTORY OF IT,
• 10:29 ARCHAEOLOGY, WRITINGS, THE VERY >>TITLE THAT GOD GAVE ABRAHAM.
• 10:34 IT'S JEWISH LAND, BUT POLITICS >>CAN SWAY PEOPLES OPINIONS.
• 10:39 THE MEDIA PARTICULARLY CNN, THE NEW YORK TIMES
• 10:42 ARE CONSTANTLY TAKING THE ARAB >>SIDE OF THINGS
• 10:45 SO WE SOUGHT AN INTERVIEW WITH >>SOMEBODY AWARE OF DIPLOMACY AND POLITICS
• 10:49 AND WE'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO COME >>TO AMBASSADOR DORE GOLD, FORMER U.N. AMBASSADOR.
• 10:56 HIS PEDIGREE GOES ON FOR PAGES >>SO I WON'T BORE YOU WITH IT, BUT HE'S VERY ACCOMPLISHED.
• 11:01 HE'S AN AMERICAN.
• 11:02 HE'S GOT A DOCTORATE IN INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS FROM COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY,
• 11:06 QUITE A SPOKESMAN AND A SPOKESMAN FOR PRIME MINISTER SHARON.
• 11:11 HERE'S DORE GOLD.
• 11:12 DORE, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A VAST >>KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION,
• 11:17 THE PALESTINIANS, VISA VI THE-- >>WHAT'S GOING ON? LET ME JUST TURN YOU LOSE.
• 11:22 YOU KNOW, ISRAEL SPENT THE LAST 10 YEARS EXPERIMENTING WITH THE >>OSLO AGREEMENTS
• 11:27 AND WE'VE LOST NOW CLOSE TO 1000 ISRAELI LIVES WITH THIS EXPERIMENT.
• 11:31 IT THINK ISRAELIS HAVE NOW COME >>TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE >>FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMPTIONS OF OSLO,
• 11:37 THAT YASSER ARAFAT WOULD TAKE >>RESPONSIBILITY FOR AREAS UNDER >>HIS JURISDICTION
• 11:42 AND FIGHT TERRORISM THE WAY THE EGYPTIANS FIGHT TERROR AGAINST EGYPT
• 11:46 OR ALGERIANS AGAINST THE >>ALGERIAN UNDERGROUND MOVEMENTS.
• 11:50 THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, THEREFORE, WE HAVE NO CHOICE AT THIS TIME
• 11:55 BUT TO PUT IN PLACE THE BEGINNINGS OF A UNILATERAL SOLUTION
• 11:58 AND THAT IS ERECTING A FENCE THAT WILL TAKE IN THE LARGEST NUMBER OF ISRAELIS POSSIBLE
• 12:03 TO PROTECT THEM FROM THE SUICIDE BOMBERS THAT ARAFAT HAS LAUNCHED >>AND ALLOWED TO BE LAUNCHED.
• 12:09 NOW YOU'RE BEING CRITICIZED FOR BUILDING THE BERLIN WALL, THE APARTHEID WALL.
• 12:15 I GRABBED A PUBLICATION, DON'T KNOW WHAT CAME OVER ME,
• 12:19 IT'S CALLED, "THIS WEEK IN PALESTINE".
• 12:20 THE THING IS FULL OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE APARTHEID WALL.
• 12:24 YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE SUBSTANCE HERE THAT MATTERS.
• 12:26 THE BERLIN WALL WAS PUT IN PLACE >>TO IMPRISON GERMANS AND OTHER PEOPLES IN EASTERN EUROPE
• 12:36 UNDER SOVIET DOMINATION TO NOT LET THEM OUT.
• 12:38 OUR PROBLEM IS THAT THE PALESTINIANS WERE LET OUT AND WERE ABLE TO COME INTO ISRAEL
• 12:45 AND THEY WEREN'T LOOKING FOR FREEDOM,
• 12:46 THEY WERE LOOKING TO KILL ISRAELIS WITH SUICIDE BELTS.
• 12:49 SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS >>TO PROTECT ISRAELIS,
• 12:52 WE'RE NOT TRYING TO IMPRISON PEOPLE UNDER A REGIME OF ANY SORT,
• 12:56 BUT THE REASON THESE ANALOGIES ARE USED LIKE APARTHEID WALL, >>OR BERLIN WALL
• 13:03 IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THE SUBSTANCE >>DOESN'T MATTER HERE.
• 13:05 WHAT MATTERS IS THE EFFORT OF PALESTINIAN SPOKESMAN AND THEIR SUPPORTERS
• 13:10 TO DE-LEGITIMIZE THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
• 13:12 SO BY TRYING TO PUT US IN THE CATEGORY OF SOUTH AFRICA
• 13:16 OR FOR SOME AUDIENCES IN THE CATEGORY OF THE SOVIET BLOCK,
• 13:20 THEY HOPE TO DAMAGE ISRAEL'S STANDING IN WORLD OPINION.
• 13:26 THAT'S WHY THESE PHRASES ARE CHOSEN.
• 13:27 ALL THIS NEGATIVE PROPAGANDA SEEMS TO BE WORKING.
• 13:32 RECENTLY THE EUROPEANS DECLARED ISRAEL THE MOST DANGEROUS, THE BIGGEST THREAT TO WORLD PEACE.
• 13:42 WE'RE IN GOOD COMPANY BECAUSE NUMBER TWO IS UNITED STATES.
• 13:45 I DID LIKE THAT PART.
• 13:45 IT REMINDED ME WHEN THE NAZIS >>DISALLOWED JEWISH COMPOSERS AND BARTAK WROTE A LETTER AND SAID,
• 13:54 "I'M NOT JEWISH, BUT I WANT TO >>BE ON THAT LIST".
• 13:56 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF >>ASSUMPTIONS IN WORLD POLITICS.
• 14:00 THERE IS A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF >>EUROPEAN OPINION THAT BELIEVES >>IF YOU JUST SAT BACK,
• 14:05 DID NOTHING BUT MAKE MONEY AND >>RUN YOUR BUSINESS, THE WORLD WOULD BE A SAFE PLACE,
• 14:12 THAT THERE IS THIS AUTOMATIC >>HARMONY OF INTERESTS AND THERE ARE 2 COUNTRIES THAT UNDERSTAND,
• 14:18 UNDERSTAND VERY WELL, THAT THERE >>ARE PEOPLE, ORGANIZATIONS OUT >>THERE THAT WANT TO DESTROY US.
• 14:24 UNITED STATES WITNESSED THAT DEVASTATINGLY IN SEPT. 11
• 14:28 WHEN AL QAEDA STRUCK AT WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK AND >>ISRAEL WITNESSES IT EVERY DAY.
• 14:35 THEREFORE WE ARE NATIONS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO DEFENDING OUR CITIZENS
• 14:41 AND UNDERSTANDS THAT IF WE DON'T PROTECT OURSELVES, PEOPLE WILL >>TRY TO DESTROY US.
• 14:47 EUROPEANS WHO LIVED UNDER THE WINGS OF THE AMERICAN EAGLE ALL DURING THE COLD WAR,
• 14:52 HAVEN'T INTERNALIZED THAT CONCLUSION AND THEREFORE THEY SEE OUR ACTS OF SELF-DEFENSE
• 14:57 AS DISTURBING THE INTERNATIONAL >>PEACE THAT THEY THINK WOULD EMERGE.
• 15:01 SO, IF WE DIDN'T DO A WAR ON TERRORISM, TERRORISM WOULD JUST STOP.
• 15:05 IT WOULD JUST GO AWAY BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE HAPPY
• 15:07 AND STAY IN 4-5 STAR HOTELS IN >>PARIS AND BE LEFT ALONE.
• 15:12 IN FACT, THE PROBLEM IS, THEY ARE WRONG.
• 15:14 PEOPLE DON'T JUST WANT THAT, THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO DESTROY US.
• 15:16 I STUDIED THE IDEOLOGY OF AL QAEDA, I WROTE ABOUT WAHABISM IN SAUDI ARABIA
• 15:20 AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T >>HAVE OUR BEST INTEREST IN MIND.
• 15:25 SAUDI ARABIANS, YOU DID WRITE A >>BOOK ABOUT HATRED, WHAT WAS THE TITLE?
• 15:34 "HATRED'S KINGDOM".
• 15:36 YES, "HATRED'S KINGDOM".
• 15:36 THE SAUDI ARABIANS ARE GETTING A PASS THESE DAYS IT SEEMS LIKE.
• 15:42 THE PRESIDENT HAS A SAUDI PRINCE TO HIS RANCH, CRONIES ALL OVER >>THE PLACE,
• 15:47 WE'RE NOT MARCHING ANY SOLDIERS INTO THERE. WHAT'S GOING ON?
• 15:52 IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PASS.
• 15:53 SEC. OF DEFENSE DONALD RUMSFELD >>HAS ANNOUNCED
• 15:56 THAT IT'S PULLING OUT IT'S TROOPS FROM SAUDI ARABIA
• 15:59 INCLUDING FROM THE LARGE PRINCE SULTAN AIR BASE SOUTH OF RIYADH.
• 16:03 BUT, I DON'T EXPECT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION
• 16:04 TO GO TO WAR AGAINST EVERY COUNTRY THAT HAS HAD >>ANYTHING TO DO WITH TERRORISM.
• 16:09 YOU CAN'T DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
• 16:10 WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS FOCUS ON >>THE WORST CASE.
• 16:12 THE MOST DANGEROUS CASE WAS SADDAM HUSSEIN,
• 16:15 WHO COULD HAVE BECOME THE NEXUS TO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTIONS >>AND TERRORISM.
• 16:20 IN A SENSE, UNITED STATES, BY GOING AFTER IRAQ,
• 16:23 WAS NOT HANDLING THE TERRORIST >>ATTACK OF THE PAST, SEPT 11,
• 16:27 BUT RATHER PREEMPTING THE >>TERRORIST ATTACK OF THE FUTURE
• 16:31 WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
• 16:34 BUT IN TERMS OF SAUDI ARABIA,
• 16:35 I BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO PUT QUIET PRESSURE ON >>THE SAUDIS.
• 16:38 WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS THAT >>SAUDI ARABIA IS FIGHTING TERRORISM DOMESTICALLY.
• 16:42 THEY HAVE AL QAEDA ATTACK QUITE >>FREQUENTLY AND THEY ARE UNCOVERING CELLS OF AL QAEDA
• 16:47 THROUGHOUT THE KINGDOM EVEN THOUGH THEY DENIED JUST A YEAR AGO
• 16:50 THEY EVEN HAD ANY TERRORISTS IN SAUDI ARABIA AND ANY AL QAEDA PRESENCE.
• 16:53 WHERE WE SEE SAUDI ARABIA STILL FAILING, IS IN THE AREA OF TERRORIST FINANCING.
• 16:58 I CAN TELL YOU TODAY THAT 60-70% OF HAMAS BUDGET COMES FROM SAUDI DONATIONS
• 17:06 THROUGH SAUDI CHARITIES AND THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
• 17:09 THAT'S A PROBLEM WE'RE ASKING >>THE UNITED STATES TO ALLEVIATE.
• 17:13 THAT'S A FIRST RATE PROBLEM, THAT'S A VERY BIG DEAL.
• 17:15 SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS SUPPORTING THE PALESTINIAN TERRORISM.
• 17:20 ABSOLUTELY, THIS HAS TO COME TO AN END.
• 17:21 WE'VE SAID IF THE SAUDIS ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THEIR GREAT PEACE INITIATIVE
• 17:25 THAT WAS FIRST BROADCAST IN THE NEW YORK TIMES BY TOM FRIEDMAN, >>PRINCE ABDULLAH'S PEACE PLAN,
• 17:32 THEN HOW COULD THEY BE FINANCING HAMAS
• 17:34 AND THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN SUICIDE BOMBINGS AGAINST ISRAELI CIVILIANS.
• 17:38 ARE YOU FOR PEACE OR ARE YOU FOR SUICIDE BOMBINGS?
• 17:40 APPARENTLY THEY HAVE BEEN FINANCING THE LATTER.
• 17:42 YOU KNOW, TOM FRIEDMAN, WHILE YOU MENTION IT,
• 17:44 ANSWER FOR ME, HE SEEMS TO HAVE MULTIPLE PERSONALITY OR SOMETHING.
• 17:50 HE'S A LONGTIME ARABIST IN MY MIND. >>I'VE READ HIM FOR A LONG TIME.
• 17:54 LATELY HE'S DISAPPOINTED HIS FRIENDS, LETTING HIM DOWN,
• 17:57 THEY'RE NOT ACTING WELL, THE ARABS, AND YET HE STILL >>THINKS SETTLEMENTS HAVE TO GO,
• 18:02 THE LAND HAS TO GO TO THE PALESTINIANS, HE'S STILL ON THAT TRACK OF OSLO.
• 18:07 THE SETTLEMENT ISSUE IS AN OVERBLOWN ISSUE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND
• 18:13 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TERRITORIAL DISPUTE
• 18:15 WHERE ISRAEL HAS CLAIMS AND PALESTINIANS HAVE CLAIMS.
• 18:18 PALESTINIANS HAVE NO LIMITATIONS >>ON BUILDING IN THEIR VILLAGES AND TOWNS,
• 18:23 ADDING MORE HOUSING UNITS. WHY SHOULD ISRAEL?
• 18:27 WHAT WILL SETTLE THE DIFFERENCES >>BETWEEN THE ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS
• 18:31 IS THE NEGOTIATING TABLE, >>NOT HOW MUCH CONCRETE IS POURED.
• 18:34 SO, EMPHASIZING THE ISSUE OF SETTLEMENTS IS EMPHASIZING THE WRONG ISSUE.
• 18:39 FUNDAMENTAL FACT IS WE HAVE TO REACH A TERRITORIAL COMPROMISE >>IN THE WEST BANK,
• 18:43 IN JUDEA AND SAMARIA WHICH SOME TERRITORY WILL BECOME PART OF A >>PALESTINIAN DOMAIN
• 18:48 AND OTHER PARTS OF THE TERRITORY >>WILL BECOME PART OF ISRAEL
• 18:51 AND PROVIDE ISRAEL WITH A DEFENSIBLE BORDERS THAT IT DESERVES.
• 18:55 THAT'S YOUR OTHER ARTICLE I WAS >>INTERESTED IN, >>"DEFENSIBLE BORDERS FOR ISRAEL".
• 19:00 WELL, YOU KNOW, "DEFENSIBLE BORDERS" IS THE HERITAGE
• 19:03 THAT WE WERE LEFT BY OUR LATE PRIME MINISTER YITZHAK RABIN,
• 19:06 WHO IN HIS LAST SPEECH IN THE KNESSET, ONE MONTH BEFORE HE WAS ASSASSINATED,
• 19:12 ACTUALLY LAID OUT THE MAP OF ISRAEL. HE LAID OUT THE RABIN LEGACY.
• 19:16 HE DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT GOING BACK >>TO '67 LINES,
• 19:17 HE SAID ISRAEL MUST NEVER GO BACK TO THE '67 LINES, THOSE WEREN'T POLITICAL BORDERS,
• 19:22 THEY WERE JUST MILITARY LINES WHERE THE JORDANIAN ARMY STOPPED IN 1948.
• 19:27 HE INSISTED ON "DEFENSIBLE BORDERS".
• 19:29 HE SPOKE ABOUT ISRAEL RETAINING >>THE JORDAN VALLEY.
• 19:32 THE JORDAN VALLEY IS NOT JUST THE RIVERBED,
• 19:35 BUT IT IS THE EASTERN SLOPES OF >>THE WEST BANK HILL RIDGE
• 19:39 THAT FACES ARMIES IN THE FUTURE, >>TO THE EAST.
• 19:41 IT ALSO PREVENTS WEAPONRY THAT'S IN LARGE NUMBERS IN PLACES LIKE IRAQ,
• 19:47 FROM BEING SMUGGLED INTO THE WEST BANK LIKE SHOULDER FIRED MISSILES.
• 19:51 WE NEED TO HAVE THAT BARRIER IN OUR HANDS.
• 19:53 HE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT BLOCKS BEING RETAINED,
• 19:56 ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA WESTERN >>SAMARIA AND AROUND JERUSALEM
• 19:59 AND HE WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT ONE THING
• 20:00 THAT PEOPLE LATELY HAVE NOT BEEN SUFFICIENTLY CLEAR ABOUT,
• 20:03 JERUSALEM MUST REMAIN UNITED UNDER THE SOVEREIGNTY OF ISRAEL.
• 20:07 THAT WAS RABIN'S LEGACY AND THAT >>LEGACY ALSO MOTIVATES ARIEL SHARON, OUR PRIME MINISTER.
• 20:51 OF COURSE, NOW I CAN HEAR >>PALESTINIANS SAY, ALL VERY WELL, >>THE ISRAELIS CAME HERE
• 20:56 AND PUSHED US OFF OUR OWN LAND, >>CREATED REFUGEES AND OCCUPIED IT.
• 21:03 OCCUPATIONS REALLY SHOULD BE >>ILLEGAL, ANY KIND OF RESISTANCE,
• 21:06 EVEN THE U.N. SAYS ARMED RESISTANCE IS ACCEPTABLE
• 21:09 AND THEY HINGE EVERYTHING ON THE >>IDEA THEY WERE HERE,
• 21:13 THE JEWS CAME AND PUSHED THEM OFF THE LAND AND OCCUPIED IT.
• 21:18 THERE ARE REALLY TWO ISSUES THAT YOU ARE MENTIONING HERE.
• 21:20 NUMBER ONE, WHOSE LAND IS IT? >>WHO WAS HERE FIRST?
• 21:23 WELL, BIG SURPRISE FOR YOUR LISTENERS, THERE NEVER WAS A PALESTINIAN STATE.
• 21:28 IT'S NOT SUCH A BIG SURPRISE.
• 21:30 NO, I'M SAYING THAT, THERE SIMPLY WASN'T.
• 21:31 IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THERE WAS >>THIS HISTORIC STATE OF PALESTINE >>THAT EXISTED FOR CENTURIES
• 21:36 AND ISRAEL ROLLED IN AND TOOK IT.
• 21:38 THE LAND FOR THE MOST PART, THIS AREA WAS PART OF THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE 300-400 YEARS.
• 21:45 THE BRITISH TOOK IT OVER AND THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS DECIDED
• 21:49 THAT A JEWISH NATIONAL HOME SHOULD BE HERE
• 21:50 BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO LEAD THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, BACK AT THE >>END OF WWI,
• 21:55 UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS A JEWISH CLAIM TO THE LAND, IT WAS FROM THE BIBLE.
• 21:58 IT COMES FROM THE FACT THAT >>JEWS ALWAYS TRIED TO COME BACK >>TO THE LAND.
• 22:03 PEOPLE ALSO DON'T KNOW THIS.
• 22:04 DO YOU KNOW WHEN WE ACHIEVED, THE JEWISH PEOPLE ACHIEVED A JEWISH MAJORITY IN JERUSALEM?
• 22:09 WAS IT IN '67, WAS IT IN '48? >>IT WAS IN 1864, BEFORE THE BRITISH GOT HERE,
• 22:15 BEFORE THE RISE OF ZIONISM, BEFORE THEODORE HERTZEL, >>BEFORE THE BALFOUR DECLARATION,
• 22:21 JEWS WERE STREAMING BACK TO THEIR LAND
• 22:23 AND WE ALREADY HAD A JEWISH MAJORITY IN THE CITY OF JERUSALEM.
• 22:27 JERUSALEM WAS A JEWISH CITY.
• 22:28 IN THE LINCOLN ADMINISTRATION.
• 22:29 AT THE TIME THAT PRES. LINCOLN >>WAS SENDING GENERAL GRANT
• 22:32 TO MOP UP THE RESISTANCE DOWN IN THE SOUTH,
• 22:37 SO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY FACT.
• 22:41 SO WE HAVE DEEP CLAIMS TO THIS LAND,
• 22:44 IN FACT IT'S BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY PROVEN
• 22:46 THAT DURING THE YEARS THAT THE >>JEWS CAME BACK TO THE LAND,
• 22:49 THE LAND BECAME MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE TO ARABS WHO WANTED TO IMMIGRATE HERE.
• 22:54 FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT SAID >>IN 1939, PRES. ROOSEVELT,
• 22:59 MORE ARABS IMMIGRATED INTO >>PALESTINE BETWEEN WWI AND 1939 >>THAN JEWS.
• 23:06 THAT'S A STRIKING FACT. >>THAT IS STRIKING.
• 23:09 SO, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH PALESTINIAN NATIONALISM
• 23:12 IS A VERY RECENT NATIONALISM THAT ISRAEL SAYS THEY WILL ADDRESS.
• 23:16 AT THE SAME TIME, THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE
• 23:19 IN CONNECTION TO THIS LAND HAS >>TO BE UNDERSTOOD
• 23:21 AND THEREFORE WE DON'T SEE OURSELVES AS FOREIGNERS
• 23:25 OR EUROPEANS WHO HAVE COME HERE >>ON THE BACK OF EUROPEAN IMPERIALISM.
• 23:29 WE SEE OURSELVES AS THE NATURAL >>NATION THAT HAS ALWAYS HAD TITLE HERE,
• 23:34 HAS ALWAYS HAD CONNECTION HERE, >>OUR PRAYERS, OUR DREAMS
• 23:37 HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONNECTED TO THIS LAND WHEREVER WE LIVE.
• 23:40 YOU HAVEN'T EVEN MENTIONED 3,000 YEARS OF HISTORY.
• 23:45 YOU MENTIONED 1864, YOU'RE BEING MORE THAN FAIR,
• 23:48 BUT TAKE THE BIBLE AT IT'S WORD, >>ABRAHAM WAS GIVEN THE LAND 4000 YEARS AGO
• 23:55 AND KING DAVID TOOK JERUSALEM >>AND HIS ARTIFACTS ARE EVERWHERE.
• 23:58 OUR INTERNAL ASSUMPTIONS FOR >>JEWISH PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT AT >>FRIDAY NIGHT DINNER TABLE,
• 24:03 THESE WERE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE RECOGNIZED BY LEADING MEMBERS OF >>THE INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE,
• 24:08 LORD PALMERSTON SPOKE ABOUT THIS >>WHEN HE WAS BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY.
• 24:11 NAPOLEON BONAPARTE, THE RULER OF FRANCE,
• 24:13 PRESIDENT JOHN ADAMS SPOKE ABOUT >>THE JEWISH CONNECTION TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL.
• 24:16 THESE WERE FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMP- TIONS SHARED BY THE LEADERS OF THE WORLD IN THE 19TH CENTURY.
• 24:22 SO WE WEREN'T COMING TO RECLAIM >>SOMETHING OR CLAIM SOMETHING THAT WASN'T OURS,
• 24:27 WE WERE RECLAIMING SOMETHING THAT WAS OURS.
• 24:29 YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE ISSUE OF OCCUPATION.
• 24:31 I THINK THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
• 24:32 SINCE 9-11, IN PARTICULAR, MANY PALESTINIAN SPOKESMEN AND THEIR DEFENDERS
• 24:37 SAY, OF COURSE THERE'S BEEN AN >>OUTBREAK OF VIOLENCE BECAUSE THIS ISN'T TERRORISM,
• 24:44 THIS IS RESISTANCE TO OCCUPATION.
• 24:45 IT'S SAID BY PALESTINIAN SPOKESMEN, PARTICULARLY IN THE U.N. IN SECURITY COUNCIL
• 24:51 AND THIS IS USED TO JUSTIFY THE >>USE OF SUICIDE BOMBINGS,
• 24:56 SENDING AN 18 YEAR OLD PALESTINIAN KID
• 24:58 INTO A CROWDED CAFE TO KILL 30 ISRAELI TEENAGERS.
• 25:01 NOTHING JUSTIFIES THE MURDER OF >>INNOCENT CIVILIANS, NO CAUSE, NO GRIEVANCE.
• 25:05 BUT GOING BEYOND THAT FOR A >>MOMENT, IT IS A FALSE ARGUMENT.
• 25:09 I WAS AN OSLO NEGOTIATOR, I USED TO MEET WITH ARAFAT, WITH ABU MAZAN,
• 25:13 WITH THE WHOLE LEADERSHIP AND >>I CAN TELL YOU WHAT ISRAEL DID >>DURING THE OSLO ACCORDS.
• 25:18 ISRAEL TOOK THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT THAT IT HAD FOR YEARS OVER PALESTINIAN CITIES
• 25:26 AND WITHDREW THAT GOVERNMENT. >>AND WHAT DID WE PUT THERE INSTEAD,
• 25:31 THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY UNDER YASSER ARAFAT.
• 25:35 NOW, DO THE PALESTINIANS HAVE AN INDEPENDENT STATE
• 25:38 AS A RESULT OF THAT ACTION BY ISRAEL FULFILLING THE OSLO AGREEMENTS?
• 25:41 NO, BUT WERE THEY UNDER MILITARY OCCUPATION? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
• 25:45 THE WHOLE THING IS A LIE AND THE LIE IS PUT FORWARD FOR ONE REASON.
• 25:50 THE PALESTINIANS ARE SEEKING TO >>CREATE A COMPARISON
• 25:54 BETWEEN THE ISRAELI PRESENCE IN >>THE WEST BANK, IN JUDEA AND SAMARIA
• 25:59 AND THE GERMAN OCCUPATION IN EUROPE.
• 26:02 THAT'S THE SUGGESTION THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE TO EUROPEAN AUDIENCES
• 26:07 WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING SUCH A RISE OF EUROPEAN ANTI-SEMITISM.
• 26:11 THIS ARGUMENT USUALLY FALLS FLAT >>ON ITS FACE TO AMERICAN LISTENERS.
• 26:14 BUT IN EUROPE, IT HAS RESONANCE. >>THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
• 26:17 WE'LL HEAR MORE FROM DORE GOLD >>IN OUR NEXT PROGRAM.
• 26:22 OBVIOUSLY, AS HE SAYS, EUROPEAN >>SENTIMENTS TOWARD ISRAEL ARE DOWNRIGHT HOSTILE,
• 26:28 BUT I WONDER IF THEY ARE REALLY EUROPEAN.
• 26:29 TO TELL THE TRUTH, I THINK FRANCE, GERMANY, ENGLAND ARE >>JUST ABOUT LOST TO THE MUSLIMS.
• 26:34 YOU MIGHT AS WELL CALL THEM MUSLIM NATIONS.
• 26:35 ALL THIS ANTI-SEMITISM ORIGINATES WITH ARABS AND THE PEOPLE IN EUROPE,
• 26:41 IT DEFIES COMMON SENSE THAT THE PLACE WHERE THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED
• 26:44 A GENERATION OR SO LATER, THEY'RE AGAIN ANTI-SEMITIC AND WANTING TO KILL THE JEWS.
• 26:52 IT'S NOT BELIEVABLE.
• 26:53 IT'S JUST THAT THE MUSLIM TAKEOVER HAS PROGRESSED TO THAT POINT.
• 26:57 SCRIPTURE SAYS, THEY HAVE SAID, >> COME AND LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION
• 27:02 THAT THE NAME OF ISRAEL WILL BE >> NO MORE IN REMEMBRANCE.
• 27:06 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.