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• 00:01 ♪♪♪
• 00:03 male announcer: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots" with
• 00:05 insightful Bible teaching from Israel with Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
• 00:09 This week, we see how disobedience led to defeat
• 00:13 on "Joshua: More Than a Conqueror."
• 00:18 ♪♪♪
• 00:28 ♪♪♪
• 00:39 ♪♪♪
• 00:46 ♪♪♪
• 00:55 David Hart: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots."
• 00:57 I'm David Hart.
• 00:58 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
• 01:00 Jeffrey Seif: And I am Jeffrey Seif and we are over
• 01:03 halfway through with our series, yes?
• 01:05 Kirsten: It's a good one. We're learning so much.
• 01:07 Thank you.
• 01:09 Jeffrey: Well, thank the good Lord.
• 01:10 You know, I probably shouldn't even say it as "our series."
• 01:13 Ministers talk about "their messages,"
• 01:16 authors talk about "their books."
• 01:19 Bible teachers should just talk about "this story,"
• 01:22 that is to say the story on the menu today
• 01:24 isn't our story, it's not even our series.
• 01:26 It's a biblical story and there's some gory
• 01:29 in today's story, yes?
• 01:31 Kirsten: But it is our roots. I mean, it's our Jewish roots.
• 01:34 We are to learn--be inspired but also learn and today we
• 01:39 are learning about one man's greed and disobedience, how
• 01:43 it affected everybody else.
• 01:45 Jeffrey: Yeah, it's a bad story.
• 01:46 David: Yup, Dr. Seif will be teaching on location
• 01:48 in Israel but right now let's go to Joshua's story
• 01:51 of unexpected loss on the battlefield.
• 01:55 ♪♪♪
• 01:59 Joshua: Jericho was a miracle but why?
• 02:03 Why did Achan have to stay in the memories of victory
• 02:07 by hoarding all that silver and gold?
• 02:11 Adonai, you are forgiving in our succeeding loss
• 02:15 at the city of Ai.
• 02:17 A lesson learned but I grieve. I so grieve the loss of my men.
• 02:28 ♪♪♪
• 02:36 male: Sir, our loss at Ai was not your fault.
• 02:40 You rent that cloak because Achan coveted
• 02:42 the plunder of Jericho.
• 02:45 Joshua: But I'll never forget 36 men lost forever
• 02:54 because of greed.
• 02:57 The Lord gave us Jericho but he never ever said
• 03:01 that we could keep the bounty.
• 03:03 It belonged to the Lord, all of it.
• 03:07 And the city of Ai would have been ours as well,
• 03:09 if not for the simple plunder of Achan.
• 03:14 Let this be a reminder. May it never happen again.
• 03:19 male: There are only 3000 in that city.
• 03:21 We should have taken it easily.
• 03:24 Joshua: If, and only if, the Lord is well pleased
• 03:28 with our efforts.
• 03:30 "It is not by might," says the Lord.
• 03:34 Come.
• 03:44 We can still take the city of Ai.
• 03:47 Sit.
• 03:49 Let me show you what God has told me.
• 03:52 We are here, Ai is here.
• 03:55 You will lead your men to the back of the city at night to
• 03:58 this side of Bethel and wait until I summon you.
• 04:02 male: And you, sir?
• 04:04 Joshua: I will lead my men the following day north
• 04:07 and will camp here.
• 04:09 In the morning, my men will set up in the valley across from the
• 04:13 city, whereupon the men of Ai will see us and pursue us.
• 04:20 male: An ambush.
• 04:22 The city will be left vacant, unarmed.
• 04:24 Joshua: Yes, but you will not besiege the city until
• 04:27 I turn and raise my spear.
• 04:30 Then you will set the city on fire.
• 04:33 They will see the smoke ascending, then my men and I,
• 04:39 we will attack the confused lot, utterly destroying them.
• 04:45 male: Magnificent plan, sir. The battle is ours.
• 04:49 Joshua: Learn this lesson: the plan is not mine
• 04:52 and it is not yours.
• 04:54 The battle is the Lord's.
• 05:00 Jeffrey: It's been a miraculous journey.
• 05:03 The Jordan River has dried up to facilitate its crossing, the
• 05:07 mighty walls of Jericho have fallen down and now,
• 05:10 with heaven-sent cunning, Joshua leads his men
• 05:14 to yet another victory at the city of Ai.
• 05:19 Jeffrey: Ai went up in flames, finally.
• 05:24 Israel got burned beforehand, however, and in another sense,
• 05:27 and we're gonna tell that story here today.
• 05:30 It's a tragic story, actually.
• 05:33 Victory's one thing, defeat's another.
• 05:35 In the Bible we get a little bit of both.
• 05:38 Actually, in the Scripture if you look at the miraculous
• 05:42 victories so far: the parting of the sea, the Jordan,
• 05:46 the Israelites crossing through.
• 05:48 Yes, that's 17 verses for that.
• 05:51 If you look at the miracle in the war at Jericho,
• 05:55 a sum total of 27 verses for that.
• 05:59 The battle of Ai, a small city, it shouldn't have taken much.
• 06:05 It was a tragedy.
• 06:06 Eighty-one verses by my reckoning for that
• 06:11 in the Hebrew Bible.
• 06:13 Why is it that something that went horribly wrong initially,
• 06:18 that should have been relatively easy, why does the text
• 06:22 give so much attention to that?
• 06:25 I wanna look at that because there's a lesson to be
• 06:28 learned from that, in my opinion.
• 06:30 And I think that Joshua wants us to know that lesson because
• 06:34 there's so much spent on a world that went bad.
• 06:39 But first, however, you look at the end of chapter 6 in
• 06:44 the book of Joshua, it ends on a good note:
• 06:47 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 06:50 "And the Lord was with Joshua," and so it seemed, obviously
• 06:55 after a great miracle, we're told,
• 06:58 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 07:01 "and his fame spread throughout the land."
• 07:05 It ends on a very good note and then pivots.
• 07:08 By the time we get to chapter 7 we leave a triumph
• 07:13 and we go to a tragedy.
• 07:16 It should have been an easy victory.
• 07:18 The literature tells us it didn't take much.
• 07:21 The next stop on the train was a city called Ai, a small town.
• 07:25 Dispatch a small group for all intents and purposes.
• 07:29 Should have been easy, but it went bad
• 07:32 and people wondered why.
• 07:35 Why failure? Why does it happen?
• 07:38 Well, we're told in verse 1:
• 07:40 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 07:45 We're told, "The children of Israel committed a trespass
• 07:50 concerning the devoted thing."
• 07:53 Want to explore that for two reasons: number one,
• 07:55 what's the devoted thing?
• 07:57 That is that the spoils of war were not to go to the people
• 08:02 who were enacting the war, that it was to be
• 08:05 wholly devoted over to God.
• 08:08 The other thing that's interesting, it says,
• 08:10 "The children of Israel committed a trespass."
• 08:13 But not really.
• 08:15 I say that because when you read on:
• 08:17 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 08:19 "And took Achan of the devoted thing--"
• 08:22 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 08:24 As it goes on to say after listing his lineage.
• 08:27 It's interesting there was one man that sinned but tragically,
• 08:31 they all were held to be culpable for it.
• 08:36 That is to say they went to war.
• 08:39 They weren't supposed to take plunder.
• 08:40 They weren't supposed to take spoils of war, booty.
• 08:43 They weren't to have it. This is a religious issue.
• 08:46 It's not to be--this isn't an opportunity
• 08:48 for self-aggrandizement.
• 08:50 It's not a time for self-gain.
• 08:52 But he saw some loot and he took it and he seized it, contrary to
• 08:56 the command, contrary to what he was told, and this caused
• 09:01 a great loss for the Hebrews.
• 09:06 The rabbis, out of this, look at what's referred
• 09:10 to as collective responsibility: one man sins, as I'd said,
• 09:14 they all pay the price.
• 09:16 And in the Jewish world, this carries on in modernity too.
• 09:20 It's understood that every Hebrew carries the name.
• 09:24 Everyone's an ambassador of the people.
• 09:28 I liken it to, you know, if someone has a plumber and it's
• 09:31 a bad plumber, rips people off, so they'll say, "Listen,
• 09:34 we'll never call that plumber again."
• 09:36 But if the plumber's wearing a yarmulke, if he's a Hebrew, and
• 09:39 he rips the people off, doesn't do a good job, people say,
• 09:42 "Ah, those Jews."
• 09:44 There's a sense in which he represents everyone
• 09:47 and that certainly is the case here.
• 09:51 The imperative for individuals to live virtuous lives,
• 09:56 to keep their word, that sterling virtue, the more so
• 10:02 in antiquity, was inculcated into the younger generation.
• 10:07 There was a premium when acting righteously, to be righteous,
• 10:11 didn't mean just to go to church on Sundays
• 10:14 or a synagogue on Saturday.
• 10:16 To be righteous meant to live with sterling character,
• 10:20 that is to say above reproach.
• 10:23 That is to say following instruction.
• 10:26 And in this case here, don't seize that
• 10:29 which doesn't belong to you.
• 10:32 It comes in different forms: robbery, you're taking it from a
• 10:35 person; theft, you're taking it from an outside property;
• 10:39 robbery, you're taking it off of a person; burglary, you're
• 10:42 taking it from inside of a dwelling, I should say.
• 10:44 There's different ways in the penal code in America
• 10:48 that we speak of seizure.
• 10:50 It's interesting in the Hebrew Bible where the whole notion
• 10:54 of theft, taking what doesn't belong to you,
• 10:58 is--it's egregious in so many ways and so it is.
• 11:03 The battle of Ai which should have been an easy picking,
• 11:07 it turned out bad.
• 11:08 The Hebrews were defeated decisively.
• 11:11 Later, they're gonna regroup, learn the lesson.
• 11:15 It's gonna be noted in the text, the problem was Achan.
• 11:18 That's gonna be dealt with and then we'll go on to good
• 11:21 success, a story that we'll look at in the next segment
• 11:25 as we look at being more than a conqueror.
• 11:30 ♪♪♪
• 11:38 announcer: Our resource this week: the series,
• 11:40 "Joshua: More Than a Conqueror," on DVD.
• 11:43 This eight-program series reveals how Joshua went from spy
• 11:47 to Moses's apprentice and then became the faithful leader
• 11:50 of the Israelites during the conquest of the land of Canaan.
• 11:54 With dramatic reenactments, Bible teaching from Dr. Seif,
• 11:57 insight from Chaim Malespin, music, and much more.
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• 13:15 David: Yes, also we love bringing you our dramatic
• 13:17 reenactments each week, Dr. Seif's teaching in Israel.
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• 13:25 Right now, let's go to Dr. Seif in Israel as he teaches
• 13:29 in Joshua chapter 7.
• 13:34 Jeffrey: After Achan was found out, he was summarily executed.
• 13:38 And with that lesson learned and that issue tended to, then
• 13:43 the children of Israel again commenced with the taking of Ai.
• 13:48 And there's a kind of genius in this too.
• 13:51 It lacks the miraculous component that we saw with
• 13:56 the crossing of the Jordan earlier and we saw with Jericho.
• 14:00 There, it's clear there's divine agency at play.
• 14:04 Here, you have the angel of the Lord still going before
• 14:07 the people of the Lord but it really manifests with
• 14:11 a kind of creative genius, a strategy.
• 14:15 The name of the game is to get these from Ai outside
• 14:18 of the city so Joshua kind of plays the hand.
• 14:23 He strategizes to secure their departure.
• 14:29 They had already defeated the Hebrews so there's a frontal
• 14:32 assault where the Hebrews retreat and those in Ai
• 14:36 come out of the city to go get 'em.
• 14:38 Meanwhile, there were others sat in ambush
• 14:41 and when the city's vacated, they torch the city.
• 14:44 They burn the city.
• 14:47 The people look back and they realize they've been had and
• 14:50 now they're squeezed in both directions where the net result
• 14:54 is there is a decisive victory at Ai and then the king of Ai,
• 14:59 who survives the battle, is executed afterward.
• 15:01 Now, I don't want to glory in anybody's death.
• 15:05 That's not the point here.
• 15:07 And I don't even think it's the point of the story at Ai
• 15:09 because it's bookended by a religious principle
• 15:14 more so than it is a military victory.
• 15:19 I mention that because in the first segment and then
• 15:22 I developed it a little more here just at the start,
• 15:25 there was a problem with Achan who disobeyed,
• 15:30 and the disobedience cost him and Israel dearly.
• 15:36 That issue was tended to then and the Hebrews
• 15:39 enjoy good success.
• 15:41 And again in this series, we're looking at being
• 15:43 more than a conqueror.
• 15:45 Well, maybe there's a correlation
• 15:46 between success and compliance.
• 15:49 It seems to be the case because before we get out of this story,
• 15:53 the appendage to it in the 8th chapter, it's interesting.
• 15:59 In verse 30 I wanna look at it and then pivot to 32 'cause
• 16:03 there's something here that is very important.
• 16:05 We're told in the Hebrew Bible:
• 16:07 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 16:11 That is, "After this," we're told that "Joshua
• 16:14 built an altar to the Lord."
• 16:17 We saw fire to begin with and I'm sitting behind
• 16:19 one now but here, in this--
• 16:21 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 16:23 Is built an altar.
• 16:24 And then we're told in verse 32:
• 16:27 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 16:33 And there's an altar that's built and on it he'll
• 16:37 write the mission, the Torah.
• 16:41 Now, the rabbis say, you know, what are we looking at here?
• 16:44 Are we looking at just the Ten Commandments?
• 16:46 Some say that.
• 16:47 Some say the 613 commandments. Some say the whole of the Torah.
• 16:54 There are these stones that are taken and carved out,
• 16:56 some say miraculously.
• 16:58 The point is, is after the battle, "acharei mot,"
• 17:02 after the death, then you have the publishing of the Torah.
• 17:08 And the point is there's a kind of insistence that
• 17:12 obeying Torah takes precedence.
• 17:16 We're told in English that "he wrote there upon the stones
• 17:19 a copy of the law of Moses--"
• 17:23 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 17:26 "That he wrote before or in the face of all
• 17:30 the children of Israel."
• 17:33 There's two compliance stories here that I think the author
• 17:38 wants us to understand to be a secret to success.
• 17:42 There's a correlation between obedience and success in life,
• 17:47 obeying the command.
• 17:50 You hear in Scripture: "Shema Yisrael,"
• 17:52 "Hear, O Israel."
• 17:54 And it's said over and over again.
• 17:57 And for that matter, Jesus, Yeshua's on record over and
• 18:00 again saying, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."
• 18:04 Of course, people have ears and the eardrums vibrate.
• 18:07 They hear but they don't really hear.
• 18:11 But the rabbis say that hearing isn't just good enough.
• 18:13 Hear it that you may do it, that you may observe it.
• 18:18 There's the next step.
• 18:19 You have to begin by hearing and then doing,
• 18:23 and the doing translates into success in life.
• 18:28 That is to say, follow the divine instruction.
• 18:33 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 18:35 Solomon, the king of Israel, is said to have put together
• 18:38 a collection of short, pithy wisdom sayings.
• 18:43 There's a genre, a type of literature, a sappy
• 18:46 interliterature, wisdom literature.
• 18:49 You look at Proverbs, Ecclesiastes.
• 18:52 It's an example of wisdom literature, and it starts off:
• 18:56 "Hear, my son, your father's instruction.
• 19:01 Obey your mother's teaching."
• 19:03 And here's the heavenly Father and it's all
• 19:06 commended in the biblical text.
• 19:09 There's an imperative to hear the command.
• 19:13 And, by the way, to that end, that's why attending a house of
• 19:16 worship's important and what's important in that house of
• 19:20 worship is a minister that opens up the Word and people can hear
• 19:24 them and they're commended to the mind's eye of constituents.
• 19:29 And why is that?
• 19:30 Because there really is a correlation when it comes to
• 19:34 success in life between hearing the divine command and doing it.
• 19:40 Good things can happen, not just to the Jew as
• 19:44 in the case of this conquest at Ai.
• 19:46 Not just to the--not just to the people like me but people like
• 19:51 you, all of us, when we hear, when we do, like Joshua then,
• 19:57 we can be more than conquerors.
• 20:03 Jeffrey: Chaim Malespin is an officer with the Israeli Defense
• 20:06 Forces and I had an opportunity to sit down and talk to him
• 20:09 about being more than a conqueror.
• 20:11 Here, particularly, he gave voice to the importance
• 20:13 of learning to strategically think outside of the box.
• 20:19 Jeffrey: Serge, good to be with you today.
• 20:20 Thank you for being here.
• 20:22 Chaim Malespin: Thank you for having me.
• 20:23 Jeffrey: A question: the battle of Ai, very, very strategic.
• 20:27 I mean, it seems to me there is a leader of the Israeli
• 20:30 Defense Forces that's thinking outside of the box.
• 20:33 There's genius there.
• 20:35 How much of an emphasis is placed on strategy
• 20:37 in military today?
• 20:40 Chaim: Absolutely there is.
• 20:42 And there's also this thinking outside the box and solving
• 20:44 problems, even doing something that might seem like not the
• 20:48 conventional way, such as in October 17, 1973, Yom Kippur
• 20:52 War, I remember down in the Sinai Peninsula, the Suez Canal,
• 20:56 they said, "Let's do a water bridge that floats on
• 20:59 the water and drive the tanks across and let us
• 21:01 surround the third army of the Egyptians."
• 21:03 And everyone thought, "That's--how's that gonna
• 21:05 ever work?"
• 21:06 But we did.
• 21:08 We carried that out and that helped us win the entire
• 21:09 Sinai Peninsula and--which we then later gave back.
• 21:12 But it's thinking outside the box.
• 21:14 Jeffrey: Yeah, strategy and a little bit of chutzpah, yes?
• 21:16 Chaim: Precisely.
• 21:17 Jeffrey: Now, I wanna pivot from that because we're watching
• 21:20 this program, people are watching it, and they need
• 21:22 biblical medicine for their life's assorted hurts.
• 21:26 Would people do well to learn to think outside of the box,
• 21:30 to get some creative solutions, and move forward with those?
• 21:33 Chaim: Well, absolutely; and I think a lesson from the
• 21:36 Bible is when you trust in your commander, he's our commander,
• 21:39 of course, Yeshua is our friend, our Savior,
• 21:42 but he's also our commander.
• 21:43 And when something is said, we have to say, "I will see
• 21:45 this mission through and I will trust the orders
• 21:47 that I've been given from above."
• 21:49 And I love how Orde Windgate--this man,
• 21:51 he's a Christian man.
• 21:53 You'd think, "Why would he care about training the IDF?"
• 21:55 He started when it was the Irgun, the Palmach,
• 21:57 the Lehi, and the Haganah.
• 21:58 And he trained these people even against the
• 22:01 British Army orders sometimes.
• 22:03 Would train these guys and he actually was in En Harod, which
• 22:06 is Gideon Spring, and he got so inspired by how these biblical
• 22:09 characters were able to go and advance and take ground
• 22:15 and see the mission to successful fruition.
• 22:17 Jeffrey: People have to learn to think strategically, yes,
• 22:20 and it's great to be around strategic thinkers.
• 22:23 Chaim: It is. They're inspirational.
• 22:24 To this day, I'm close friends with some of those
• 22:26 commanders of mine in the army.
• 22:29 Jeffrey: We're looking to get some of that inspiration
• 22:31 and some of that strategic thinking in Joshua.
• 22:33 Thank you for helping us pin some things down today.
• 22:36 Chaim: Thank you for having me.
• 22:39 ♪♪♪
• 22:44 ♪ A land of milk and honey, ♪
• 22:46 ♪ a land to call your own. ♪
• 22:48 ♪ I give to you my promise, ♪
• 22:50 ♪ I give to you my own. ♪
• 22:52 ♪ And these are my commandments, ♪
• 22:54 ♪ I give to you this day. ♪
• 22:56 ♪ The Lord thy God commands you ♪
• 22:58 ♪ to follow in his way. ♪
• 23:00 ♪♪♪
• 23:04 ♪ His everlasting promise, ♪
• 23:06 ♪ his promise cannot fail. ♪
• 23:11 ♪ The people of the Torah, ♪
• 23:14 ♪ the people of the Word. ♪
• 23:16 ♪ The kingdom of the prophets, ♪
• 23:18 ♪ the kingdom of the Lord. ♪
• 23:20 ♪ A Promised Land that's holy, ♪
• 23:22 ♪ a Promised Land that's true. ♪
• 23:24 ♪ The land I gave to Abram, ♪
• 23:26 ♪ that land I give to you. ♪
• 23:28 ♪♪♪
• 23:32 ♪ His everlasting promise, ♪
• 23:34 ♪ his promise cannot fail. ♪
• 23:36 ♪♪♪
• 23:40 ♪ His everlasting promise, ♪
• 23:42 ♪ his promise cannot fail. ♪
• 23:47 ♪♪♪
• 23:49 David: That is music from our founder, Zola Levitt.
• 23:51 And also, Dr. Seif, you sat down with Chaim Malespin.
• 23:55 We love spending time with him. He's a brother.
• 23:57 Jeffrey: Yes, and a soldier, and he made some great points too
• 24:00 that really dovetail with the story today and that is that
• 24:04 you can see Joshua getting plans that are strategic in nature
• 24:09 and that not only is important in battles long ago.
• 24:13 Similarly, Chaim gives voice to strategic thinking and planning
• 24:20 that goes behind the Israeli Defense Forces today.
• 24:24 Sometimes we just get stuck in a way of thinking and being but
• 24:28 we need to step back and think outside of the box, get a little
• 24:32 creative and move forward based on new ways of thinking.
• 24:36 I mean, we need to do it in our life.
• 24:38 There was a feeling that we needed to do that
• 24:40 in our ministry, in fact.
• 24:42 If anybody that calls "Zola Levitt Presents" calls "Our
• 24:46 Jewish Roots" it's the same people that answer the phone.
• 24:49 The mail goes to the same place, it's the same set, but God
• 24:52 blessed Zola went on to his reward over a decade ago.
• 24:54 We thought we needed to be a little more strategic.
• 24:57 Zola Levitt was all about presenting our Jewish roots so
• 25:01 let's go with the message, even in the absence of the messenger.
• 25:04 It's something strategic but necessary in order to advance
• 25:08 in the new economy, yes?
• 25:10 David: I was gonna say many of us watching today, and I can
• 25:12 relate to this, we haven't been a soldier, our son has,
• 25:16 but how can we relate to this story with Joshua
• 25:19 as we haven't been in the military?
• 25:22 Jeffrey: Well, I haven't been a soldier either, but I have
• 25:25 a career in law enforcement serving on the streets as
• 25:27 a patrol sergeant and in command at a police academy.
• 25:30 And I don't wanna overstate that.
• 25:32 I haven't been off in a battlefield, save
• 25:34 for the urban jungle itself.
• 25:36 While it's true if someone has those experiences, they can
• 25:39 relate to military stories, but life's a struggle at the end of
• 25:42 the day for all of us and we all have bad circumstances
• 25:46 to overcome, difficult people to overcome, and if God has
• 25:50 a call on our life, hell has an assignment against us,
• 25:53 we all have an adversary at the end of the day.
• 25:55 David: I'm sorry to say this but it happens even in the church
• 25:59 that we have to go through some battles once in a while.
• 26:01 Jeffrey: Because a church is constituted with people.
• 26:03 Once I told a chief of police complaining about an officer,
• 26:06 "If you want perfection, if Jesus Christ wants to come
• 26:08 and wear your uniform you're good to go.
• 26:10 Other than that, all you have are mortals."
• 26:12 Kirsten: Well, on mortals, it's mortals that have done
• 26:17 something wrong that God said, "Do not take plunder."
• 26:20 He took plunder, he was disobedient, he tried
• 26:23 to hide it, and it affected everyone.
• 26:27 That's my personal takeaway from this.
• 26:29 We don't think it affects other people.
• 26:31 Jeffrey: That notion of collective responsibility,
• 26:33 I mean, what people do, there are certain sins.
• 26:36 You know, someone committing--can commit
• 26:38 adultery and God will forgive with repentance.
• 26:40 It doesn't mean your children will.
• 26:42 At the end of the day, there are consequences to actions.
• 26:45 Happily, with the good news we all, however, have
• 26:48 the opportunity to press a reset button and
• 26:50 that's good news for all of us.
• 26:53 Kirsten: It is.
• 26:55 Jeffrey: [sighing] It's all over; what a story.
• 26:58 Hey, thanks for helping us tell it, by the way.
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