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• 00:02 The issue is not Israel and I think Americans should wake up to reality.
• 00:06 The reality is that Iran develops capability
• 00:09 in order to advance their mega-historical goal,
• 00:13 domination of the Gulf and the Sunni Muslim world.
• 00:16 In order to attain that goal they have to remove what they perceive to be the mega-obstacle
• 00:22 which has nothing to do with Israel.
• 00:24 It's the U.S. military power projection.
• 00:33 This know also that in the last days perilous times shall come.
• 00:39 Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived.
• 00:47 But continue in the Holy Scriptures
• 00:50 which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
• 01:10 Shalom and welcome to our program...I'm Myles Weiss
• 01:12 And I'm Katharine Weiss
• 01:14 We hope you're enjoying our new set.
• 01:16 It's the year of "the open door" in Hebrew...5774
• 01:20 And so here we are...
• 01:21 a new set...a new open door for us to bring you the same message with the same meaning
• 01:26 because God is on the move.
• 01:28 Yeshua said in Matthew 25 that He would gather the nations to judge them
• 01:32 and we're seeing that setup in the world today aren't we?
• 01:35 Absolutely...we need to view current events through the lens of the scripture.
• 01:39 And like you always said Myles the headlines are catching up with the Bible.
• 01:43 Exactly...we have the final word in scripture so we know it's a good story.
• 01:47 It has a happy ending.
• 01:49 We're in good shape but there may be some bumps along the way.
• 01:51 In this program today we're going to hear from two fantastic speakers;
• 01:55 Bill Koenig of "watch.org"
• 01:58 and Yoram Ettinger who is an Israeli spokesman...
• 02:00 a "think tank", a consultant and one of the greatest voices today
• 02:05 regarding politics and the way they're shaping up to really line up with the scriptures.
• 02:09 So without any further ado
• 02:11 let's go to Todd Baker our staff theologian as he interviews these two men.
• 02:17 Well it's a very interesting perspective because Obama said over and over again
• 02:21 especially since March of last year that he has Israel's back.
• 02:25 And at the same time he's been putting people in positions
• 02:28 such as Chuck Hagel and John Brennan in the CIA.
• 02:32 Samantha Power is his UN Ambassador
• 02:36 and also Susan Rice is the National Security Counsel Head..
• 02:41 that are not extremely pro-Israel.
• 02:43 So that obviously concerned a lot of us.
• 02:45 At the same time Obama's reassuring the people
• 02:48 and especially the Jewish people that helped put him in office.
• 02:51 He ran a brilliant campaign
• 02:53 and that's really how he got elected not only in 2008 but in 2012 as well.
• 02:57 So from our Biblical lens we're concerned about the fact
• 03:03 that the recent deal in Geneva with the P5
• 03:08 which is the five members of the UN Security Council...
• 03:11 Russian, China, France, Britain and the United States
• 03:16 and Germany the plus one is a bad deal.
• 03:20 It's a bad deal for Israel; it's a bad deal for the Middle East but a good deal for Iran.
• 03:25 So we started to look at the scriptures more carefully
• 03:27 and obviously that's the lens which we watch the Middle East
• 03:31 and we looked at Jeremiah 49:35-39...
• 03:35 Okay
• 03:38 ...which is a very interesting area of prophecy that's not talked about very often
• 03:43 but it talks about Elam which is Persian which would be Iran.
• 03:48 And this particular area speaks of Elam being devastated
• 03:52 in a conflict where they will be broken...
• 03:55 which the bow, their military, the missile launching...
• 03:58 that they will deal and experience a devastating blow.
• 04:02 And as you see the week that they are meeting in Geneva, Switzerland
• 04:06 Khamenei and Ruwani and the other leaders of Iran
• 04:11 were speaking horrible things about Israel.
• 04:14 They called them a rabid dog.
• 04:15 They were saying we're going to eliminate this Zionist entity.
• 04:18 This is at the same time the International Community is negotiating in Geneva.
• 04:21 That should be immediately a reason for them to step away...
• 04:24 That's a big red flag right there.
• 04:26 Exactly
• 04:27 So as Bible prophecy is, what is written will happen
• 04:31 and that's why we're looking as they LORD is allowing this leadership in Iran
• 04:37 to become more boisterous and vocal and more...
• 04:41 Militant...
• 04:42 ...Militant
• 04:43 That He is going to allow this to happen
• 04:45 and they're going to experience in my belief a devastating defeat.
• 04:49 Their people will be spread far and wide
• 04:52 and that the Gospel will be spread throughout Iran like never before.
• 04:57 Amen
• 04:59 Well you know and I'm sure you've heard of the historical analogy
• 05:02 Obama suing for "peace" with Iran is like Nevelle Chamberlain in 1938 in Munich.
• 05:11 We have peace in our time and he waived the white paper.
• 05:13 I kind of see the same thing being done today with this recent new deal with Iran.
• 05:18 What are your thoughts on that?
• 05:20 I absolutely agree with you.
• 05:22 We're hearing a lot of people talk about that.
• 05:24 People in Israel, within the administration, and also Charles Krauthammer.
• 05:28 A lot of us appreciate his work here in the states with FOX.
• 05:32 He said the same thing.
• 05:33 A lot of people are comparing the Chamberlain/Hitler agreement
• 05:36 with the U.S. P5 Groups deal with Iran.
• 05:42 A lot of parallels...I mean do you not see this as a dangerous entity?
• 05:47 Do you not realize that 56% of the world's oil is right there
• 05:52 in the Persian Gulf and inside of Iraq and inside of Saudi Arabia?
• 05:56 Do you not know that this is a conflict between Shia Islam and Sunni Islam?
• 06:01 Do you know for the fact that Saudi Arabia is petrified of a nuclear Iran?
• 06:06 They believe that they will be second after Israel.
• 06:10 Do you not read...
• 06:12 I mean this Intel...
• 06:14 I mean do you not believe the Intel that you're reading
• 06:16 about this dangerous precedent that's being set in the Persian Gulf?
• 06:20 And if Iran controls that oil through the Persian Gulf
• 06:23 it will bring the world economies to their knees.
• 06:26 It's flabbergasting really to be honest with you.
• 06:29 Correct me if I'm wrong...
• 06:31 this agreement also still allows Iran to continue with nuclear enrichment.
• 06:38 Yes, enrichment...
• 06:39 I believe it's up to 5 percent...
• 06:42 it might be up to 20 percent
• 06:44 but basically everything they've pretty much have already been working on
• 06:48 they have another 6 month period of pretty much work that they need to be in their estimation
• 06:57 needs to complete the weaponry of the development of their nuclear bomb.
• 07:03 I don't have all the specifics but I do read to summarize it...
• 07:07 yes those things that were most crucial in terms of stopping this
• 07:13 will not really be addressed fully until about 6 months out
• 07:17 and very likely Iran will already be finished.
• 07:22 You know it reminds me of when President Clinton was negotiating with North Korea
• 07:27 and he believed they're going to stop their endeavor to try to get nuclear weaponry
• 07:32 and they made a deal and of course we know that North Korea reneged on it.
• 07:37 Well that's a perfect parallel.
• 07:39 Senator Cruz brought that out this week.
• 07:41 He did a great job of explaining the Clinton hopes
• 07:45 with the 1994 agreement with Korea and North Korea
• 07:49 and the fact that it hasn't worked at all.
• 07:52 And the other sad irony to this is the fact that North Korea is working very closely with Iran
• 07:59 That's true
• 08:00 ...on how to disguise your program
• 08:02 and also they believe that a lot of the potential missile launching capabilities
• 08:07 will be perfected in that North Korean-Iranian relationship
• 08:12 without anything being done on Iran's shore
• 08:16 in terms of a longer more sophisticated missile.
• 08:19 I do know for a fact that Iran has made significant inroads over the last 24 to 36 months
• 08:29 in as far as their short term...
• 08:31 I should put it this way...
• 08:33 short range missile capabilities that puts those Persian Gulf countries at risk.
• 08:39 This is a great interest and a great concern to those countries because...
• 08:43 and that's from one of Israel's top missile experts, Uzi Rubin
• 08:48 who helped develop the aero-missile defense system.
• 08:51 He's the one that said they made incredible leaps in technology over the last few years
• 08:56 and that has a lot of people concerned.
• 08:59 And then the ICBM is what North Korea and Iran is working on that would put Europe
• 09:03 as well as Russia and the United States at risk of a long range future nuclear target.
• 09:12 Well we're certainly right at the threshold of so many end time events
• 09:17 and all of this that's going on is certainly precipitating that isn't it?
• 09:21 Well its right there you know.
• 09:23 The time clock is Jerusalem.
• 09:26 That's God's time clock
• 09:27 and the nations of the world are still obsessed with the dividing of the land of Israel.
• 09:32 Let's put it this way, the nations of the world, the leadership of the world
• 09:39 wants to make Judea and Samaria an Arab state.
• 09:46 It is so important to understand Israel in these times that we're living in.
• 09:50 If we don't understand the view of Israel according to scripture...
• 09:54 it's like taking the hands off the clock
• 09:57 and we won't know what time we're in in this prophetic time that we're standing in.
• 10:01 That's exactly right...Israel is the prophetic time clock.
• 10:04 And as things are intensifying in the earth and as the nations are setting up
• 10:09 getting ready to come against Jerusalem according to scripture
• 10:11 good news as well...
• 10:13 Hormoz Shariat, a good friend of ours is preaching the Gospel every evening into Iran
• 10:18 and so there are people getting saved by the hundreds sometimes by the thousands
• 10:21 because of the Gospel going forth into Iran in Farsi in their own language.
• 10:27 And it's a wonderful story that we never hear about. That's right
• 10:29 And so you need to know that there are good things happening among the Persian people.
• 10:33 We'll be back after this.
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• 12:12 The scripture says in Joel 4:14,
• 12:15 (Speaking Hebrew)
• 12:18 That multitudes; multitudes in the valley of decision
• 12:22 And the nations are being set up; they're going to come against Jerusalem.
• 12:25 We see that happening.
• 12:26 We're going to bring you Yoram Etinger.
• 12:29 Todd interviewed him He is a voice from Israel.
• 12:32 He is an ambassador level voice, he's an insider and he runs a think tank in Israel.
• 12:37 So let's go to that interview now.
• 12:41 Well in my assessment this agreement reflects determination by the Whitehouse
• 12:46 to learn from history by repeating rather than avoiding mistakes...
• 12:54 mistakes which were committed in the negotiation with North Korea.
• 13:00 The fact is that for 50 years the current methodology was used also with North Korea
• 13:07 and the output is very obvious...
• 13:10 another anti-American rogue regime with nuclear power in North Korea.
• 13:18 For 50 years they tried negotiation and diplomacy
• 13:21 and economic sanctions and carrots and sticks
• 13:25 and they were testing to no avail.
• 13:28 For the last 30 years the same methodology has been employed with Iran
• 13:33 and here we are at the end of the last lap of the Iranian nuclear marathon.
• 13:39 And once again we hear that there's a chance for diplomacy
• 13:44 as if we haven't had a 50 year and a 30 year track record.
• 13:48 The other concerning issue is that this agreement could very well catapult Iran
• 13:56 from a medium size tactical controllable threat
• 14:01 to a supersize uncontrollable strategic threat
• 14:07 with apocalyptic vision which does not render itself to mutual assured destruction.
• 14:14 The difference between a nuclear Iran and a nuclear Soviet Union
• 14:20 is the Soviet Union were constrained by their own concern for mutual assured destruction.
• 14:27 The apocalyptic nature of the Iranian regime
• 14:31 does not lend itself to be concerned about mutual assured destruction
• 14:36 and we can get a glimpse of what is this regime all about when we go back to the war against Iraq
• 14:42 where they sent 500,000 youngsters to clear mine fields
• 14:48 in order to facilitate the war against Iraq.
• 14:51 There are those who claim that Iran is just like North Korea no big danger to the global safety.
• 14:58 The difference is North Korea does not harbor any imperialistic megalomaniac
• 15:04 aspirations to control Asia, to control the world.
• 15:08 Iran does...Iran wants to dominate the Gulf,
• 15:11 Iran wants to dominate the Sunni Muslim world;
• 15:14 Iran wants to dominate consequently the rest of the world.
• 15:18 This has been their world view and therefore a nuclear Iran
• 15:22 would build more insanity to an already increasingly insane world.
• 15:28 Yeah and Iran has always said before and now after this deal
• 15:34 which I think is no better than the deal that Neville Chamberlain made with Hitler
• 15:39 and we saw where that went.
• 15:41 Iran has stated from the outset and continues to state
• 15:44 that one of their first objectives is to destroy Israel.
• 15:48 Well the issue is not Israel and I think that Americans should wake up to a reality.
• 15:53 The reality is that Iran develops the capability
• 15:57 in order to advance their mega historical goal
• 16:01 domination of the Gulf and the Sunni Muslim world.
• 16:03 In order to attain that goal they have to remove what they perceive to be the mega obstacle
• 16:10 which has nothing to do with Israel...
• 16:12 it's the U.S. military power projection in the Gulf,
• 16:15 in the Indian Ocean, the Middle East at large.
• 16:18 And in order to remove that mega obstacle they develop the mega capability which is nuclear.
• 16:25 It has nothing to do with Israel,
• 16:27 not the Arab-Israeli conflict,
• 16:29 not the Palestinian issue.
• 16:31 The problem is that the U.S. negotiates with Iran
• 16:35 as if Iran is a rogue regime which considers peaceful coexistence.
• 16:41 With such rogue regimes it pays off to negotiate but Iran is a different type of rogue regime.
• 16:47 While they negotiate with John Kerry and Obama
• 16:51 they support the killing of Americans in Afghanistan,
• 16:54 they support subversion in the pro-American Arab oil producing regimes in the Persian Gulf,
• 17:01 they collaborate with Venezuela to stir up anti-American feeling sentiments in Latin America,
• 17:09 they are the number one patron of anti-American Islamic terrorism
• 17:14 including scores of sleeper cells in your own continent
• 17:19 and at the same we hear that they are partners to a peaceful negotiation...
• 17:23 Peaceful negotiation and the Ayatollah's regime in Tehran are a classic case of oxymoron.
• 17:32 Yes and there certainly is a clear and present danger now.
• 17:36 You had referenced North Korea,
• 17:39 and Obama I think is making the same mistake President Clinton made
• 17:43 when he thought he could negotiate with North Korea and get them to cut back
• 17:48 and altogether stop their nuclear program and of course they were stringing him along.
• 17:52 Well in fact the leader of the chief negotiator with North Korea is exactly...
• 17:58 Oh I didn't know that.
• 18:00 ...the same person who could today negotiate with Iran, Miss Wendy Sherman.
• 18:04 Miss Wendy Sherman was Mr. Clinton's chief negotiator.
• 18:08 She failed miserably with North Korea.
• 18:11 She is given now another chance and guess what?
• 18:14 She's following exactly the same path of once again concessions, once again appeasement,
• 18:21 one again diplomacy and testing intentions which did not work with North Korea,
• 18:27 has not worked with Iran
• 18:29 and there's no reason why one should think logically it will work again with Iran.
• 18:37 Well in light of this of course
• 18:39 Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister of Israel has boldly and courageously stood up and denounced this.
• 18:45 What will Israel do in light of let's say Iran continues down a road of nuclear acquisition.
• 18:55 What do you see the state of Israel doing?
• 18:57 Well it seems to me that again after 30 years of failed economic sanctions and diplomacy
• 19:03 this is the time to reach a common sense conclusion.
• 19:08 And the common sense conclusion is that those who are intimidated by threat of war
• 19:14 are bringing war in fact that much closer to the free world
• 19:19 and therefore there is only one working option.
• 19:23 And this is pre-emption, a military pre-emption
• 19:26 and I emphasize... with no boots on the ground.
• 19:29 There's no need to employ boots on the ground.
• 19:33 If one wants to obliterate the nuclear infrastructure in Iran
• 19:39 it would be much easier for the U.S. but it will be also possible for Israel.
• 19:44 For the U.S. you have a huge military presence in Bahrain,
• 19:49 in Saudi Arabia, in the Persian Gulf, in the Indian Ocean.
• 19:53 It would be a medium sized military exercise
• 19:57 with bunker busters, sophisticated missile warheads launched at those missile bases.
• 20:05 For Israel it would be significantly more complex
• 20:10 but this has been the story of Jewish history... very complex history.
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• 21:01 The Jewish nation was established because everywhere the Jewish people went
• 21:06 they were persecuted, hounded and threatened.
• 21:11 And then with the Shoah finally they realized
• 21:14 we've got to go back to our home where we belong.
• 21:17 Not only where we belong
• 21:19 but where we serve the interests of the free world in the most effective way.
• 21:26 It's time for people in the U.S. to realize
• 21:29 that there's only one...only one affective ally for the U.S.
• 21:35 not only in the Middle East but anywhere in the world...
• 21:38 namely Israel is the only ally of the U.S.A.
• 21:41 with both capabilities as well as will power.
• 21:45 You have many allies with capabilities in Europe but they have lost God...
• 21:49 they have lost faith...
• 21:51 they have lost confidence and they don't have the will power...Israel is the only one.
• 21:56 And at the time when the Arab Tsunami is sweeping
• 22:00 more and more to our American elements in the Arab world
• 22:04 at the time when the Arab Tsunami highlights the unpredictability...
• 22:07 the unreliability...
• 22:09 the treacherous, the violent intolerant nature of the Arab Islamic Middle East...
• 22:15 this is the time when Israel is more and more highlighted
• 22:19 as the only stable and reliable and capable commercially and militarily,
• 22:24 the only democratic and most importantly the only unconditional ally of the U.S.
• 22:31 And while the U.S. is in retreat from Iraq and Afghanistan
• 22:35 and cuts dramatically the defense budget while the threats to the U.S. are mounting
• 22:41 and Russia and China penetrate deeper and deeper into the Middle East and beyond,
• 22:47 the only element in the entire world that can breach the gap
• 22:52 between the shortening American strategic hand on one hand
• 22:56 and the increasing threats and the needs is Israel.
• 23:01 And therefore the alliance between U.S.A. and Israel
• 23:05 is much more appropriate and natural at this time of the Arab Tsunami and the Iranian threat.
• 23:12 The tragedy is that this agreement signed with nuclear Iran...
• 23:18 this agreement is in line with American policy visa with Syria and visa with Egypt, etc.
• 23:24 proves once again that the American Administration
• 23:28 is intent to focus on the tumbleweeds in the Middle East
• 23:33 while it is being smothered by an Egyptian sandstorm,
• 23:37 Syrian sandstorm, Iranian sandstorm, Islamic sandstorms
• 23:42 and here they are dealing with a Palestinian tumbleweed
• 23:46 which is along the road there in the Middle East.
• 23:51 It's really sad at a time when the U.S. and the Obama administration
• 23:56 needs to strengthen their ties with Israel.
• 23:59 They seem to be through this deal with Iran...
• 24:03 they seem to be greatly weakening those ties
• 24:06 and it's troubling for us here in America who support Israel
• 24:10 for political as well as theological reasons.
• 24:14 It's frustrating for us.
• 24:15 But one should pay attention
• 24:18 that luckily the American political system does not allow for a monarch...
• 24:24 Right...
• 24:26 does not allow for a single dominant branch of government
• 24:30 And today we experience unprecedented
• 24:33 U.S - Israel strategic cooperation, economic cooperation
• 24:38 not because of the Whitehouse...
• 24:41 sometimes even in spite of the Whitehouse
• 24:43 but primarily because this is the will of the American people,
• 24:47 this is the will of their representatives on Capitol Hill, the House and the Senate
• 24:54 and most importantly this is an outcome
• 24:57 of the unprecedented mutual threats facing both the U.S. and Israel
• 25:03 built on top a very healthy unique foundations of shared Judeo-Christian values.
• 25:10 We don't have any other set of relationships as we do have with the U.S.
• 25:16 where it is bottom up type of relations unlike all others which are up to the bottom.
• 25:25 I so appreciate Yoram Etinger's viewpoint.
• 25:27 He speaks politically yet you can hear the wisdom of the word behind what he's saying
• 25:32 and really he draws a parallel,
• 25:34 the connection between America and Israel
• 25:37 and the importance of that shared destiny...doesn't he?
• 25:40 Yeah, they're the people of the Book...right?
• 25:42 And God has intended us as a nation to stand and align ourselves with His Book.
• 25:49 When we do we're able to see clearly what's happening in these days.
• 25:53 The world always wants to focus on giving the Palestinians a nation and dividing Israel
• 26:00 but there's a real danger in that.
• 26:02 We see it in scripture in Joel.
• 26:05 But if we pray that the surrounding nations
• 26:08 would align themselves with what God wants for them
• 26:11 which is to absorb these Palestinians into their nation
• 26:16 there wouldn't be such a war going on Myles.
• 26:19 It's a big prayer that we're reaching for
• 26:22 that the surrounding nations would absorb their Arab brothers and sisters into their nations.
• 26:27 The alliance between Israel and America is appropriate and natural.
• 26:32 We heard Etinger say it's the only democracy in the Middle East and they're there to stay.
• 26:37 Amos 9:15 said that we would be planted in the land never to be uprooted again.
• 26:42 In fact we have a friend that we just sent to Israel
• 26:45 to help harvest the grapes with the orthodox Jews
• 26:47 in the mountains of Samaria in the heartland of Israel.
• 26:51 That's fulfilling scripture.
• 26:52 And scripture is being fulfilled.
• 26:53 Even the Rabbis in the mountains of Samaria have said
• 26:56 that this is of God, this prophetic ending is of God.
• 26:59 Zachariah 12:9 tells us
• 27:01 (Speaking Hebrew)
• 27:05 The nations will come against Jerusalem.
• 27:08 And that's why in these days more than ever
• 27:10 we need to stand with the people of Israel and with the City of Jerusalem.
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