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Caption transcript for Revelation: “A License to Kill” with Walid Shoebat (4/6)

• 00:39 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:41 THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL PROGRAM.
• 00:43 WALID SHOEBAT IS BACK WITH US.
• 00:45 HE'S A CONVERTED PALESTINIAN TERRORIST.
• 00:49 HE ONCE CARRIED A BOMB AND NOW HE'S COME TO THE LORD
• 00:52 AND HE'S HERE TO, IN A KIND OF SPECIAL MINISTRY TODAY.
• 00:57 WE SENT KEN BERG, OUR PRODUCER OVER TO ISRAEL AND HE VISITED A MILITARY PRISON
• 01:03 AND HE INTERVIEWED PALESTINIAN PRISONERS.
• 01:07 NOW, THESE ARE GUYS THAT GOT CAUGHT AND HAVE DONE CRIMES
• 01:11 AND IN SOME CASES HAVE ARRANGED FOR PEOPLE TO BE KILLED, IF NOT KILLED THEM THEMSELVES.
• 01:16 KEN GAVE THEM A CHANCE TO AIR WHATEVER GRIEVANCES THEY HAVE,
• 01:20 TO SPEAK FREELY AS IS ALWAYS OUR POLICY AND THEN WALID, WHO WAS THERE,
• 01:26 I MEAN HE WAS A TERRORIST, HE'S BEEN THERE,
• 01:28 HE KNOWS THIS SUBJECT AND HE'S GOING TO COMMENT ON EACH PRISONER'S TALK.
• 01:34 SO, WE'RE GOING TO GO OUR LOCATION, WHICH IS A PRISON NEAR BEERSHEBA, ISRAEL.
• 01:39 THE PRISON HERE AT BEERSHEBA IS SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS THE AL HADIM KADAR PRISON,
• 01:45 THE TENTS OF KADAR, BECAUSE IT WAS IN THIS REGION
• 01:49 THAT ABRAHAM PITCHED HIS TENTS SOME 3900 YEARS AGO.
• 01:53 THE IMMENSE STRUCTURE IS SURROUNDED BY HEAVILY FORTIFIED WALLS,
• 01:57 WATCHTOWERS AN ELECTRIC FENCE, BARBED WIRE AND WATCH DOGS.
• 02:01 THERE ARE ABOUT 2000 PRISONERS HERE, OF WHICH 1500 ARE CONVICTED TERRORIST.
• 02:06 THE FIRST PRISONER KEN TALKED TO WAS RAID ABU HOMMUS.
• 02:11 I WAS A MEMBER OF FATAH MOVEMENT AND WHEN INTIFADAS STARTS,
• 02:17 WE HAD TO CALL THAT WE FIGHT AGAINST THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION IF IT GETS TO THE CITIES,
• 02:24 PALESTINIAN CITIES AND WHAT HAPPENED IN 2002,
• 02:29 ALL THE PALESTINIANS SHARED IN THE STRUGGLE, IT WAS A WAR
• 02:34 AND WE WERE CAUGHT LATER AFTER WE GET IN THE CITY AND I'M JUDGED TO BE HERE FOR 10 YEARS.
• 02:44 (KEN) WHAT DID THEY CATCH YOU ACTUALLY DOING?
• 02:47 WHEN THEY CAUGHT ME I WAS NOTHING, I WAS IN A FRIEND'S HOUSE.
• 02:51 (KEN) YOU WERE CONVICTED OF SOMETHING.
• 02:55 YEAH, I'M CONVICTED ABOUT BEING A MEMBER IN FATAH MOVEMENT
• 02:59 AND IN THE MILITARY WING FOR FATAH MOVEMENTS.
• 03:02 IT'S CALLED (ARABIC)
• 03:04 AND I HAVE ACTIVITIES LIKE SHOOTING AT ISRAELI TANKS WHEN IT GOT TO OUR LAND.
• 03:12 I HAVE ACTIVITY TO BE A MEMBER IN THIS MILITARY WING AND ABOUT HAVING WEAPONS.
• 03:18 WALID, HIS FIRST JUSTIFICATION FOR ALL THAT HE DOES IS THE OCCUPATION.
• 03:26 TO ME THAT'S A RED HERRING.
• 03:29 THERE'S NO OCCUPATION.
• 03:31 I THINK THE REAL OCCUPATION WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING ZOLA,
• 03:33 IS THE OCCUPATION OF THE MINDS OF CHILDREN.
• 03:36 WHAT IS OCCUPYING THIS CHILD'S MIND TO GO AND WANT TO KILL JEWS, LEFT, RIGHT AND CENTER
• 03:42 FOR NO OTHER REASON, JUST BECAUSE HE LEARNED IT IN SCHOOL
• 03:46 OR HIS EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM TAUGHT HIM THAT.
• 03:48 SECOND OF ALL, ISRAEL IS NOT AN OCCUPATION.
• 03:51 ISRAEL ACTUALLY LIBERATED THAT LAND FROM KING HUSSEIN.
• 03:54 THE JORDANIANS OCCUPIED IT ILLEGALLY.
• 03:57 ONLY 2 COUNTRIES SUPPORTED THAT OCCUPATION, WHICH WAS PAKISTAN AND GREAT BRITAIN
• 04:02 AND THE WORLD COMMUNITY REJECTED THE OCCUPATION OF JORDAN OF THAT AREA.
• 04:07 THE ISRAELIS, IN REALITY, LIBERATED THAT LAND,
• 04:10 IN 1967, >>IN 1967
• 04:11 AND I WAS THERE WHEN 5 ARAB ARMIES ATTACKED ISRAEL,
• 04:15 WANTED TO DESTROY ISRAEL FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
• 04:17 SO, IN REALITY IT WAS A LIBERATION AND THIS IS JUST A PLAY ON TERMINOLOGY.
• 04:21 IT'S BEEN GOING ON FROM EONS OF TIME.
• 04:23 AND THE FUNNY PART IS IN THE WHOLE WORLD, EVERYBODY IS OCCUPYING THE LAND THEY'RE IN.
• 04:30 I MEAN, WE WHITE EUROPEANS ARE OCCUPYING THIS NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT,
• 04:34 WE WEREN'T MADE HERE, WE CAME HERE.
• 04:36 SO, IT IS EVERYWHERE EXCEPT ISRAEL, WHICH HAS A GRANT FOR ITS LAND
• 04:41 AND HAS BEEN IN IT FOR 4000 YEARS.
• 04:44 AND YOU HEAR THAT 40 YEARS OF OCCUPATION, IMAGINE 40 YEARS OF OCCUPATION,
• 04:48 WELL THE AMERICAN INDIAN WOULD SAY, 200 YEARS OF OCCUPATIONS.
• 04:52 THE MEXICANS WOULD SAY, SPANIARDS OCCUPIED THEIR COUNTRY AND YOU CAN GO ON,
• 04:57 LET'S LIBERATE AUSTRALIA, YOU GIVE IT BACK TO THE ABORIGINES.
• 05:01 IN REALITY, ZOLA, IT'S THE REVERSE.
• 05:04 THE JEWS ARE THE REAL INDIANS, THEY'RE THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THAT LAND
• 05:08 FROM THOUSANDS OF YEARS HAVE NEVER LOST A CONNECTION TO THAT LAND.
• 05:12 THERE ARE FAMILIES THAT CLAIM TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
• 05:16 EVERYBODY IN MY CLASS, WE KNEW WHO THEIR FAMILIES NAME WERE,
• 05:18 "MY NAME IS MITRIBOULUS AND I AM FROM GREECE ORIGINALLY."
• 05:22 "MY NAME IS ASHRAWI, IT'S EGYPTIAN."
• 05:25 "MY NAME IS MUHABRI FROM MOROCCO."
• 05:27 EVERYBODY KNEW THEIR RECENT ORIGIN FROM THE EARLY 1800S
• 05:31 WHO CAME TO THAT LAND FROM THE ARABIC SIDE WHO CLAIM TO BE ARABS.
• 05:34 IT'S A MIXTURE OF PEOPLE, GREEKS, EGYPTIANS, BOSNIANS, YOU NAME IT.
• 05:40 YEAH, THE STORY THEY TELL IS SOME MONOLITHIC PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
• 05:45 HANAN ASHRAWI LOOKED ME RIGHT IN THE EYE
• 05:47 AND SAID WE'VE BEEN HERE THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
• 05:50 AND I SAID, HAVE YOU?
• 05:52 I SAID, WELL WHAT ABOUT THE JEWS?
• 05:54 SHE SAID, THEY COME, THEY GO.
• 05:56 IT'S QUITE THE REVERSE.
• 05:58 YOU KNOW THE BEST WAY TO REFUTE THIS WHOLE NOTION, THEY SAY WE ARE THE PHILISTINES.
• 06:01 WE ARE CANAANITES.
• 06:03 WELL, CANAAN IS THE SON OF HAM AND WE CLAIM TO BE ARABS OF THE SEMITIC ORIGIN.
• 06:09 SO, HOW DO WE TRACE OURSELVES BACK ALL THE WAY TO NOAH
• 06:13 BEING OF A HAMITIC AND A SEMITIC RACE AT THE SAME TIME?
• 06:16 YOU KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT SCRIPTURE, WALID.
• 06:18 YOU'RE RIGHT.
• 06:20 I MEAN EVERYTHING, THIS WHOLE THING IS FOUNDED ON A HOUSE OF CARDS
• 06:24 AND THEY ARE KILLING REAL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.
• 06:27 THAT'S RIGHT.
• 06:28 WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE FOOTAGE.
• 06:30 KEN THEN ASKED THE PRISONER IF ABBAS IS LEADING THE PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY THAN ARAFAT DID.
• 06:38 WE'LL GO BACK TO BEERSHEBA NOW.
• 06:40 AS WE ALL KNOW, PRESIDENT YASSER ARAFAT IS THE LEADER FOR ALL PALESTINIAN
• 06:48 AND HE'S A BIG LEADER.
• 06:50 HE'S SOMETHING LIKE A PART OF US AND WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE AMERICANS AND THE ISRAELIS
• 06:55 THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT HIM TO BE IN, THAT'S ALL.
• 06:58 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT AMERICAS SAYS, IT GOES IN THE WORLD.
• 07:04 SO, THEY WANT HIM TO BE ISOLATED AND SO THEY ISOLATED HIM AND THEY STARTED TO--
• 07:10 (KEN) DO YOU THINK THE AMERICANS HAVE AN ACCURATE PICTURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE?
• 07:14 NO.
• 07:15 WE WISH THAT WE COULD MAKE A CONNECTION BETWEEN US AND THE YOUTH IN AMERICA
• 07:24 AND MOVEMENTS FOR PEACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO COME
• 07:27 AND SEE HERE WHAT'S GOING ON IN PRISONS AND PALESTINE, ALSO.
• 07:33 WE DON'T THINK THAT ALL AMERICANS KNOW WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON HERE.
• 07:37 RAID IS RIGHT.
• 07:40 THANKS TO THE LIBERAL MEDIA,
• 07:42 AMERICANS DO NOT HAVE AN ACCURATE PICTURE OF ISRAELI PRISONS.
• 07:46 THIS IS THE ACCURATE PICTURE, A LARGE COMFORTABLE CELL
• 07:49 IN WHICH EACH INMATE HAS HIS OWN PERSONAL LIBRARY.
• 07:52 THIS CELL HOLDS 6 INMATES WHO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR OWN GROCERIES,
• 07:56 WHICH THEY CAN PREPARE ON THEIR OWN HOTPLATE, WHILE WATCHING A TV WITH 6 STATIONS.
• 08:02 THEY HAVE A PRIVATE TOILET, AS WELL AS A PRIVATE SHOWER.
• 08:05 IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, RAID AND FELLOW INMATES HAVE EXERCISE BREAKS
• 08:10 WHERE THEY CAN PLAY PING PONG OR BASKETBALL,
• 08:12 FOLLOWED OF COURSE BY A HOT MEAL SERVED WITHIN CONFINES OF THEIR OWN CLIMATE-CONTROLLED CELL.
• 08:21 WE THOUGHT THERE WAS A CHANCE FOR PEACE TO BE BETWEEN PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS.
• 08:27 FATAH MOVEMENT AND THE MEMBERS OF FATAH MOVEMENT HERE IN JAILS ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PRESSURE
• 08:35 OUTSIDE IN THE PALESTINIAN STREETS AND THEY ALL BELIEVE IN PRESIDENT ABU MAZEN
• 08:42 AND THEY WANT TO WORK WITH HIM BECAUSE HE'S THE LEADER AND HE'S WORKING IN THE GOOD PATH
• 08:48 AND SOMETIMES WE SEND PROGRAMS TO MR. ABU MAZEN
• 08:55 ABOUT WHAT WE SEE FOR THE FUTURE OF PALESTINE,
• 08:58 WHAT WE SEE BETWEEN THE STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE ORGANIZATIONS FATAH,
• 09:01 HAMAS AND OTHER THINGS, HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.
• 09:05 I DON'T BELIEVE IN GETTING THE RELIGION IN OUR LIFE HERE.
• 09:08 THERE'S MUSLIMS, THERE'S ISRAELIS, THERE'S CHRISTIANS
• 09:11 AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THIS KIND OF PEOPLE.
• 09:15 SO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A USE TO USE RELIGION IN THE WAY AND IN THE AUTHORITY.
• 09:22 SO, THAT'S WHY I'M NOT IN THE RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT.
• 09:27 WALID, HE MAKES A POINT OF SAYING RELIGION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT,
• 09:32 YET WE, I MEAN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBER AND THE IMAMS AND SO ON, IT IS ALL RELIGIOUS TALK.
• 09:38 FATAH IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MODERATE SPOKESPERSON
• 09:42 AND HAMAS IS REALLY THE BAD COP IN THIS CASE.
• 09:45 BUT, RELIGION IS A MAJOR PART OF IT.
• 09:47 HE JOINED A GROUP CALLED AL AQSA MARTYR'S BRIGADE
• 09:51 TO LIBERATE AL AQSA MOSQUE AND IT'S A RELIGIOUS ISSUE.
• 09:58 RAKIM ASABRE, WHO WAS A PLO, AS WELL, WHO PREACHES THAT THE TEMPLE MOUNT NEVER EXISTED
• 10:03 AND THIS KIND OF THING AND HERE IS THIS GUY WHO CLAIMS THERE IS NO RELIGION INVOLVED.
• 10:07 THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY TAUGHT US IN SCHOOL.
• 10:09 YASSER ARAFAT GOES TO MOSQUES AND TELLS THE WOMEN, WOMEN, GO HOME AND GIVE ME YOUR CHILDREN.
• 10:13 HE PRAISED (ARABIC NAME) AND THEY STILL PRAISE (ARABIC NAME) AS A SUICIDE BOMBER AS A SHAHID.
• 10:19 WHERE DOES SHAHID COME FROM ANYWAY?
• 10:21 IT COMES FROM ISLAMIC DOGMA, TO DIE AS A MARTYR IN ORDER TO GO TO HEAVEN,
• 10:25 SHAHID MEANS MARTYR,
• 10:27 IT'S MARTYRDOM AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THE PLO IS RELIGIOUS.
• 10:30 IF YASSER ARAFAT WOULD BE PRESCRIBING A RESPONSE TO A PATIENT,
• 10:36 HE WILL GIVE HIM 90% SHA'RIA, 90% JIHAD USING SHA'RIA AND 90% SECULAR KIND OF DOGMA.
• 10:46 HAMAS, ON THE OTHER HAND, IS 100% SHA'RIA ON BOTH SIDES.
• 10:50 LET'S GO BACK TO OUR FOOTAGE, VERY, VERY INTERESTING STUFF.
• 10:55 I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE TO COMMENT, WALID.
• 10:57 THEY THINK THEY HAVE A RIGHT AND THEY ARE RIGHT AND WE HAVE OUR TRADITIONS, WE HAVE OUR PEOPLE,
• 11:06 OUR GRANDFATHERS LIVING HERE ON THIS LAND, IN PALESTINE
• 11:10 AND AFTER WE GIVE THEM A PART OF IT, WE GIVE THEM A PART OF IT.
• 11:15 WE KNOW THEY HAVE THE RELATION IN THEM, BUT THEY DON'T OWN IT.
• 11:19 WE WERE HERE AND AFTER THAT WE GAVE THEM HALF, SO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE NEXT HALF?
• 11:25 (KEN) SOME WOULD SAY, OK THEY GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO ABRAHAM, THEY SAY THE LAND WAS GIVEN,
• 11:33 (PRISONER) THE LAND,
• 11:35 (KEN) BY GOD TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
• 11:37 THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT.
• 11:41 BUT, WHAT WE BELIEVE AND WHAT WE WERE TAUGHT AND WHAT OUR GRANDFATHERS TOLD US,
• 11:47 WE BELIEVE IT, THAT'S OUR LAND.
• 11:50 WE CAME FROM SMALL ISLANDS IN YUNAN AND WE ARE HERE IN PALESTINE.
• 12:01 (KEN) AND THEY WOULD SAY, OUR GRANDFATHERS WERE HERE ALSO.
• 12:05 OF COURSE, THEY WOULD SAY IT BECAUSE THEY WANT IT.
• 12:08 THEY WANT THE LAND.
• 12:09 THEY CAME, WE KNOW, THEY CAME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
• 12:12 THEY HAVE OTHER, THEY HAVE AMERICAN PASSPORTS, THEY HAVE EUROPEAN PASSPORTS.
• 12:23 THEY'RE NOT REALLY THE REAL ISRAELIS.
• 12:27 BUT, THEY CAME HERE AND THEY TOOK HALF THE LAND, SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT?
• 12:31 WE'RE NOT GOING TO THROW THEM IN THE SEA.
• 12:33 TAKE THE PART THEY WERE IN AND THAT'S WHAT MR. ARAFAT ENDED IN OSLO.
• 12:41 YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STATE OF ISRAEL.
• 12:43 WE WANT TO LIVE BESIDE IT IN PEACE.
• 12:46 WHAT ABOUT THE LAND?
• 12:47 OF COURSE IT'S OURS.
• 12:49 THAT'S WHAT OUR RELIGION SAYS.
• 12:51 (KEN) MANY ISRAELIS CLAIM THAT THE HISTORY IS HERE, ARCHAEOLOGY, THEY WOULD SAY,
• 12:55 (KEN) BIBLE, ETC AND AT THE SAME TIME PALESTINIANS WOULD CLAIM THAT THEY ARE OCCUPIERS.
• 13:02 (KEN) WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
• 13:04 I SAY OUR FIRST GRANDFATHER WAS HERE, OUR RELIGION SAYS, OUR RELIGION,
• 13:09 THE ISLAMIC RELIGION IS THE LAST RELIGION THAT CAME OUT FROM GOD
• 13:14 AND IT SAYS THAT THERE'S PALESTINIANS AND THERE'S A LAND THAT HAD A PLACES FOR MOSQUES
• 13:22 AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT PLACE FOR PEOPLE, MUSLIM PEOPLE
• 13:28 AND WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT AND WE BELIEVE, ALSO WE BELIEVE,
• 13:32 WE KNOW THERE'S EVEN RELIGIOUS PEOPLE FOR THE JEWISH
• 13:36 AND WE BELIEVE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT FOR IT AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.
• 13:42 JUST TAKE YOUR PART AND GIVE US OUR PART.
• 13:45 THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM AN EXCUSE TO GET ALL THE LAND, ALL OF PALESTINE'S.
• 13:51 THEY CAME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD IN HERE, BUT WHAT WE HAD
• 13:54 AND WHAT WE LEARNED IN HISTORY AND WHEN FIRST THERE WAS THE BRITISH ARMY HERE
• 14:02 AND THEY CAME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND AFTER THE HOLOCAUST AND AFTER WHAT HAPPENED.
• 14:07 THEY STARTED HERE TO MAKE AN ARMY AND THEY HAD IT, THEY'RE STRONG NOW
• 14:12 AND WHEN MR. ARAFAT SAID THAT IT'S OK THEY HAVE THE LAND, IT'S OK.
• 14:17 THEY HAVE HAD LIKE A PART OF IT, NOT ALL OF IT.
• 14:21 AND WHAT WE LOOK FOR JUST AN INDEPENDENT PALESTINE.
• 14:24 WELL, WALID, HE'S PRETTY SURE OF HIMSELF.
• 14:26 WELL, HE'S SAYING AT THE FIRST PART SEGMENT OF HIS INTERVIEW
• 14:33 HE SAYS THAT HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION AND FATAH ORGANIZATION,
• 14:36 THE PLO REALLY IS NOT A RELIGION ISLAMIC FANATIC ORGANIZATION.
• 14:40 NOW HE SAYS THAT THIS LAND IS OURS BECAUSE IT SAYS IT IN THE KORAN,
• 14:44 IT'S PART OF ISLAMIC RELIGION, PART OF ISLAMIC THEOLOGY.
• 14:46 IN FACT, NO THEOLOGIAN CAN FIND IN THE KORAN ITSELF,
• 14:50 ANY REFERENCES OF THE LAND BEING FOR THE ARABS OR THE MUSLIMS AT ALL.
• 14:54 IN FACT, WHAT YOU FIND IS THE REVERSE IN THE KORAN.
• 14:56 IN THE KORAN, ALLAH TELLS MOSES (ARABIC)
• 15:01 ENTER INTO THE LAND, ISRAEL,
• 15:03 HAT HAS BEEN PROMISED AND DESTINED TO YOU, THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
• 15:06 SO, IN FACT, THE ARGUMENT IS IN REVERSE.
• 15:09 SECOND OF ALL, REGARDING THIS OCCUPATION,
• 15:13 ISLAMICALLY, THE ISLAMIC LEGISLATION, SHA'RIA
• 15:18 SAYS ANY LAND THAT'S BEEN OCCUPIED BY MUSLIMS SHALL ETERNALLY BE MUSLIM.
• 15:23 VERY NICE.
• 15:25 SO IN REALITY, WHAT HE'S SAYING, THIS IS AN ISLAMIC OCCUPATION IN THE PAST
• 15:29 AND IT MUST REMAIN AN ISLAMIC OCCUPATION.
• 15:31 IT CAN NEVER BE JEWISH.
• 15:33 WELL, IN THE COURSE OF WAR, THE AMERICAN ARMY HAS ENTERED, WHAT, JAPAN, KOREA, THE PHILIPPINE,
• 15:39 OVER IN EUROPE, FRANCE, BELGIUM, GERMANY.
• 15:42 WHEN THE WAR IS OVER, YOU GO HOME.
• 15:44 YOU DON'T SAY IT'S MY LAND FOREVER.
• 15:47 WALID IS VERY CAPABLE, AS YOU CAN SEE, OF COMMENTING ON WHAT'S BEING SAID TO OUR PRODUCER.
• 15:53 WE'LL BE BACK WITH HIM RIGHT AFTER THIS.
• 16:26 I SHALL STAND WITHIN THE WONDER OF YOUR WALLS, OH JERUSALEM.
• 16:31 I SHALL WALK WITHIN THE SPLENDOR OF YOUR GATES,
• 16:35 BEAUTIFUL FOR SITUATION, THE JOY OF THE WHOLE EARTH.
• 16:42 SURELY THE LORD HAS BLESSED THEE AND MADE HIS FACE SHINE UPON THEE.
• 16:48 JOIN ZOLA LEVITT ON HIS NEXT TOUR OF ISRAEL.
• 16:53 COME TO ZION WITH SONGS AND EVERLASTING JOY.
• 16:59 COME, WORSHIP IN THE SPLENDOR OF HIS HOLINESS.
• 17:06 WELL, COME ALONG ON ONE OF OUR TOURS.
• 17:09 WE WON'T TAKE YOU TO THAT PRISON, MUCH PRETTIER PLACES THAN THAT.
• 17:12 WALID, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO OUR FOOTAGE,
• 17:16 THE INTERVIEW WITH THE PRISONERS AND KEN GOES ON.
• 17:20 THEY WANT TO TALK FROM A RELIGIOUS SIDE.
• 17:24 OF COURSE, WE HAVE SO MANY IMPORTANT THINGS IN RELIGION,
• 17:29 ISLAMIC RELIGION THAT POINTS THAT THIS LAND IS OURS.
• 17:35 (KEN) WHAT ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC AREA THAT THEY CALL THE TEMPLE MOUNT?
• 17:38 IS IT TRUE WHAT THEY SAY, THAT THERE WAS IMPORTANT TEMPLES THERE?
• 17:43 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE.
• 17:45 WELL, HE JUST DOESN'T BELIEVE THERE EVER WAS A TEMPLE.
• 17:49 YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY HOW THE ARGUMENTS ARE USED IN THE PALESTINIAN PROPAGANDA MEDIA.
• 17:54 ON ONE HAND, THEY SAY THAT THE STORY OF MOHAMMED'S ASCENSION DURING (ARABIC)
• 18:00 WHEN HE ASCENDED FROM MECCA TO THE FURTHEST MOSQUE,
• 18:03 WHICH IS TRANSLATED THESE DAYS AS JERUSALEM.
• 18:06 IN REALITY, IT WAS IN MEDINA.
• 18:08 IN THIS ASCENSION, WHEN HE VISITED THE HOLY PLACE IN THE FURTHEST MOSQUE,
• 18:13 IF IT'S TODAY JERUSALEM, GUESS WHAT, MOHAMMED THE PROPHET OF ISLAM DESCRIBED THE TEMPLE,
• 18:18 DESCRIBED THE GATES AND THE WINDOWS
• 18:20 EVEN THOUGH THERE NO EXISTENCE OF A TEMPLE AT THAT TIME.
• 18:22 IT SERVES THEIR WISHES THAT IF, ON ONE HAND AND ON THE OTHER HAND IF,
• 18:29 IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY MIND-BOGGLING HOW THEY INTERPRET THE (ARABIC),
• 18:33 THE ASCENSION OF MOHAMMED.
• 18:34 HOW COME NOW HAS HE NOT ASCENDED TO JERUSALEM.
• 18:39 WE THOUGHT ALL THESE YEARS THAT MOHAMMED ASCENDED TO JERUSALEM AND SAW THE TEMPLE.
• 18:42 SO, ACCORDING TO MOHAMMED HIMSELF, THE TEMPLES EXISTS.
• 18:45 IT WAS REALLY THE SMALL TOWN OF MEDINA, RATHER, NEAR MECCA.
• 18:48 NOW WE TALKED TO A DIFFERENT PRISONER IN THAT SAME JAIL AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT,
• 18:55 I'M JUST GLAD THEY DIDN'T DECIDE THAT AL QUDS WAS WASHINGTON OR NEW YORK.
• 19:00 NASSAN N. EL DEER, IS A CONVICTED HAMAS TERRORIST
• 19:04 SEEN HERE EXERCISING WITH FELLOW PRISONERS.
• 19:07 THESE ARE TERRORISTS WITH BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.
• 19:10 THEY'VE BEEN PLACE IN A MORE SECURE AREA OF THE PRISON WITH ONLY 2 MEN TO A CELL.
• 19:15 ALTHOUGH THEY STILL GET TO PLAY PING PONG DAILY AND TO A LESSER DEGREE,
• 19:19 ARE RECIPIENTS OF THE AMENITIES WE'VE SEEN IN THE LARGER CELL.
• 19:22 NASSAN IS CONVICTED OF PARTICIPATING IN MILITARY TRAINING AGAINST ISRAEL,
• 19:27 HOLDING ILLEGAL WEAPON AND COORDINATING THE ATTACK OF A SUICIDE BOMBER.
• 19:32 FIRST OF ALL, WE TRY TO MAKE MARCH
• 19:36 AND MAKE OUR STATEMENTS AND AFTER THAT WE DID STONES
• 19:41 AND AFTER THAT WE TRY TO MAKE OUR VOICE TO REACH TO THE WORLD
• 19:47 IN THE FIRST INTIFADA AND NOW IN THE SECOND INTIFADA.
• 19:53 WE TRIED ALL THE POSSIBLE WAYS TO MAKE THEM HEAR US AND FINALLY WE FIGHT MAN TO MAN.
• 20:04 (KEN) WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT MAN TO MAN AND THAT'S,
• 20:09 (KEN) IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE CONVICTED OF BECAUSE YOU WERE FIGHTING?
• 20:12 NO, I WAS CONVICTED BECAUSE I HELPED SOMEONE FIGHT THE ISRAELI ARMY
• 20:20 AND KILLED SOME OF THE SOLDIERS.
• 20:24 (KEN) SUICIDE BOMBER?
• 20:25 NO, NOT SUICIDE, HE WAS A FIGHTER WITH A MACHINE GUN.
• 20:30 (KEN) WHAT DO YOU THINK OF SUICIDE BOMBERS?
• 20:33 WHEN YOU READ THE HISTORY OF THIS THING
• 20:39 YOU WILL SEE THAT IT'S SOMETHING GET FROM US WHEN WE REACH TO OUR POINT
• 20:51 THAT NO ONE HEAR US AND NO ONE WANTS TO GIVE US OUR FREEDOM AND SO ON.
• 20:57 YOU WILL SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE MURDERERS WAS EDUCATED
• 21:03 AND EVEN SOME OF THEM WAS HIGH EDUCATED ESPECIALLY FROM HAMAS AND THEY WERE KNOWN,
• 21:13 THEY KNEW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THEY REACHED TO THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE OCCUPATION HERE.
• 21:22 SO THE OCCUPATION IS THE ONE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS THING.
• 21:27 EVEN I REMEMBER THAT SHEIK HASIN OFFERED TO THE ISRAELI SIDE
• 21:33 THAT WE WANT TO TAKE THE CIVILIANS OUT OF THE CONFLICT
• 21:40 AND ONLY WE WILL FIGHT MAN TO MAN AND THE ISRAELI SIDE REFUSED
• 21:45 TO GET OUT THE ISRAELI CIVILIANS FROM BOTH SIDES OUT OF THE CONFLICT
• 21:52 LIKE THERE WAS AN EXAMPLE IN SOUTH LEBANON BETWEEN HEZBOLLAH AND THE ISRAELI SIDE
• 22:03 AND THE ISRAELIS REFUSED TO MAKE THIS EXAMPLE IN THE WEST BANK AND GAZA.
• 22:10 (KEN) IS IT HARD TO FIND PEOPLE WILLING TO GIVE THEIR LIVES FOR THIS--
• 22:15 AFTER THESE YEARS OF OCCUPATION, IT'S HARD TO STOP THEM, NOT HARD TO FIND THEM.
• 22:24 WE HAVE A PROBLEM TO MAKE THEM STOP.
• 22:27 WELL, WALID, HE'S GOT A LOT TO SAY ABOUT FIGHTING MAN TO MAN,
• 22:31 BUT I DON'T THINK THEY FIGHT THAT WAY.
• 22:34 SUICIDE BOMBERS DON'T FIGHT MAN TO MAN.
• 22:36 YES, IT IS FIGHTING MAN TO MAN FROM HIS PROSPECTIVE
• 22:39 BECAUSE A JEWISH CHILD WILL BECOME ISRAEL'S FUTURE SOLDIER.
• 22:42 I WALKED IN ONE TIME WITH COUSIN WATCHING ADOLF HITLER AND HE'S SALUTING ADOLF HITLER
• 22:46 AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID, WHY DO YOU SALUTE ADOLF HITLER, HE'S KILLED JEWISH BABIES.
• 22:49 HE SAID, THESE JEWISH BABIES ARE ISRAEL'S FUTURE SOLDIERS AND THAT'S HOW THEY VIEW IT.
• 22:55 KILLING INNOCENT, DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
• 22:57 BUT, GRANTED THEY GROW UP AND SOME BECOME SOLDIERS,
• 23:01 BUT THERE'S NO REASON FOR A SOLDIER TO HARM ANY PALESTINIAN
• 23:04 IF THE PALESTINIANS WOULD JUST STOP THESE MURDERS.
• 23:07 IT'S NOT THE JEWISH SOLDIER, AS A JEWISH SOLDIER, IT'S THE JEWISH EXISTENCE, PERIOD.
• 23:10 JEWS HAVE NO RIGHT TO EXIST IN THAT LAND, THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED AN OCCUPATION.
• 23:14 THAT'S WHY THEY CAN EXCUSE THEMSELVES,
• 23:15 BLOWING THEMSELVES UP IN THE NAME OF OCCUPATION.
• 23:17 BUT, ONE HAS TO ASK THEMSELVES A QUESTION, IF IT'S REGARDING THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION,
• 23:21 WHY WOULD A SUICIDE BOMBER GO INTO TO AMMAN AND BLOW HIMSELF UP
• 23:24 BLOW HIMSELF UP IN BALI, BLOW HIMSELF UP IN TURKEY, BLOW HIMSELF UP IN INDIA,
• 23:27 BLOW HIMSELF UP AND WHY THERE'S NO CHRISTIAN PALESTINIANS BLOWING THEMSELVES UP,
• 23:31 BECAUSE IT'S A RELIGIOUS DOGMA.
• 23:33 NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S THAT RELIGIOUS DOGMA THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PREACH.
• 23:37 THAT'S VERY INTERESTING, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT.
• 23:39 THERE'S NO PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS EVER ACT AS SUICIDE BOMBERS.
• 23:42 IT'S ALWAYS MUSLIMS. >>IT'S ALWAYS MUSLIMS.
• 23:44 WALID, WHEN MY FATHER CAME TO THIS COUNTRY FROM LATVIA, HE JUST GOT A JOB,
• 23:49 GOT MARRIED, RAISED 3 KIDS, HE PUT THEM THROUGH GRADUATE SCHOOL, HE DID A GOOD JOB.
• 23:52 HE DIDN'T EVER CLAIM THE COUNTRY FOR LATVIA.
• 23:55 (LAUGHING)
• 23:57 I MEAN, IF THEY WOULD COOPERATE WITH THIS ISRAELI DEMOCRACY, WOULD THERE BE ANY PROBLEM?
• 24:01 THERE'D BE NO PROBLEM.
• 24:03 THE ISRAELIS OPENED 20-SOME SCHOOLS, 20-SOME UNIVERSITIES FOR THE PALESTINIANS.
• 24:06 THEY HAVE POURED SO MUCH MONEY, THEY WANTED TO REBUILD THE CAMPS
• 24:10 AND THE PALESTINIANS REJECTED THE ISRAELIS FROM BUILDING THE CAMPS.
• 24:14 WHY, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO KEEP THIS WHOLE NOTION OF OCCUPATION
• 24:16 THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THOSE REFUGEE CAMPS TO DECENT HOUSING AND THEY SAID, NO.
• 24:20 ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THAT SAME PRISONER.
• 24:23 HE'S GOT A LOT TO SAY.
• 24:24 BOY, TALK ABOUT PLAIN BRAINWASH.
• 24:27 (KEN) IF THERE'S NOTHING BUT TALK RELEVANT TO THE WEST BANK AND TO JERUSALEM
• 24:33 AND NOTHING HAPPENS THERE, IS THAT KIND OF A POINT OF LAST RESORT AGAIN,
• 24:37 HAVING TO DO THE SAME THING?
• 24:40 A LOT OF THE ANALYSIS GUYS SAID THAT BECAUSE THE ISRAELI SIDE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND UNTIL NOW
• 24:53 THAT WE NEED OUR FREEDOM AND OUR STATE, THEY SEE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER INTIFADA.
• 25:02 WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, WALID?
• 25:04 WE GO BACK TO SCRIPTURE, ZOLA.
• 25:07 THE SCRIPTURES TELLS US THAT THESE EVENTS ALREADY HAVE BEEN PROPHESIED ABOUT,
• 25:11 MUSLIM COUNTRIES COMING AGAINST ISRAEL AND GOD TAKING THE BELIEVERS
• 25:16 AND UNITING US TO HIM IN THE RAPTURE TO FIGHT FOR ISRAEL.
• 25:20 MOST CHRISTIANS DON'T LOOK AT JOEL CHAPTER 2 AND 3 AND CONNECT THEM TOGETHER.
• 25:24 IN JOEL CHAPTER 2 VERSE 16
• 25:31 THAT'S THE RAPTURE, US MEANING THE LORD AND THEN GOD IS ZEALOUS FOR HIS PEOPLE.
• 25:45 THAT THE LAND IS REALLY OCCUPIED BY AN ENEMY FORCE, THAT GOD'S GOING TO LIBERATE THAT LAND.
• 25:50 THE RAPTURE IS TIED INTO THAT LAND AND THEN IN JOEL CHAPTER 3 WE CONTINUE,
• 25:54 THE WHOLE THING OF ARMAGEDDON WHERE THE NATIONS ARE JUDGED
• 25:57 IS FOR THE DIVIDING OF THE LAND OF ISRAEL AND FOR THE MIS- TREATMENT OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
• 26:02 IF YOU GO FROM THE DRY BONES VISION IN EZEKIEL 37
• 26:07 YOU SEE THE PEOPLE WAKE OUT OF THEIR GRAVES, COME INTO ISRAEL.
• 26:10 IT'S VERY CLEAR WHOSE LAND IT IS BECAUSE GOD HIMSELF INTERPRETS THE VISION
• 26:15 AND HE SAYS TO EZEKIEL,
• 26:24 THAT'S EZEKIEL 37:14 AND WHO DOES THIS, WHO DECIDES IT?
• 26:35 THE INTERESTING THING, IT MENTIONS IN THE VALLEY OF THE DRY BONE
• 26:37 THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE SLAIN, THEY WERE KILLED, DEFINITELY TALKING ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST.
• 26:43 YEAH.
• 26:45 THERE'RE REALLY NO ARGUMENT, BUT WE WENT TO A PRISON SO YOU COULD HEAR IT FIRST HAND
• 26:49 AND WHAT THESE FELLOWS BELIEVE AND SOME CASES EVEN GIVE THEIR LIVES FOR.
• 26:55 WELL, ALL I CAN SAY IS
• 26:57 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.