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Caption transcript for Revelation: “On Pain of Death” with Ibrahim Abdullah (2/6)

• 00:39 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:41 WE'RE BACK WITH IBRAHIM ABDULLAH,
• 00:43 ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS, ONE OF MY ARAB FRIENDS,
• 00:46 ONE OF MY MUSLIM TERRORIST- BECOME CHRISTIAN FRIENDS.
• 00:50 YOU WERE A REAL MUSLIM TERRORIST, UP TO A WHOLE LOT OF MISCHIEF AS A KID
• 00:54 OVER THERE IN THE PALESTINIAN AREAS IN JERUSALEM OR IN ISRAEL.
• 01:00 NOW YOU'VE COME TO CHRIST.
• 01:04 YES, I DID, ZOLA.
• 01:05 THANK GOD.
• 01:06 YEAH, YEAH, I'M SO GLAD OF THAT.
• 01:10 IT'S A BIG WEIGHT, LIKE A WEIGHT WAS TAKEN OFF,
• 01:14 THE BURDEN WAS LIFTED, NEVER SAW IT,
• 01:16 HOW THE SCALES WERE ON MY EYES, THEY WERE LIFTED OFF.
• 01:19 WELL, YOU WERE BORN A COUSIN, BUT NOW I WELCOME YOU AS A BROTHER.
• 01:23 THANK YOU, ZOLA.
• 01:25 YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED IN DEARBORN MICHIGAN, SO YOU'RE AN AMERICAN
• 01:29 AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TAKE UP WITH YOU.
• 01:32 YOU'RE AN AMERICAN OF PALESTINIAN EXTRACTION,
• 01:35 BUT, YOU KNOW I SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST
• 01:39 AND THAT'S CLEAR TO EVERYBODY THAT WATCHES THE NEWS.
• 01:41 BUT, WHAT'S GOING ON IN AMERICA IS NOT SO CLEAR.
• 01:43 TELL ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN SANDRA AND I WENT TO SPEAK IN MINNEAPOLIS,
• 01:49 THEY TOLD USE THERE WERE 50 MOSQUES IN THAT CITY, SMALLER THAN DALLAS.
• 01:53 I THINK WE HAVE 2 OR 3 MOSQUES.
• 01:55 YEAH.
• 01:57 NUMBER ONE, WHY ARE THE ARABS, WHO ARE DESERT PEOPLE COLLECTED ALONG THE NORTHERN BORDER,
• 02:03 DEARBORN, DETROIT, MINNEAPOLIS?
• 02:05 NUMBER TWO, WHAT GOES ON IN THOSE MOSQUES?
• 02:08 WELL, FIRST OF ALL IF YOU FOLLOW THE ARAB IMMIGRATION,
• 02:11 IT ORIGINALLY STARTED IN THE 30S AND 40S.
• 02:14 THEY CAME TO WORK AT THE CAR FACTORIES, DETROIT, DEARBORN.
• 02:17 FORD MOTOR COMPANY HIRED MANY IMMIGRANTS.
• 02:19 I SEE, OF COURSE, HENRY FORD WAS NOT A FAN OF ISRAEL.
• 02:24 THAT'S CORRECT.
• 02:26 I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS THE EXACT MOTIVE, BUT NEVERTHELESS HE GOT SOME GOOD LABOR.
• 02:29 I NEVER LIKED FORDS EITHER, NEVER MIND.
• 02:31 A LOT OF MY RELATIVES ACTUALLY WORKED FOR THE FACTORIES
• 02:33 AND THEY WOULD TELL THAT THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES OUT OF ALL THE THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES
• 02:37 WHO WERE WILLING TO WORK UNDERNEATH CARS WHERE THE HOT STEEL IS,
• 02:41 YOU KNOW, WHERE THE HARDEST LABOR IS.
• 02:43 SO, ANY WAY, ONE FAMILY WOULD COME AND THEY WOULD GET SUCCESSFUL
• 02:48 AND WORK FOR AWHILE AND SAVE UP ENOUGH MONEY AND BRING THEIR OTHER RELATIVES
• 02:51 AND OF COURSE, GENERATION AFTER GENERATION.
• 02:53 COME THE 60S AND 70S, IT STARTED TENS OF THOUSANDS AND NOW OF COURSE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.
• 02:58 AND THAT'S HOW THEY IMMIGRATED TO THAT AREA AND THEY STARTED TO SPREAD OUT TO NEW YORK,
• 03:02 TO THE EAST COAST AND MINNEAPOLIS, BUT OF COURSE NORTH AND SOUTH FROM THERE.
• 03:05 OH YAH, A FRIEND OF MINE IN NEW YORK, A JEWISH FRIEND SAID TO ME,
• 03:08 WHEN I TOLD HIM THERE'S 50 MOSQUES IN MINNEAPOLIS,
• 03:12 HE SAID WELL THERE'S 100 IN NEW YORK, SO WHAT.
• 03:15 I SAID, WELL IT'LL BE CONVENIENT FOR YOU WHEN THEY FORCE YOU TO WORSHIP WITH THEM.
• 03:19 I MEAN, WE WERE ARGUING ABOUT THE WAR ON TERRORISM, THE LARGER PICTURE.
• 03:23 BUT, AREN'T THEY PREACHING THE SAME THING IN THE MOSQUES IN AMERICA THEY DO IN SAUDI ARABIA?
• 03:30 WELL, ZOLA, ABSOLUTELY.
• 03:32 ONE OF THE REASONS WHY AMERICA IS SO ATTRACTIVE IS BECAUSE
• 03:34 HERE IN THE STATES YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK, TO LIVE,
• 03:38 TO VOICE YOUR OPINION OPENLY WITHOUT FEAR OF GOING TO PRISON.
• 03:42 NOW, OF COURSE 9-11, A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT A LITTLE MORE NERVOUS, BUT NEVERTHELESS,
• 03:47 ALL THEYEARS BEFORE AND AFTER, EVEN NOW THERE'S STILL,
• 03:49 YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME BASIC FREEDOMS THAT,
• 03:52 IRONICALLY YOU WILL NOT FIND IN MOST OF MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
• 03:56 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND THAT FREEDOM.
• 03:57 SURE.
• 03:59 SO, LIKE FOR INSTANCE IN EGYPT, THE ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD IS OUTLAWED BY THE GOVERNMENT
• 04:03 AND SO SOME ARE ARRESTED AND PUT IN PRISON, TORTURED
• 04:09 BECAUSE THEY SPEAK OUT AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENTS OR THEY HAVE OPPOSING OPINIONS.
• 04:13 WELL, HERE IN THE STATES YOU HAVE FREEDOM.
• 04:16 BOY, IF WE PUT EVERYBODY IN PRISON THAT SPOKE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT,
• 04:19 WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR INSTANCE,
• 04:21 THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYBODY LEFT.
• 04:22 THERE WOULD BE SENATORS.
• 04:24 SURE, RIGHT AND THAT'S THE POINT, ZOLA, THAT'S WHY.
• 04:27 SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MOSQUES?
• 04:29 THEY HAVE ZERO FEAR OF BEING ABLE TO SPEAK AND DO AS THEY PLEASE, GARNER GROUPS
• 04:34 AND RAISE FUNDS, DESCEND TO ORGANIZING, BUT,
• 04:38 WHAT ONE THING THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS ARABS HERE DO NOT SEE THAT AS ILLEGAL
• 04:44 OR WRONG AND THE REASON FOR THAT ZOLA IS BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT IT LIKE,
• 04:47 LOOK THESE ARE OUR PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
• 04:49 THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR A JUST CAUSE, FOR A LAND.
• 04:52 WHAT ARE WE DOING THAT IS CRIMINAL?
• 04:54 WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING CRIMINAL?
• 04:55 WE'RE JUST GIVING MONEY TO A JUST CAUSE AND IF IT'S GOING,
• 04:58 THEY'RE BEING TOLD IT'S USED FOR POLITICAL USE AND MILITARY USE OR VICE VERSA,
• 05:02 BUT THE POINT IS WE KNOW WHAT THE END RESULT IS, BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S HAPPENING.
• 05:07 THERE'S FREEDOM TO DO IT, EVEN AFTER 9-11.
• 05:11 WHAT'S REALLY CHANGED?
• 05:14 NOT MUCH, NOT MUCH.
• 05:16 IT REMINDED ME IN THE LAST PROGRAM YOU TELLING ME
• 05:20 THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH SECURITY AT OUR AIRPORTS A HUNDRED TIMES,
• 05:24 I MEAN FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE YOU'RE NAME IS IBRAHIM ABDULLAH,
• 05:27 YOU'RE NOT EXACTLY GOING AS JOHN DOE AND YOU LOOK THE PART
• 05:31 AND YOU'RE BIG AND STRONG AND YOUNG AND NOBODY EVER ASKS YOU QUESTION ONE.
• 05:36 NO.
• 05:37 WHAT KIND OF SECURITY IS THAT?
• 05:38 WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
• 05:39 I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS CHANGED.
• 05:41 I THINK SOME OF THE PATRIOT ACT AND SOME OF THE OTHER LAWS THAT WERE ENACTED AFTER 9-11
• 05:46 WERE DESIGNED TO BASICALLY CATCH THE MONEY TRAIL, STOP THE MONEY TRAIL IN AND OUT OF THIS COUNTRY
• 05:53 AND TO FIND OUT WHO, HERE IN THE STATES WAS USING IT AS A STAGING GROUND,
• 05:57 SUPPORT THESE GROUPS AND CULTIVATE THEM HERE IN THE UNITED STATES
• 06:00 TO USE AMERICA AS A LAUNCHING PAD ALSO FROM WITHIN,
• 06:04 FOR VIOLENT ACTS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
• 06:07 NOW, OF COURSE THERE'S BEEN SOME SMALL SUCCESSES FROM TIME TO TIME,
• 06:11 BUT COULD IT BE SUCCESSFUL IN OUR SOCIETY, VERY DIFFICULT,
• 06:15 BECAUSE IT'S A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.
• 06:17 IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, HOW COULD YOU BE COMPLETELY SUCCESSFUL
• 06:20 WHEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE GENERATION OF PEOPLE THINKING THE SAME THING?
• 06:23 SO IT'S THE SAME JIHAD, BUT IT HAPPENS TO BE ON NATIVE SOIL AND IT'S A LITTLE MORE SUBTLE.
• 06:30 RIGHT.
• 06:31 YOU KNOW, I WATCH THESE ARABIC GUYS, JAMES ZOGBY HAS A TALK SHOW AND,
• 06:38 IT'S NOT A TALK SHOW REALLY BECAUSE HE RESTATES THE QUESTIONS
• 06:41 AND GETS IN A POLITICAL SPEECH OF SOME SORT, I MEAN, I HAVE A TALK SHOW,
• 06:46 I'VE DONE IT MY WHOLE LIFE AND I KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING.
• 06:48 HE'S KIND OF TWISTING WHAT AND THEN HE CHOOSES HIS GUESTS TERRIBLY CAREFULLY,
• 06:52 A JEWISH LADY, HARVARD PROFESSOR WITH TOTAL ANTI-ISRAEL VIEWS
• 06:58 AND TALK ABOUT THINGS ABOUT JEWISH TERRORISM, WHATEVER THAT IS.
• 07:01 AND JOHN ZOGBY, HIS BROTHER IS A POLLSTER AND SOMEHOW FINDS KERRY WAS GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION,
• 07:09 ALL THE REST--
• 07:10 IT'S SUBTLE, BUT IT'S A CONSTANT DRUM BEAT.
• 07:13 CAIR AND THE COMMITTEE FOR AMERICAN ISLAMIC RELATIONS,
• 07:17 I WATCH WHAT THEY DO AND SOMETHING IS GOING ON.
• 07:21 THE WAR ON TERRORISM IS GOING ON HERE, BUT WE DON'T HEAR MUCH SHOOTING
• 07:26 SO WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION OVER THERE.
• 07:28 THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
• 07:29 WHAT'S, CAN WE PUT THE FINGER ON A PROBLEM HERE?
• 07:33 WHERE'S THE PROBLEM AT?
• 07:34 IT'S HAPPENING BEFORE OUR EYES, IT'S BEING ORGANIZED BEFORE OUR EYES
• 07:37 UNDERNEATH OUR HANDS, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS,
• 07:41 YET NOTHING IS HAPPENING HERE BECAUSE WE'RE PREOCCUPIED EVERYWHERE ELSE.
• 07:45 WE STILL DON'T BELIEVE IT'S HAPPENING HERE.
• 07:47 NO, WE DON'T BELIEVE IT. >>WE DON'T BELIEVE IT.
• 07:49 WE DON'T ACCEPT IT.
• 07:51 WE'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE IT UNTIL 9-11 HAPPENS AGAIN, UNFORTUNATELY.
• 07:54 AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN, ISN'T IT?
• 07:56 IT CERTAINLY SEEMS THAT WAY.
• 07:58 I WISH, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND PESSIMISTIC, I DON'T WANT THAT, BUT IT CERTAINLY LOOKS THAT WAY.
• 08:03 I'M GLAD YOU'RE SAYING THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WRITING IT AND I'M NOT A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL,
• 08:10 I DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO CHECK ON ALL THIS AND I'VE NEVER BEEN IN A MOSQUE,
• 08:14 BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HAPPENING UNDER THE SURFACE
• 08:18 AND NOW THAT YOU CONFIRM IT, YOU WERE IN MOSQUES ALL YOUR LIFE.
• 08:21 WELL, OF COURSE.
• 08:23 YOU SEE, WHAT'S BEING TAUGHT FOR THE MOST PART, YOU SEE THE WAY I LOOK AT IT THOUGH,
• 08:28 IS THE PEOPLE ZOLA, MOST OF THEM HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS,
• 08:32 MOST OF THE ARAB MUSLIM PEOPLE HAVE VERY GOOD INTENTIONS.
• 08:35 THEY WANT TO SERVE GOD.
• 08:37 THEY WANT TO WORSHIP HIM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY, WHAT THEY KNOW IS CORRECT,
• 08:40 BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN A LOT OF THESE INSTITUTION IS BEING PROGRAMMED TO HAVE HATRED,
• 08:46 POLITICAL BIASES, LAND ISSUES, THIS PROBLEM PREOCCUPYING THEM
• 08:50 WITH ISSUES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR DAILY LIVES, THAT HAVE ZERO AFFECT.
• 08:55 I'VE OFTEN FOUND, YOU KNOW I'VE DEALT WITH PALESTINIAN PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR FOR YEARS.
• 09:00 I'VE STOOD ON GREEK SHIPS THAT DOCK AT TURKISH PORTS AND EGYPTIAN PORTS WITH TRUSTED,
• 09:07 STANDING ON A 20,000 TON VESSEL WITH AN EGYPTIAN PILOT TAKING IT INTO HARBOR
• 09:13 ALONG WITH A WHOLE TOUR OF CHRISTIANS AND JEWS GOING TO ISRAEL
• 09:16 AND TRAVEL PEOPLE, [WE] DID WELL.
• 09:20 WE BUY SOME MATERIALS FROM PALESTINIAN MAKERS IN ISRAEL.
• 09:24 I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.
• 09:26 I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE MUSLIMS, THE ARABS THAT I'VE DEALT WITH,
• 09:30 NEVER HAD A PROBLEM ON A TOUR, NEVER HAD ANYBODY BACK-TALK ABOUT ANYTHING.
• 09:34 THEY'RE JUST HUMAN BEINGS AND I LIKE MANY OF THEM, I KNOW MANY OF THEM.
• 09:42 I'M SPEAKING ACQUAINTANCES, OBVIOUSLY.
• 09:45 YEAH, THEY HAVE, THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING,
• 09:48 SEE MOST PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK ALL THE MUSLIMS THINK THIS WAY
• 09:52 AND THEY'RE ALL THAT WAY. THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
• 09:54 WHAT YOU HAVE HERE, THOUGH, YOU HAVE A 2 SIDED, A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD,
• 09:58 YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY OF ARAB MUSLIMS IN PARTICULAR WHO ARE INDOCTRINATED WITH,
• 10:04 MIXED WITH RELIGION AND CULTURE BECAUSE THE RELIGION AND CULTURE GO HAND IN HAND,
• 10:08 YOU CANNOT SEPARATE THEM, UNLIKE ANY OTHER FAITH IN THE WORLD, YOU CANNOT SEPARATE THESE TWO.
• 10:12 SO, AS A RESULT, EVEN THE MUSLIMS WHO ARE NOT RELIGIOUS, DON'T FOLLOW THEIR FAITH,
• 10:17 THEY'RE BEING RULED AND THEY FOLLOW THE TRADITIONS OF THEIR CULTURE,
• 10:21 WHICH IS BASED ON THE RELIGION.
• 10:24 SO, EVEN THOUGH MY POINT IS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT RELIGIOUS, MOST OF THEM,
• 10:28 THEY STILL END UP FOLLOWING TO THE RELIGIOUS THEME BECAUSE OF THE CULTURE,
• 10:33 BECAUSE THEY SUBMIT TO THE CULTURE.
• 10:34 I HOPE THAT DOESN'T SOUND CONFUSING.
• 10:36 NO, THAT'S INTERESTING.
• 10:38 IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY.
• 10:40 IT'S DIFFERENT FROM JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY.
• 10:42 I MEAN THE MAJORITY OF JEWISH PEOPLE AND I KNOW A LOT OF THEM,
• 10:46 I SAY, PAY NO ATTENTION TO JUDAISM.
• 10:48 THEY DON'T LIVE THAT WAY. >>SURE.
• 10:49 THEY DON'T KEEP THOSE LAWS, OR CHRISTIAN PEOPLE
• 10:51 THEY GET TO CHURCH, BUT I WISH I COULD SAY THEY LIVE IT ALL THE TIME
• 10:56 OR I LIVE IT ALL THE TIME FOR THAT MATTER, BUT ACTUALLY THEY FALL VERY SHORT OF THAT,
• 11:00 BUT, THE AVERAGE MUSLIM RELIGIOUS OR NOT AS YOU SAY,
• 11:03 LIVES HIS DAILY LIFE AS A MUSLIM.
• 11:05 THAT'S RIGHT, HE LIVES IT REGARDLESS, BECAUSE OF HIS CULTURE.
• 11:08 BUT, MOST OF THEM HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS, THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS.
• 11:13 THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
• 11:14 THEY HAVE A GREAT ZEAL FOR GOD THAT WILL PUT OTHER CULTURES AND PEOPLES TO SHAME, ZOLA.
• 11:19 IF WE HAD THEIR ZEAL WE COULD CHANGE THE WORLD.
• 11:21 ISN'T THAT SOMETHING.
• 11:23 IT'S TRUE.
• 11:24 SO, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
• 11:25 WHAT DO WE DO?
• 11:27 WHAT DILEMMA DO WE HAVE TODAY?
• 11:29 NOW, THE OTHER PORTION, THE OTHER SEGMENT THAT HAVE BAD INTENTIONS,
• 11:33 THAT'S THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY'RE INFLUENCING THE MASSES AND THEY'RE GIVING TIDBITS,
• 11:38 YOUR LAND WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU, STRIKE.
• 11:42 YOU HAVE A POLITICAL PROBLEM HERE, STRIKE.
• 11:44 GATHER TOGETHER FUNDS, STRIKE.
• 11:48 CONSTANTLY PUT THE JEW, FOR INSTANCE, BEFORE THEIR EYES, HE IS THE PRIMARY ENEMY,
• 11:53 HERE IS WHY AND THEY GIVE MULTIPLE REASONS.
• 11:54 SO, YOU SEE IT'S BEING IMBEDDED IN THEIR MIND FROM THEIR YOUTH.
• 12:00 IT'S VERY HARD TO CHANGE A PERSON WHEN YOU'RE BORN AND RAISED TO THINK THIS WAY.
• 12:04 IF YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED TO SPEAK ENGLISH ALL YOUR LIFE, ZOLA,
• 12:07 AND I ASKED YOU TO SPEAK CHINESE AT THE AGE OF 20,
• 12:10 IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN A WEEK.
• 12:14 WELL, HE'S ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS.
• 12:16 IBRAHIM ABDULLAH, A SAVED MUSLIM, I SHOULD SAY MORE,
• 12:22 A SAVED TERRORIST TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
• 12:24 HE GAVE HIS TESTIMONY IN THE LAST PROGRAM, BUT HE WAS A PALESTINIAN KID
• 12:28 THAT CAUSED EVERY SORT OF TROUBLE AND ENDED UP IN AN ISRAELI JAIL,
• 12:32 GOT SPRUNG BECAUSE HE'S AN AMERICAN,
• 12:34 BUT, I'M GLAD HE'S FREE AND HE'S REALLY FREE BECAUSE HE MET THE JEWISH MESSIAH ALONG THE WAY.
• 12:41 BACK WITH HIM AFTER THIS.
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• 13:44 IF YOU HAD BUT ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE ISRAEL, WHAT WOULD THAT ONE WORD BE?
• 13:47 INCREDIBLE.
• 13:49 FULFILLMENT.
• 13:50 UNBELIEVABLE.
• 13:51 WOW.
• 13:53 SHALOM.
• 13:54 FABULOUS.
• 13:56 SHABABA, WHICH MEANS AWESOME.
• 13:59 LOVE, THE LOVE OF GOD.
• 14:03 PHENOMENAL, PHENOMENAL, PHENOMENAL.
• 14:14 WELL, THAT'S ISRAEL AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO US
• 14:17 AND YOU KNOW THERE'S MORE AND MORE MESSIANICS,
• 14:20 BELIEVERS IN THE LORD IN ISRAEL THESE DAYS THAN EVER BEFORE.
• 14:24 WHEN WE TRAVEL WE GO TO MESSIANIC CONGREGATIONS.
• 14:27 IN ONE OF THEM THE RABBI EVEN CALLED UP THE MEN FROM OUR TOUR TO READ FROM THE TORAH.
• 14:33 THEY SAID, WE DON'T READ IN HEBREW,
• 14:35 HE SAID, I'LL SAY THE WORDS IN YOUR EAR ONE BY ONE
• 14:37 AND YOU SAY THEM AND THEY HAD A FABULOUS EXPERIENCE.
• 14:40 THERE WAS A GUY ON THAT TOUR THAT WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THINGS,
• 14:43 FROM THERE ON HE WAS LIKE AN ANGEL.
• 14:45 BUT, I BRING THAT UP TO MENTION, IN MY LIFETIME THERE'S BEEN TREMENDOUS JEWISH REVIVAL,
• 14:53 I MEAN, JEWS FOR JESUS IS A HUGE ORGANIZATION
• 14:56 AND THERE'S MESSIANIC CONGREGATIONS IN EVERY TOWN,
• 14:59 BUT YOU ARE SAYING IN YOUR TIME--
• 15:01 I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT AND I'M HAPPY, VERY HAPPY, WE'RE EXCITED.
• 15:06 BUT, LISTEN TO THIS, ZOLA, ISLAM HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR 1400 YEARS
• 15:11 AND MORE MUSLIMS HAVE COME TO KNOW TO CHRIST, IN OTHER WORDS
• 15:15 HAVE ACCEPTED THE BIBLE AS THE TRUTH IN THE LAST 20 YEARS,
• 15:18 ESPECIALLY THE LAST 5 THAN IN ALL OF HISTORY COMBINED IN ALL 1400 YEARS OF HISTORY COMBINED.
• 15:25 GOD IS MOVING MIGHTILY IN THE MUSLIM WORLD AS WE SPEAK.
• 15:28 IT'S CONVERSION RATE IS 365,000 A YEAR.
• 15:31 IT SOUNDS LOW IN RELATION TO THE AMOUNT, BUT THESE ARE NUMBERS
• 15:35 THAT HAVE NEVER BEFORE BEEN SEEN IN THE MUSLIM WORLD
• 15:38 EVEN THOUGH IT'S LOW IN RELATION TO THE POPULATION, STILL WE'VE NEVER SEEN THESE NUMBERS
• 15:42 AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
• 15:44 GOSH, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
• 15:46 MAYBE IT'S TRUE IN EVERY COMMUNITY, I MEAN IN JUST THE GENTILE COMMUNITY,
• 15:50 THE BLACK OR THE HISPANICS, THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING BECAUSE
• 15:53 HERE COMES THE END AND IT'S TIME TO MAKE A DECISION.
• 15:57 I MEAN EVEN AN ORDINARY UNBELIEVER CAN SEE THAT THINGS ARE IN A STATE.
• 16:01 YEAH, I THINK GOD IS MOVING, I THINK HE'S MOVING ALL OVER THE WORLD
• 16:05 AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ACCESS, MUSLIM COUNTRIES HAVE NOT HAD, JUST LIKE COMMUNIST COUNTRIES,
• 16:09 THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE MASSES, THAT'S WHY, FOR INSTANCE,
• 16:11 RUSSIA AND CHINA WOULDN'T ALLOW MISSIONARIES, WOULDN'T ALLOW THE GOSPEL
• 16:14 BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE MIND OF THE PEOPLE.
• 16:16 IN THE SAME WAY THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES, GENERALLY SPEAKING,
• 16:19 WOULD NOT ALLOW OTHER RELIGIOUS FAITHS TO ENTER IN
• 16:22 BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR PEOPLE TO BE CORRUPTED BY OUTSIDE INFLUENCE.
• 16:26 NOW, BECAUSE OF SATELLITE AND THE INTERNET, ETC, IT'S BEING PIPED IN
• 16:30 AND THE PEOPLE, THE MUSLIMS, AND I'VE ALWAYS HAD, THIS PART IS JUST AN OPINION,
• 16:34 BUT, I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT IF MUSLIMS, IF GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXAMINE THE BIBLE
• 16:38 AND COMPARE IT, THEY WILL COME TO CHRIST IN NUMBERS WE HAVE YET TO EVER SEE.
• 16:43 OH, OF COURSE THEY WOULD, SURE THEY WOULD, ANYBODY DOES.
• 16:45 YOU KNOW, WE GET LETTERS FROM SAUDI ARABIA, I'M NOT KIDDING.
• 16:48 THEY USUALLY SAY, WELL DON'T WRITE BACK OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE A LITTLE UNDERCOVER,
• 16:54 BUT THEY HAVE A SATELLITE DISH BECAUSE OUR PROGRAM,
• 16:56 IF IT'S AVAILABLE HERE, IT'S AVAILABLE THERE,
• 16:59 IT'S THE SAME SIDE OF THE WORLD AND THEY CAN SEE IT.
• 17:02 THERE'S AN AMAZING TESTIMONIES, ZOLA, ALL OVER THE MUSLIM WORLD.
• 17:06 I WISH WE HAD TIME TO GET INTO THEM, SO MANY AMAZING TESTIMONIES.
• 17:09 A MAN WAS IN THE COUNTRY OF JORDAN, HE FELL OFF A CLIFF 500 FT. STRAIGHT DOWN IN HIS CAR.
• 17:15 INSTINCTIVELY, HE'S A MUSLIM, INSTINCTIVELY HE CRIED OUT TO EESA, WHICH IS ARABIC FOR JESUS,
• 17:21 HE DOESN'T KNOW WHY, IF YOU ASK HIM TODAY HE'LL TELL YOU,
• 17:23 I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT I CALLED OUT TO JESUS.
• 17:26 HE WALKED OUT OF THE CAR THAT WAS CRUSHED LIKE A PANCAKE,
• 17:29 BUT HE WALKED OUT WITH JUST A FEW SCRATCHES, GAVE HIS LIFE TO CHRIST.
• 17:31 HE BELIEVED THAT CHRIST SAVED HIM AND HIS LIFE HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED.
• 17:36 A MAN IN SAUDI ARABIA--
• 17:38 I HAD A SIMILAR EVENT NOW THAT YOU MENTION THAT, BEFORE I WAS SAVED,
• 17:42 JUST AN ORDINARY UNBELIEVER, DRIVING IN THE RAIN,
• 17:45 MY CAR STARTED TO HYDROPLANE AND IT SIMPLY WENT OFF THE HIGHWAY
• 17:49 AND IT'S HITTING STUFF ON THE SHOULDER AND I CAN'T STOP OR ANYTHING
• 17:52 AND I HEARD MY OWN VOICE, NOT JESUS, BUT I SAID GOD, DEAR GOD, HELP ME, HELP ME.
• 17:58 AND SOMEHOW THAT CAR CAME TO STOP AND DENTS EVERYWHERE AND SO ON AND I,
• 18:04 NOT EVEN SHAKEN UP, JUST CAME TO A STOP LIKE A HAND REACHED DOWN AND STOPPED THE CAR.
• 18:10 IT WASN'T LONG AFTER THAT I CAME TO THE LORD,
• 18:14 BUT IT WASN'T ABOUT THAT, BUT I REFLECTED BACK ON THAT THINKING,
• 18:18 BOY WE KNOW IN A TIGHT SPOT FROM WHENCE COMETH OUR HELP.
• 18:22 I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE MUSLIM OR A RED CHINESE OR WHATEVER,
• 18:25 YOU FINALLY KNOW THERE WAS A GOD THAT MADE THIS WORLD
• 18:28 AND BY GOSH WHEN IT COMES TIME TO LEAVE IT YOU REALLY REMEMBER.
• 18:32 IT CERTAINLY SEEMS GOD IS REVEALING HIMSELF ESPECIALLY TO THE MUSLIM WORLD
• 18:36 AND ALL OVER THE WORLD OF COURSE, BUT TO ME, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
• 18:39 ESPECIALLY THE MUSLIM WORLD, HE'S DOING IT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
• 18:42 THE GUY I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT IN MANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, BUT PROMINENT SHEIK,
• 18:48 WHICH IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER AND SCHOLAR AND ONE OF THE--
• 18:52 I CANNOT TELL YOU IN WHAT COUNTRY AND CITY, BUT LET'S JUST PUT IT THIS WAY,
• 18:56 ONE OF THE MAJOR MOSQUES IN ALL THE MIDDLE EAST AND A LONG STORY, SHORT,
• 19:01 HE GAVE HIS LIFE TO CHRIST ONE DAY, HE KEPT HIS TITLE
• 19:05 AND TURNED OVER HIS PREACHING TO THE OTHER SHEIK
• 19:07 BECAUSE THERE ARE REQUIRED MANY SHEIK TO OPERATE THIS MOSQUE
• 19:10 BECAUSE THEY HAD 50,000 ADHERENTS, AND SO HE TURNED OVER HIS PREACHING DUTIES
• 19:16 IN ORDER TO KEEP HIS TITLE SO THAT HE HAD FREE ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY TO DO WHAT-
• 19:21 TO BRING BIBLES AND TRACTS BACK INTO THE COUNTRY,
• 19:23 WHICH ARE PROHIBITED TO PASS THEM OUT TO PEOPLE IN HIS COUNTRY.
• 19:28 IT'S AN AMAZING STORY AFTER STORY.
• 19:30 THERE'S A PARALLEL STORY OF A RABBI IN A EUROPEAN CITY IN WWI TIME WHO CAME TO THE LORD,
• 19:39 IRRESISTIBLY AND HE TRIED TO STAY IN THERE IN THE PULPIT EVERY SATURDAY
• 19:44 AND PREACH JESUS CHRIST TO A JEWISH CONGREGATION
• 19:47 AND OF COURSE AFTER A TIME THEY RAN HIM OUT OF TOWN.
• 19:51 WHEN HE DIED THEY WOULD NOT BURY HIM IN THE JEWISH CEMETERY, THIS SORT OF THING,
• 19:56 BUT A FEW PEOPLE HEARD WHAT HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CONFESS ME BEFORE MEN,
• 20:02 RIGHT.
• 20:04 HE PLANTED THE SEED.
• 20:05 LET ME GO BACK TO THE MOSQUES YOU WENT TO AS YOU GREW UP AND SO ON.
• 20:10 WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, YOU MUST HAVE SEEN SOMEBODY COME TO CHRIST,
• 20:13 WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE MOSQUE ABOUT THAT.
• 20:15 YOU MEAN, ARE YOU SAYING--
• 20:17 WELL, A PARISHIONER, JUST SOMEBODY WHO CAME TO SERVICES AND THEN HE SAYS,
• 20:21 WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE NOW.
• 20:23 OK, IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN A MOSQUE NOW, FORMERLY MUSLIMS.
• 20:29 I'VE HAD WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK TO MANY MUSLIMS
• 20:32 AND I'VE SEEN, WITNESSED MANY MUSLIMS COME TO CHRIST WITH MY OWN EYES
• 20:37 AND BEEN THERE AND HAVE HELPED MANY SEE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO.
• 20:42 YOU CANNOT FORCE ANYONE TO CONVERT, YOU CAN ONLY PRESENT THE EVIDENCE
• 20:46 AND I KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE AND OF COURSE, CANNOT NAME THEM, ZOLA,
• 20:51 YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE THERE'S MANY REPERCUSSIONS,
• 20:53 UNFORTUNATELY, IN OUR CULTURE FOR CONVERSION.
• 20:57 A LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY OUTSIDE OF AMERICA, THE PENALTY IS DEATH,
• 21:01 BUT IN AMERICA IT'S NOT SO EASY TO CARRY IT OUT.
• 21:03 DEATH, WOW.
• 21:04 UNFORTUNATELY.
• 21:06 THE JEWS PRETEND THAT THE PERSON DIED, BUT THE MUSLIMS REALLY TAKE CARE OF IT.
• 21:10 ABSOLUTELY, UNFORTUNATELY.
• 21:12 AND THEN WHAT IF AN IMAM OR SOMEBODY IMPORTANT, THAT HAS HAPPENED, COMES TO A BELIEF,
• 21:20 DOES HE TRY TO DO WHAT THAT EUROPEAN RABBI DID?
• 21:23 CAN YOU ALLOW ME TO TELL YOU A 3 SECOND STORY?
• 21:26 PLEASE.
• 21:27 ANOTHER COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST, THERE WAS 17 IN A ROW,
• 21:29 THIS JUST HAPPENED IN THE LAST YEAR, ALL 17 WERE IMAMS,
• 21:33 ALL 17, SORRY, 15 OF THE 17 WERE KILLED ONE AFTER THE OTHER
• 21:38 WITH A NOTE AFTER EACH ONE, THE 16TH PERSON WAS WARNED
• 21:42 THAT IF HE SPOKE AGAIN ABOUT THE BIBLE IN THAT COUNTRY HE WOULD BE KILLED.
• 21:46 HE DEFIED, OF COURSE, THEY KILLED HIM.
• 21:48 THE LAST ONE LEFT, CAME BACK A MONTH LATER DRESSED AS SOMETHING ELSE
• 21:53 SO HE COULD CONCEAL HIS IDENTITY TO CONTINUE THE WORK OF THE PASSING OUT THE GOSPEL.
• 21:57 THAT'S HOW MUCH ZEAL A MUSLIM, WHO CONVERTS TO CHRIST,
• 22:00 AS A JEW WHO CONVERTS TO CHRIST WOULD HAVE.
• 22:03 THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ZEAL.
• 22:04 THEY WANT TO SERVE THE LORD.
• 22:05 THAT'S HOW MUCH THEY LOVE THEIR PEOPLE.
• 22:07 BUT DOES IT HAPPEN? ABSOLUTELY.
• 22:09 IT'S HAPPENING EVERY DAY.
• 22:11 AFTER 16 PEOPLE WERE KILLED, HE COMES BACK IN DISGUISE AND STARTS TO WITNESS.
• 22:15 I HAD A MISSIONARY ON THE PROGRAM ONCE WHOSE FIELD WAS THE SINAI DESERT,
• 22:22 I SAID, MY GOSH, YOU MUST GET SOME PERSECUTION OUT THERE.
• 22:25 HE SAID, OH I DO, BUT PERSECUTION IS THE PROPER EXERCISE OF THE CHURCH.
• 22:31 CHRISTIANS GET WEAK AND FLABBY BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET ENOUGH PERSECUTION.
• 22:35 RIGHT.
• 22:37 IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
• 22:39 I'VE HAD, I SPOKE, I ALWAYS CITE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS AT PITTSBURGH
• 22:43 WHERE I SPOKE ONE TIME, THERE WAS A MUSLIM PROFESSOR, MY AGE, IN THE FRONT ROW,
• 22:48 A PROFESSOR OF CHEMISTRY I BELIEVE AND HE SAT AND LISTENED TO WHAT I SAID,
• 22:54 ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO THE LAND AND THEN A QUESTION PERIOD
• 22:57 IN WHICH MUSLIM GIRLS WITH HEADDRESSES AND THE USUAL QUESTIONS AND SO ON.
• 23:02 EVERYTHING WAS FINE, BUT SUDDENLY HE LOST HIS COOL COMPLETELY,
• 23:07 STOOD UP AND SCREAMED, YOU ARE THE TERRORIST.
• 23:10 RIGHT.
• 23:11 HOLY MOSES, I MEAN.
• 23:13 WELL, IT IS TRUE.
• 23:15 I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT DEBATE IN DURBAN SOUTH AFRICA,
• 23:19 ACTUALLY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DIALOGUE, 11,000 PEOPLE WITH AHMED DEEDAT AND JOSH MCDOWELL.
• 23:25 WELL, JOSH MCDOWELL WILL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THE GOVERNMENT
• 23:28 HAD TO ESCORT HIM OUT OF THE FACILITY BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO KILL HIM,
• 23:32 TAKE HIM TO THE AIRPORT AND GET HIM OUT OF THE COUNTRY, BUT AS A SIDE NOTE,
• 23:36 AHMED DEEDAT'S BROTHER LEFT WITH JOSH MCDOWELL AFTER THIS 3 HOUR, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT DEBATE,
• 23:42 LEFT WITH JOSH MCDOWELL FOR 3 WEEKS ON THE CIRCUIT, HE WAS SO MOVED BY THE DEBATE.
• 23:47 JOSH MCDOWELL IS A GREAT WITNESS.
• 23:49 IT WAS FABULOUS, ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC.
• 23:52 I REMEMBER HIM AS A KID WHEN I WAS IN CAMPUS CRUSADE.
• 23:54 RIGHT, BUT THE VIOLENCE, WHY THE VIOLENCE?
• 23:57 DOESN'T IT OCCUR TO THE ORDINARY CITIZEN THAT IF WE KEEP HAVING TO KILL THESE GUYS
• 24:01 AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DIE, THERE MUST BE SOMETHING TO THIS?
• 24:03 RIGHT, WELL, THAT'S THE ISSUE.
• 24:05 THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE.
• 24:07 WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE JUST TO TALK WITHOUT THE VIOLENCE.
• 24:11 WHERE DOES THE VIOLENCE COME FROM?
• 24:14 HOW DO YOU STOP THE VIOLENCE?
• 24:15 THESE ARE QUESTIONS WE ALL WANT TO KNOW.
• 24:16 I MEAN, CHRISTIANS AND JEWS DON'T KILL PEOPLE.
• 24:20 BUDDHIST DON'T KILL PEOPLE.
• 24:21 OUR FAITH DOESN'T CALL US TO KILL PEOPLE.
• 24:24 MAN, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF OUR FALLEN NATURE,
• 24:27 WE DO THINGS THAT ARE WRONG AGAINST GOD'S WILL.
• 24:30 WE'RE THE ONE WHO SINNED, BUT GOD DIDN'T DESIGN IT THAT WAY.
• 24:34 THE BIBLE DOESN'T TELL US TO DO THINGS.
• 24:36 UNFORTUNATELY, IN PART OF OUR TRADITIONS AND FAITH AND CULTURE
• 24:40 IT TELLS US THAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IT,
• 24:43 WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KILL ALL THOSE WHO RESIST ISLAM AFTER BEING WARNED.
• 24:49 THAT IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE MANY MUSLIM SCHOLARS WILL SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE,
• 24:54 YOU'RE MISINTERPRETING IT AND MANY WILL SAY, WELL THAT IS TRUE AND WILL TAKE IT LITERALLY.
• 24:57 SO, YOU HAVE A DIVIDE.
• 24:59 YOU HAVE MANY VOICES IN THE MDDLE EAST SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE,
• 25:01 THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION COMES IN THE MUSLIM WORLD.
• 25:04 THAT'S WHY SOME MUSLIMS WILL SAY, NO, IT'S NOT TRUE
• 25:06 AND SOME MUSLIMS SAY, YES IT IS TRUE, SO HOW DO WE KNOW?
• 25:08 SO, I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO AND EXAMINE EVEN JUST A SURFACE STUDY OF THE KORAN
• 25:15 TO LOOK IN AND SEE FOR THEMSELVES.
• 25:16 ALRIGHT, YOU'RE COMING BACK FOR 2 MORE PROGRAMS.
• 25:19 YOU'RE JUST SO FASCINATING TO LISTEN TO, YOU REALLY ARE.
• 25:22 IN THE NEXT PROGRAM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME VIDEO FOOTAGE
• 25:26 THAT WE GOT AT AN ISRAELI MILITARY PRISON OF REAL TERRORIST WHO'VE BEEN ARRESTED.
• 25:32 I MEAN, REAL KILLERS AND THEY TALK ALL DIFFERENT WAYS.
• 25:35 I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT GUYS
• 25:36 AND I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU TO LOOK AT THEM AND EXAMINE THEM.
• 25:39 YOU LIVED THIS LIFE.
• 25:42 YOU WEREN'T KILLING PEOPLE, BUT BOY YOU WERE UP TO A LOT OF STUFF WEREN'T YOU?
• 25:45 YEAH, I WAS.
• 25:47 WELL, I WANTED TO BE.
• 25:48 THAT WAS MY ROLE.
• 25:49 HE WAS A GOOD KID, HE DID WHAT HIS ELDERS TAUGHT HIM
• 25:52 AND TOLD HIM AND WENT ALL THE WAY TO PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES TO DO IT.
• 25:57 BORN AND RAISED IN DEARBORN, HE WENT OVER THERE AND THREW ROCKS AND WHATEVER ELSE
• 26:02 AND GOT HIMSELF IN TROUBLE, GOT ARRESTED, GOT SPRUNG AND HE'S BACK
• 26:08 AND I'M SO GLAD AND WE'LL BE BACK WITH HIM NEXT WEEK
• 26:12 AND SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.