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Caption transcript for Bad Moon Rising: “Bright Lights in a Darkened World” (4/8)

• 00:04 WITH DR. JEFFREY SEIF AND SANDRA LEVITT
• 00:11 AS DARK CLOUDS OMINOUSLY LOOM OVER THE HORIZON
• 00:15 RADICAL MUSLIMS CHARGE THE ATMOSPHERE
• 00:18 WITH BRAZEN DISREGARD.
• 00:20 AS THE SUN SETS OVER CHRISTIAN EUROPE
• 00:23 SLEEPING CHRISTIANS NEED TO WAKE UP
• 00:26 NON-CHRISTIANS NEED TO GET UP
• 00:28 AND MODERATE MUSLIMS NEED TO RISE UP.
• 00:42 A HEARTY SHALOM TO ALL OF YOU.
• 00:44 JEFFREY SEIF HERE,
• 00:45 WITH MY FRIEND SANDRA LEVITT.
• 00:46 SHALOM
• 00:48 AND WELCOME BACK TO THE SERIES "BAD MOON RISING"
• 00:50 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT EVILS IN THE WORLD JEFF.
• 00:53 WHAT DO WE DO?
• 00:54 WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN TO US?
• 00:56 WELL, THAT'S A REALLY BIG QUESTION.
• 00:59 YEAH, BUT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME OF THE ANSWERS.
• 01:02 RIGHT, I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE IN SO MANY WAYS.
• 01:06 WE LIVE IN PRECARIOUS TIMES.
• 01:08 I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN EUROPE
• 01:12 AND ISLAMIC ENCROACHMENT ROUND ABOUT IN ISRAEL.
• 01:16 AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE BETTER INFORMED.
• 01:18 I'M MORE CONCERNED NOT THAT WE'RE NOT INFORMED...
• 01:22 I DON'T THINK WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY RIGHT
• 01:24 I DON'T THINK WE THINK THERE'S A THREAT AGAINST US AT ALL.
• 01:27 I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE BIBLICAL TEXT WE'RE TOLD TO FIGHT THE FIGHT.
• 01:33 THAT'S ONE KIND OF IMAGE THAT'S USED.
• 01:34 AND WE'RE TOLD THAT THE CHRISTIAN LIFE IS A WALK. >>RIGHT
• 01:38 THE WORD "WALK" IN HEBREW "HOLECH" MEANS TO WALK.
• 01:42 AND TO BE A JEW MEANS TO WALK THE WALK.
• 01:44 IN AA MEETINGS PEOPLE SAY "YOU WALK THE WALK BUT DO YOU TALK THE TALK?"
• 01:47 THAT'S RIGHT.
• 01:49 AND I'M GLAD TO SEE WHEN PEOPLE RISE UP AND MOVE AND WALK AND GO.
• 01:50 WE GOT A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT IN GERMANY TODAY.
• 01:53 AND THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT WE WANT TO STAND UP AND SAY, "HEY, WE COUNT."
• 01:57 "THIS IS WHAT WE STAND FOR."
• 01:59 "THIS IS WRONG, THIS IS RIGHT."
• 02:00 "LET'S GET IT TOGETHER." >>THAT'S RIGHT.
• 02:03 AND REALLY ITS WHERE WE'RE GOING.
• 02:04 WE'RE GOING TO SEE REGULAR PEOPLE STANDING UP IN AN IRREGULAR WAY.
• 02:07 RIGHT, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE MARCH.
• 02:09 HERE'S THE MARCH.
• 02:18 (Jeff speaking) GATHERING IN ALLACH, GERMANY,
• 02:21 MARCHERS PREPARE FOR THE FINAL LEG OF THE JOURNEY
• 02:24 PINNING ON STARS AND PICKING UP FLAGS
• 02:27 AS THEY GET READY FOR THEIR JOURNEY INTO THE DREADED AND INFAMOUS DACHAU.
• 02:52 HE DIED FOR US.
• 02:55 HE SPILLED HIS BLOOD.
• 03:50 YES, I'M FROM GERMANY IN TUBINGEN.
• 03:52 MY NAME IS YOCHANAN BEN YEHUDA
• 03:55 IT'S SUCH A PRIVILEGE.
• 03:58 HONORED.
• 03:59 HONORED AND PRIVILEGED TO CARRY THE FLAG OF MY PEOPLE ISRAEL.
• 04:03 IT'S OVERWHELMING.
• 04:05 I WANT TO TAKE THE BURDEN OFF THIS NATION WHERE I'M CARRYING THE FLAG.
• 04:10 I WANT TO IDENTIFY MYSELF REALLY WITH THIS JEWISH PEOPLE.
• 04:15 (Woman speaking) I THANK GOD THAT I CAN WALK ON THIS MARCH
• 04:19 BECAUSE I KNOW NORMALLY....
• 04:24 I CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE ALL THE SINS ARE ALSO IN MY HEART.
• 04:28 IT TOUCHES ME AS A JEW IN THE DEEPEST PARTS OF MY HEART.
• 04:32 IT'S A TREMENDOUS BLESSING.
• 04:35 TO SEE THE GERMAN'S THEMSELVES WEAR THE SAME STAR THAT WOULD IDENTIFY US AS JEWS BACK IN THE HOLOCAUST.
• 04:44 TO WEAR THIS YELLOW STAR, IT'S A PRIVILEGE...
• 04:50 AND TO BE ABLE TO MARCH
• 04:52 BOTH JEW AND GENTILE,
• 04:54 ONE IN MESSIAH, WITH OUR GERMAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN YESHUA
• 04:58 TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THIS WORLD.
• 05:01 TO BREAK THE COVER OF SILENCE OVER GERMANY.
• 05:04 JUST SPEAK OUT, DO NOT BE SILENT ANY LONGER.
• 05:08 IN MY FAMILY I HAVE TWO GRANDFATHERS,
• 05:11 THEY WERE SOLDIERS IN THE WORLD WAR
• 05:14 AND I ONLY KNEW ONE OF THEM AND HE NEVER SPOKE ABOUT THE WAR.
• 05:18 AND I KNOW THAT HE DID VERY TERRIBLE THINGS.
• 05:22 MY GRANDFATHER, HE WAS IN THE SS
• 05:24 AND HIS BROTHER WAS MAYOR OF THE CITY
• 05:27 AND HE WAS LOOKING FIRST TO GET ALL THE JEWISH PEOPLE OUT OF THE CITY
• 05:34 AND SO HE WROTE A LETTER TO HITLER AND TOLD HIM,
• 05:39 "I'M ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES IN GERMANY WITHOUT JEWS."
• 05:45 AND SO IN THAT WAY HE ALSO ASKED HIM,
• 05:49 "DO YOU WANT TO BE AN HONORED CITIZEN?"
• 05:52 AND HITLER WROTE BACK AND HE SAID, "YES, I'D LOVE TO BE THAT"
• 05:57 I SEE ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN MY FAMILY
• 06:01 AND MY FAMILY WAS ALSO IN THE SS
• 06:05 AND I KNOW ALL THE SIN AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WAS IN MY HOUSEHOLD.
• 06:11 I CANNOT SAY THAT I WOULD HAVE NOT DONE ALL THE THINGS THAT MY FOREFATHERS HAS DONE,
• 06:17 BUT I WOULDN'T DO THAT NOW. SO...
• 06:21 I WANT TO PRAY FOR GERMANY.
• 06:24 (Woman speaking) YOU KNOW THIS MORNING WHEN WE STARTED I JUST TOLD RAMONA,
• 06:28 WE SAW THE POLICE AND I SAID,
• 06:30 "IT'S TO REASON, WONDER IS IT, THEY HAVE TO CLOSE THE STREETS FOR US?"
• 06:34 AND I SAID, "BUT I BELIEVE THE OTHER REASON'S ALSO TO PROTECT US"
• 06:38 "BECAUSE OF STILL THE NAZI SPIRIT IN OUR LAND."
• 06:42 OPEN YOUR EYES, OPEN YOUR EYES TO WHAT THE LORD WANTS TO DO WITH GERMANY.
• 06:47 I THINK I...I NEED GOD'S MERCY.
• 06:52 I GUESS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO KNOW
• 06:54 THAT THERE IS RECONCILIATION IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, YESHUA,
• 06:57 THE HOPE OF THIS WORLD, THE PEACE OF THIS WORLD
• 07:02 IS GOING TO BE FOUND IN JESUS, YESHUA HAMASHIACH.
• 07:12 (Sandra speaking) OUR GERMAN PRODUCER, MATTHIAS
• 07:14 STOPPED TO TALK WITH A COUPLE
• 07:15 WHO WITNESSED THE ORIGINAL DEATH MARCH ALONG THIS VERY SAME ROAD.
• 07:19 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 07:22 EVERY DAY THERE WAS THESE MARCHES
• 07:24 BECAUSE FROM THE CAMP TO THE WORKING PLACES THERE WAS...
• 07:29 THEY BRING IT.
• 07:30 AND EVERY DAY OF PASSING BY HERE.
• 07:34 AND AT FIRST IN THE BEGINNING THE PEOPLE ROUND HERE,
• 07:39 THEY TRIED TO FEED THEM AND GIVE THEM SHOES AND SOME THINGS ELSE.
• 07:43 BUT AFTER SOME DAYS THE SS, THEY MAKE A LINE SO THEY COULDN'T GO AND CONTACT THE PEOPLE.
• 07:51 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 07:55 IT WAS HORRIBLE FOR HER.
• 07:57 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 08:08 AT THE START SHE TRIED TO FEED THEM, TO PUT SOME BREAD ON THE STREET, "YOU CAN GRAB UP THAT",
• 08:14 BUT THE SS STOPPED THEIR EFFORTS
• 08:17 BECAUSE THE SS WANTED TO KILL THEM.
• 08:20 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 08:29 THE SS CUT OFF THIS BY MAKING THEM FEAR TO BRING THEM IN DEATH CAMPS.
• 08:56 THE WONDER
• 09:02 THE BEAUTY
• 09:09 THE SOUL OF THE HOLY LAND
• 09:15 FOR MORE INFORMATION ON OUR NEXT TOUR TO ISRAEL CALL:
• 09:23 THAT'S ISRAEL.
• 09:24 THERE'S JUST ANOTHER REASON TO GO SEE ISRAEL.
• 09:26 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
• 09:28 AND I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS AND I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
• 09:30 WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISPERSED FOR 2000 YEARS AND COME HOME AGAIN TO THEIR LAND?
• 09:36 NONE.
• 09:37 THERE ARE NONE IN THE WORLD.
• 09:38 ISRAEL IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT HAS THEIR HOMELAND AGAIN.
• 09:41 1948, THEY'RE A STATE, THEY COME HOME, YOU NEED TO SEE ISRAEL.
• 09:45 YAD VASHEM HAS ONE OF THE MOST WONDERFUL HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL AND MUSEUMS IN THE WHOLE WORLD JEFF
• 09:52 AND WE NEED TO SEE IT.
• 09:54 AND I SEE THAT YOU'VE GOT A YELLOW STAR JUDE THING ON YOU.
• 09:57 YES, ITS NOT EASY TO WEAR AT ONE LEVEL.
• 10:00 HITLER MADE JEWS WEAR THIS AS AN IDENTIFYING MARK.
• 10:04 AND THESE MARCHERS FROM TUBINGEN PUT IT ON.
• 10:08 THEY REALLY WANTED TO IDENTIFY WITH THE JEWS.
• 10:10 CAN YOU IMAGINE PUTTING IT ON AND SAYING,
• 10:13 "I AM SUPPORTING THIS"?
• 10:15 I MEAN THEY LET THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
• 10:17 RIGHT AND I'M SO THRILLED BECAUSE
• 10:18 THESE ARE GERMANS FROM TUBINGEN.
• 10:21 THE UNIVERSITY OF TUBINGEN
• 10:23 WAS ARGUABLY THE MOST VERITABLY ANTI-SEMITIC UNIVERSITY IN THE WORLD.
• 10:28 IN FACT, GEHARD KITTLE, A FAMOUS THEOLOGIAN PRINTED IN ENGLISH WAS A PROFESSOR THERE.
• 10:35 AND LET ME RANT FOR A SECOND.
• 10:38 TODAY IN EVANGELICAL PASTOR'S STUDIES
• 10:42 KITTLE'S THEOLOGICAL DICTIONARY OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS ARGUABLE THE MOST OFT USED AND FAMOUS.
• 10:48 WHAT'S PROBLEMATIC ABOUT THAT IS GERHARDT KITTLE WAS A NAZI THEOLOGIAN.
• 10:53 AND NOT JUST A THEOLOGIAN, HE WAS HITLER'S LEAD DOG
• 10:57 THAT GAVE THEOLOGICAL CREDENCE TO HITLER'S "FINAL SOLUTION".
• 11:02 ROBERT ERIKSON, PUBLISHED UNDER YALE UNIVERSITY PRESS,
• 11:05 "THEOLOGIANS UNDER HITLER" AND DID THE EXPOSÉ.
• 11:09 TO ME ITS PROBLEMATIC THAT AMERICANS TOLERATE THAT.
• 11:12 AND WHY DO PEOPLE DO IT?
• 11:14 BECAUSE THEY DON'T SPEAK UP.
• 11:16 THEY SAY HE'S SO VERY SMART
• 11:17 AND SO VERY INSIGHTFUL.
• 11:19 NEVER MIND THE FACT THAT HE'S A NAZI.
• 11:21 UGH!
• 11:23 ITS THAT VEIL OF SILENCE.
• 11:24 PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO SAY ANYTHING.
• 11:26 IT'S BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT.
• 11:28 IT'S NOT STANDING UP AND SAYING,
• 11:29 "THIS IS WRONG AND THIS IS RIGHT".
• 11:31 WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT?
• 11:33 WHY ARE WE SO AFRAID TO STAND UP?
• 11:35 I DON'T KNOW.
• 11:36 BUT YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TEACHING AT THE CREMATORIUM
• 11:38 AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY DO DREAD.
• 11:42 HERE'S JEFF AT THE CREMATORIUM.
• 11:57 ADOLPH HITLER SAID THAT THE JEWS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING 2 PARTICULAR PLAGUES INTO THE WORLD.
• 12:02 ONE WAS CIRCUMCISION AND THE OTHER WAS CONSCIENCE.
• 12:06 APPARENTLY ADOLPH HITLER HAD A PROBLEM WITH CONSCIENCE.
• 12:11 THAT WOULDN'T COME AS A SURPRISE TO ANY OF US NOW WOULD IT?
• 12:14 I'M PARTICULARLY REMINDED OF THAT STANDING HERE BEFORE A CREMATORIUM
• 12:19 WHERE BODIES WERE PLACED ON THESE STRETCHERS IF YOU IF WILL
• 12:23 AND ROLLED INTO THESE OVENS WHERE THEY WERE INCINERATED.
• 12:30 HERE I AM AT DACHAU AND HERE I AM PARTICULARLY
• 12:34 AT THE PLACE WHERE SO MANY BODIES WERE JUST TORCHED INTO OBLIVION.
• 12:40 ADJACENT TO THIS AREA IS THE GAS CHAMBERS.
• 12:44 I WAS JUST WALKING THROUGH THERE BEFORE COMING HERE.
• 12:47 ITS TRAGIC ISN'T IT?
• 12:49 HITLER SAID, "YES, ONE OF THE PLAGUES THAT THE JEWS BROUGHT THE WORLD WAS CONSCIENCE."
• 13:01 IN BIBLICAL LITERATURE THERE WAS A JEWISH RABBI NAMED PAUL WHO WROTE TO THE CORINTHIANS ONCE
• 13:08 AND HE SAID IN THE 13TH CHAPTER, THE 3RD VERSE,
• 13:17 THE EXPRESSION, "GIVING A BODY TO BE BURNED"
• 13:19 WAS SOMETHING HE WAS ACCOMMODATING TO HIS CULTURE.
• 13:22 JEWS DIDN'T GIVE THEIR BODIES TO BE BURNED.
• 13:24 JEWS DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THIS IS A WAY OF FINISHING UP LIFE.
• 13:28 INASMUCH AS HUMANS CAME FROM THE EARTH,
• 13:30 THE BELIEF WAS THAT THE MOST DIGNIFIED WAY TO SAY GOODBYE
• 13:35 WOULD BE TO DEPOSIT SOMEONE IN THE EARTH FROM WHICH THEY CAME.
• 13:39 BUT HERE THERE WAS NO DIGNITY IN JEWISH LIFE,
• 13:41 THERE WAS NO DIGNITY IN JEWISH DEATH.
• 13:43 AND SO JEWS WERE SHOVELED OFF INTO THESE OVENS.
• 14:00 (Sandra speaking) FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE OF WORLD WAR II
• 14:02 THERE WERE DIFFERENT KINDS OF DEATH.
• 14:04 PETER LOTH CAME TO EXPERIENCE A DARKNESS PERHAPS WORSE THAN DEATH
• 14:07 WHEN HE WAS TAKEN TO A SO-CALLED RESEARCH CENTER.
• 14:10 IT ALL STARTED WITH HIS BIRTH IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP.
• 14:14 REALLY IT BEGAN IN MARCH 1943
• 14:17 WHEN MY MOTHER WAS ARRESTED BY THE GESTAPO
• 14:20 AND PUT INSTANTLY WITHOUT A TRIAL, WITHOUT ASKING ANYTHING,
• 14:24 IN A DEATH CAMP AND SHE WAS PREGNANT.
• 14:27 THE REASON I SURVIVED, BECAUSE STUTTHOF NO CHILD SURVIVED,
• 14:31 THEY TOOK ME FOR THE RESEARCH CENTER... AND THEY EXPERIMENT ON ME.
• 14:36 IN 1945 A LOT OF KILLING AND MASSACRE TOOK IN STUTTHOF
• 14:40 BECAUSE THEY WANT TO EXTERMINATE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE
• 14:43 BUT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TIME SO THEY PUT US IN A TRAIN
• 14:47 AND WE WENT TOWARDS AUSCHWITZ
• 14:51 AND THAT'S HOW WE WERE LIBERATED BY THE RUSSIANS AND POLES,
• 14:55 THAT THE WOMEN'S TRIES RUNNING AWAY FROM THE RUSSIANS AND FROM THE GERMANS
• 14:59 AND THERE WAS A POLISH LADY IN THAT TRAIN STATION
• 15:02 AND MY MOTHER WENT TO HER SAYS, "TAKE THIS CHILD I CAN'T RUN WITH HIM."
• 15:08 AND SHE SAID "YES, I WILL TAKE IT."
• 15:09 SO SHE GIVE HER THE PAPERS AND SHE TOOK ME
• 15:12 AND FOR ABOUT A COUPLE YEARS EVERYTHING WAS GOOD.
• 15:15 BUT THEN THE RUSSIANS CAME AND THEY ASK FOR PAPERS OF THE CHILDREN
• 15:19 AND MY PAPERS WERE GERMAN.
• 15:22 AND SO INSTANTLY THEY TOOK ME AWAY FROM HER AND THEY PUT ME IN THE PRISONS.
• 15:27 AND THEY TOOK ME TO THE ORPHANAGE
• 15:28 AND THAT'S WHERE WE BECOME SLAVES AND RAPED US AND BEAT US
• 15:33 AND BY THE TIME AGE OF 14 I HAVE SIX RECTAL OPERATIONS.
• 15:37 SO THAT SHOWS YOU HOW MANY TIMES YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY RAPED TO BE...
• 15:42 TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW.
• 15:44 AND THERE WAS A YOUNG LITTLE GIRL WITH ME, LIKE ME.
• 15:47 AND I SAW, WITNESS WITH MY EYES, WHEN 4 OR 5 MEN WAS RAPING HER AND BEATING HER
• 15:53 AND THEN THEY TOOK THE BOYS AND DID THE SAME THING.
• 15:56 IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE OR EVEN TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW.
• 15:59 BECAUSE ITS TOO EMOTIONAL.
• 16:02 EVEN TODAY I CAN'T EVEN HARDLY TALK ABOUT IT.
• 16:04 IMAGINE AS A CHILD NOT TO HAVE SOMEONE TO LOVE,
• 16:09 NOT TO HAVE...NO ONE TO CARE FOR YOU.
• 16:11 YOU DON'T KNOW HOW READ OR WRITE.
• 16:13 ONLY THING YOU KNOW...WORK AND SOMEBODY RAPING YOU.
• 16:17 THAT'S ALL THERE WAS IN MY LIFE TIL WAS AGE OF 15.
• 16:21 I WOULD SAY 1992 AFTER THE HURRICANE ANDREW
• 16:23 I WORKED IN MIAMI AND I WORKED FOR MIAMI METROZOO.
• 16:27 AND THIS YESHUA ACTUALLY APPEARED TO ME.
• 16:31 MOST PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE BUT IT HAPPENED...APPEARED TO ME
• 16:35 AND HE SAID, "COME, FOLLOW ME."
• 16:37 AND I SAID, "BUT I'M NOT A SPEAKER AND I CAN'T EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH GOOD."
• 16:41 "I'VE GOT THIS ACCENT" ...YOU KNOW... "JUST FOLLOW ME."
• 16:45 AND HE SAID "FOLLOW ME."
• 16:47 I SAID, "I CAN'T".
• 16:48 AND THEN HE EXPLAINED TO ME WHY.
• 16:50 "I ASK THOUSANDS OF YOU JEWS TO SPEAK AND THEY SAID 'NO'."
• 16:55 SO THEN I UNDERSTOOD WHAT THAT MEANT WHEN HE ASKED THOUSANDS BEFORE AND THEY SAID NO,
• 17:03 SO I SAID "YES, I WILL DO IT."
• 17:11 (Jeff speaking) "MY GOD!",
• 17:14 SO THEY MUST HAVE WONDERED, "WHAT HAPPENED HERE?"
• 17:17 THE EMOTION RAN HIGH THAT DAY AS HUNDREDS POURED INTO THIS INFAMOUS DEATH CAMP
• 17:23 AND THEY CAME WITH THE WORD OF LIFE TO A VANQUISHED PEOPLE
• 17:28 PRINCIPALLY TO REMIND MODERNS THAT YOU HAVE TO STAND UP, WE HAVE TO SPEAK UP.
• 17:33 I SPOKE WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS,
• 17:35 SOME WASHED MY FEET IN FACT IN THE CHURCH SERVICE A FEW NIGHTS BEFORE.
• 17:38 THE SONS OF STORM TROOPERS SAID "PLEASE FORGIVE THE SINS OF MY PARENTS."
• 17:45 AND THEIR HEARTS BLED AS THEY CONSIDERED THE PAST.
• 17:49 AND AS THEY WANTED TO STAND TOGETHER TO GIVE A WARNING TO THOSE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE,
• 17:53 THAT IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE PAST THERE'S OTHER CAMPS
• 17:57 AND OTHER WAYS OF ANNIHILATION WILL BE FORTHCOMING,
• 18:01 AND AS WE TAKE THOUGHT TO THE FACT THAT INDEED THERE MAY WELL BE A "BAD MOON RISING".
• 18:09 (Sandra speaking) WE WERE ABLE TO CATCH UP WITH PASTOR JOBST
• 18:11 AND TINA, HIS TRANSLATOR
• 18:13 TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS AND FIND OUT WHAT WAS MEANINGFUL FOR THEM AS THEY ENTERED INTO DACHAU.
• 18:19 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 18:26 "FOR ME THE MARCH GOING FROM ALLACH TO DACHAU"
• 18:28 "WAS THE MOST SPIRITUALLY INTENSE EXPERIENCE I'VE EVER HAD."
• 18:32 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 18:34 "WE'VE DONE SEVERAL OF THESE MARCHES BEFORE."
• 18:36 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 18:39 "THE LONGEST BEING FROM BERLIN TO MOSCOW,"
• 18:41 "THAT WAS 2000 KILOMETERS."
• 18:43 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 18:44 "AND ONCE WE WERE WALKING THROUGH THE AREA EFFECTED BY CHERNOBYL"
• 18:47 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 18:49 "AND THEY WERE ALWAYS VERY SPECIAL TIMES."
• 18:51 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 18:53 "AND WE WERE ALSO VERY CHALLENGED THROUGH THEM."
• 18:55 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 18:57 "BUT THIS MARCH HAD SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL ABOUT IT".
• 18:59 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:03 "THE ONE THING WAS THAT THE GLORY AND THE PRESENCE OF GOD"
• 19:06 "WAS THERE IN A VERY SPECIAL WAY."
• 19:07 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:14 "BUT THEN WHEN WE WALKING FROM ALLACH TO DACHAU"
• 19:16 "WE TOOK THE FLAGS, WE WERE WEARING THE YELLOW STARS."
• 19:19 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:21 "THERE WAS AN INTERESTING MIXTURE."
• 19:22 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:26 "THE ONE THING WAS THE PAIN, THE BROKENNESS,"
• 19:28 "WHY WE WENT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE,"
• 19:30 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:33 "AND OUR IDENTIFICATION WITH THE DEATH"
• 19:35 "OF MILLIONS OF JEWS."
• 19:36 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:40 "BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IT WAS LIKE A QUIET JOY."
• 19:42 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:44 "A FREEDOM."
• 19:45 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:46 "LIKE A FAMILY WALKING TOGETHER."
• 19:48 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:49 "A COMMON IDENTITY THAT WE HAVE."
• 19:51 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 19:53 "AND I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE IT BEFORE."
• 19:55 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 20:01 "WE ENTERED THROUGH THE GATE INTO THE CAMP"
• 20:03 "AND THEN WE HAD ARRANGED BEFOREHAND"
• 20:05 THAT WE WOULD RECITE KADDISH TOGETHER."
• 20:07 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 20:10 "AND BY THAT TIME IT WASN'T QUITE SURE YET"
• 20:12 "WHETHER WE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT AT THE MONUMENT"
• 20:15 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 20:17 "BUT VERY SPONTANEOUSLY WE HAD RECEIVED THE PRIVILEGE TO DO SO."
• 20:20 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 20:27 "AND THEN WE HAD ARRANGED PREVIOUSLY"
• 20:29 "THAT SOME OF OUR LEADERS WOULD TAKE THE PHOTOGRAPHS"
• 20:31 "OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO HAD PERISHED IN THE HOLOCAUST."
• 20:35 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 20:39 "AND EVERYONE OF THEM HAD ONE OR TWO PICTURES"
• 20:41 "AND THEY WERE STANDING THERE AT THE MEMORIAL."
• 20:44 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 20:46 "AND EVEN WHEN THEY WERE GIVEN THE PHOTOS"
• 20:47 "THEY BROKE DOWN WEEPING."
• 20:49 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 20:51 "IDENTIFY"
• 20:52 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 20:55 "AND FOR EXAMPLE, PETER WAS THERE."
• 20:56 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:00 "AND HE RECEIVED CERTAIN PICTURES FROM AN AMERICAN GUEST"
• 21:04 "THAT HE HAD WANTED TO LOOK AFTER DURING THE MARCH."
• 21:06 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:08 "HE JUST SAW THE PICTURES AND BROKE DOWN."
• 21:09 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:11 THEN WHEN THEY HAD RECITED KADDISH,"
• 21:13 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:16 "THAT HAPPENED EVERYWHERE"
• 21:18 "WITH ALL OF THE GERMAN PARTICIPANTS WHO WERE THERE."
• 21:19 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:22 "BROKENNESS, IDENTIFICATION AND REPENTANCE."
• 21:24 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:26 "AND WHILE THAT WAS HAPPENING.."
• 21:27 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:29 "I BELIEVE SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM"
• 21:31 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:34 "AFTERWARDS I SAW FRIENDS AND STAFF MEMBERS FROM OUR CHURCH."
• 21:37 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:43 "THEY WERE LAYING ON THE GROUND,"
• 21:44 "STRETCHED OUT BEFORE THE MEMORIAL WEEPING"
• 21:47 "LIKE I'VE NEVER SEEN THEM WEEP BEFORE."
• 21:49 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:51 "AND THEN I WENT UP TO THEM AND SAID,"
• 21:52 "IS EVERYTHING OKAY? CAN I HELP YOU?"
• 21:54 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:55 "AND HE SAID, NO, IT'S ALRIGHT."
• 21:57 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 21:58 "AND LATER HE CAME TO ME."
• 22:00 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 22:02 "AND HE SAID, IT WAS JUST WEIGHTS AND WEIGHTS DROPPING OFF HIS SHOULDERS THERE."
• 22:05 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 22:06 "AND HE WAS SMILING AT ME."
• 22:08 (SPEAKING GERMAN)
• 22:09 "SAYING, THIS WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT TIME IN LIFE."
• 22:15 ♪(Piano playing)♪
• 24:23 THOSE SCENES ARE SO WRITTEN IN MY HEART AND IN MY MIND JEFF.
• 24:28 I CANNOT GET THEM OUT OF MY MIND.
• 24:31 TO THINK PEOPLE WENT THROUGH WHAT
• 24:34 THEY WENT THROUGH IN THIS HOLOCAUST.
• 24:36 I CANNOT IMAGINE ANYONE DENYING
• 24:38 THAT SUCH AN EVENT EVEN HAPPENED.
• 24:41 I CAN'T EVEN FATHOM THAT.
• 24:42 WELL, THAT'S THE WORLD'S WORST INSULT. >>RIGHT
• 24:46 THIS IS LIKE A WOMAN WHO IS ON A RAPE TRIAL.
• 24:50 SHE'S BEING RAPED BUT THEN THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY
• 24:52 IS COMING IN DENYING THE EXPERIENCE ITSELF. >>RIGHT
• 24:55 WHICH CAUSES MANY TO LIVE IN A VEIL OF SILENCE
• 24:59 CAUSE ITS NOT WORTH TELLING THE STORY.
• 25:02 BUT TELL THE STORY WE MUST.
• 25:05 BAD MOON RISING ENDEAVORS TO LOOK AT THE PAST AND THE PRESENT
• 25:10 IN THE HOPE OF HAVING SOME EFFECT ON THE FUTURE.
• 25:14 AND WHY DON'T YOU JOIN US IN BEING PROACTIVE IN ADMINISTRATING THE FUTURE.
• 25:19 I BELIEVE THAT BAD THINGS HAPPEN WHEN GOOD PEOPLE JUST DO NOTHING.
• 25:27 WE WANT TO GET THE STORY OUT.
• 25:28 WE WANT TO GET THE STORY STRAIGHT.
• 25:31 WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE FACTS OF THE PAST AND THE PRESENT AND BE PROACTIVE WITH THE FUTURE.
• 25:37 AND WE NEED TO GET INTO THE WORD.
• 25:39 WE NEED TO GET ON OUR HANDS AND KNEES
• 25:40 AND THANK GOD THAT HE LOVED US ENOUGH
• 25:42 TO SEND HIS SON FOR US.
• 25:43 YES >>REALLY AND TRULY WE NEED TO PRAY.
• 25:46 TO LOVE HIM FOR DOING.
• 25:49 THE WORD "LOVE" AS IN "TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD",
• 25:53 THE V'AHAVTA ET ADONAI ELOHECA, "TO LOVE THE LORD".
• 25:58 THE VERB "AHAV" IN HEBREW MEANS "TO DO GOOD ON BEHALF OF".
• 26:03 ITS NOT SIMPLY SENTIMENT. >>RIGHT, RIGHT.
• 26:05 A LOT OF PEOPLE, "YES, I LOVE JESUS"...
• 26:08 BUT WE HAVE TO RATCHET IT UP AND DO SOMETHING, NOT JUST FEEL SOMETHING.
• 26:13 IN FACT, THAT'S WHY I'M SO IN LOVE WITH THE TUBINGEN CHURCH.
• 26:17 WE'VE OBSERVED THEM BEING ACTORS IN HISTORY AND TO ME THAT'S WHAT LOVE IS ALL ABOUT.
• 26:23 AND THEY REALLY ARE.
• 26:24 THEY ARE STANDING UP AND SAYING,
• 26:26 "WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE".
• 26:28 AND THAT...BOY, THAT REALLY JUST MAKES IT ALL WORTHWHILE.
• 26:32 THEY'RE A MODEL TO US ALL.
• 26:33 THEY REALLY ARE.
• 26:34 AND LET US REMEMBER THAT.
• 26:36 LET'S PRAY AND LET'S.... GOD BLESS AMERICA.
• 26:38 "SHA' ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM"
• 26:41 PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.
• 26:46 OUR OFFER ON THIS PROGRAM: