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• 00:01 David Hart: Shalom. Hello again. Have you ever heard the phrase "Somebody's
• 00:06 got too big for their britches"? On today's program, that someone was
• 00:08 the southern kingdom of Judah.
• 00:10 Find out how the Lord responded, right now, on "Our Jewish
• 00:13 Roots," with Bible teaching by Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
• 00:18 ♪♪♪
• 00:23 male voice: We will go.
• 00:25 male narrator: "The Lord said unto Ezekiel,
• 00:28 'Son of man, can these bones live?
• 00:37 Prophesy upon these bones and say unto them, "O ye
• 00:42 dry bones, hear the word of the Lord."'"
• 00:45 ♪♪♪
• 00:55 ♪♪♪
• 01:05 ♪♪♪
• 01:12 narrator: "Ezekiel and the MidEast Piece Process."
• 01:16 ♪♪♪
• 01:20 David: We are glad you've joined us today.
• 01:21 I am David Hart.
• 01:22 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
• 01:24 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I am Jeffrey Seif, and I hope
• 01:27 you'll be glad you joined us today.
• 01:28 It's a tough story, but it's in the
• 01:30 book, so we have to take a look.
• 01:33 Kirsten: We don't like tough stories.
• 01:35 We don't.
• 01:36 It's hard to hear, like, how wretched some people are and how
• 01:39 deep the sin is, and we want flowers
• 01:42 and rainbows and happiness in a restored world,
• 01:44 but we don't like to hear the reality.
• 01:47 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Right, and there's a tough story to tell
• 01:50 here, but if you're raising kids, discipline goes with the
• 01:53 program, and this is a tough stretch of highway here.
• 01:57 We're gonna get to it.
• 01:58 We're gonna get through it.
• 02:00 In fact, let's go there now.
• 02:05 narrator: It had become like a lewd marketplace.
• 02:08 Once a homeless orphan, Israel had become a glorious nation.
• 02:12 She had been faithful to the Lord, but like a wayward wife,
• 02:16 Jerusalem had forgotten her true love.
• 02:19 She was now fornicating with foreign gods, "like a harlot who
• 02:23 poureth out fornications on everyone that passeth by."
• 02:27 "And the Lord said unto Ezekiel, 'Cause
• 02:29 Jerusalem to know her abominations.
• 02:32 Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord.
• 02:35 They shall bring up a company against thee, and
• 02:38 they shall stone thee with stones, and
• 02:40 thrust thee through with their swords.
• 02:42 So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and I will be
• 02:47 quiet, and will no more be angry."
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• 02:54 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: The Ezekiel texts are just rife with
• 02:57 visions, and here he envisions a story, a fascinating story, a
• 03:02 scary story, a story about a girl gone bad.
• 03:06 I want you to look in your Bibles,
• 03:08 please, to the 16th chapter of Ezekiel.
• 03:11 You go ahead and read it in your version.
• 03:13 I'll give it you in mine.
• 03:15 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 03:19 "And the word of the Lord came to me, saying--"
• 03:23 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 03:25 "Son of man--"
• 03:27 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 03:32 "Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations."
• 03:39 For centuries Judah was on a downward spiral, and as a result
• 03:44 of Judah's perfidy, her faithlessness, judgment was
• 03:49 mandated at a point in time out there in the future, given that
• 03:53 she was recalcitrant, that is, she refused to correct herself.
• 03:57 She was stiff-necked. She refused to bow.
• 04:01 She refused to be corrected, and so
• 04:03 she was going to be imposed upon.
• 04:06 But the story is told here, and I, frankly, think it's one of
• 04:09 the most shocking stories in the biblical narrative, played out
• 04:13 against the backdrop of a little girl, an unwanted
• 04:15 little girl, thrown out on an open field.
• 04:20 So disinterested in her was the family, they
• 04:22 didn't bother to wash her and clean her.
• 04:24 They just saw her and threw her
• 04:25 away, and there she was in a dump.
• 04:28 And then we're told that a man of means passed by, who had pity
• 04:32 on her, on the one who no other eye would pity,
• 04:36 this unfortunate little girl, and he took her in.
• 04:40 He washed her.
• 04:41 He took care of her, raised her up, gave her the best of
• 04:43 everything as a daughter, and then she came of age, and he
• 04:47 fell in love with her, and she came under his protection.
• 04:52 The net result is that she who was born in a dump became a
• 04:56 queen, and she enjoyed a privileged
• 04:58 status in a place comparable to this.
• 05:02 Ruins like this are found all over the
• 05:04 Holy Land, hundreds and thousands.
• 05:07 The Antiquities Department isn't able to keep touch.
• 05:09 Can't keep track.
• 05:10 Can't dig it all up, but the stories amongst the felled
• 05:13 stones of lives lived in this place and others like it, and
• 05:18 once upon a time, in a rather privileged place, there was a
• 05:21 woman brought into that world, but then she went bad.
• 05:25 We're told this girl grew up and became
• 05:28 beautiful, and she knew it.
• 05:30 That was her problem. She knew it.
• 05:33 And we're told in verse 14, I want you to look at this, that
• 05:38 "Her renown went forth among the nations her beauty."
• 05:42 She was Miss Universe.
• 05:44 "For it was perfect through My splendor which I put upon thee."
• 05:49 In other words, the Lord doted on her and raised her up, and
• 05:51 that contributes to why she was so gorgeous, but she knew it.
• 05:56 She was overly invested in it, and we're told in verse 15,
• 06:00 tragically, "But you trusted in your own beauty, and you played
• 06:04 the harlot because of your renown, and you poured
• 06:07 out your harlotries on every stranger."
• 06:11 There's a story here of a woman who spurns her noble husband.
• 06:16 She's driven by desire for sex.
• 06:19 She's driven by a spirit of harlotry.
• 06:22 She wants more, and she wants more, and she wants more.
• 06:25 And the irony of it is amazing because God had
• 06:29 blessed her so much, and the fact that she
• 06:31 spurned him was particularly egregious.
• 06:35 Now, remember the background of this story, "Thus saith the
• 06:38 Lord, 'Cause Jerusalem to know her abominations.'
• 06:43 'For Jerusalem,' says Ezekiel, 'you are the woman.'"
• 06:51 narrator: "And the spirit said unto Ezekiel, 'Behold, they
• 06:55 shall put bands upon thee, and shall bind thee with them, and
• 07:00 thou shalt not go out among them.
• 07:02 And I will make thy tongue cleave to the roof of thy mouth,
• 07:06 for they are a rebellious house.'"
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• 07:15 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I'm sure that he was perplexed,
• 07:18 at one level, Ezekiel, what to do.
• 07:20 He was so stirred up inside, because things were
• 07:23 so bad, he wanted to say somethin'.
• 07:25 You ever been that way as a parent?
• 07:26 There's a child he wanted reprove.
• 07:28 Should you talk to them, or shouldn't you?
• 07:30 That is the question.
• 07:31 Sometimes we can have problems with
• 07:33 people in our webs of relationships.
• 07:34 A child, a spouse, an employer, a subordinate,
• 07:38 whatever, and "to speak" or "not to speak"?
• 07:40 That is the question. Ezekiel was a prophet.
• 07:43 And the word "prophet," "navi," means, in effect, "to speak
• 07:46 forth," but sometimes, the word for the prophet is to be silent.
• 07:50 The reason why I say that is, earlier on, in the Ezekiel text,
• 07:54 in the 3rd chapter, Ezekiel is taken at the
• 07:58 beginning of his ministry, and he's taken into
• 08:00 his home, where he's bound up with ropes.
• 08:03 He's tied up. What a drama.
• 08:06 And not only is his body tied up,
• 08:08 but, in fact, his mouth is tied up.
• 08:10 We're told in chapter 3, verse 26, that he's going to be dumb,
• 08:14 his mouth tied up as is his body until such time as the Lord
• 08:18 says, "This is the time, the time to speak,"
• 08:22 and then you have in verse 27, "I'll open
• 08:24 your mouth and tell you what to say."
• 08:26 And what did he tell him to say?
• 08:29 It's not a happy word, at one level, because, as has been
• 08:34 considered already, Ezekiel was very confrontational.
• 08:40 In the 16th chapter, he paints a picture of a world gone bad,
• 08:45 this analogy of a little girl who corrupted herself.
• 08:49 She had everything, but she came to ruin.
• 08:52 And we can hear the prophet speak.
• 08:55 Actually, we can hear the Lord speak if ya look in 16 of verse
• 08:59 35, and it's tragic what we're going to hear, first, in my
• 09:04 translation, [speaking in Hebrew]
• 09:10 "Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord."
• 09:15 Think of that for a minute.
• 09:17 For someone to speak to their wife, their beloved, and look
• 09:21 'em straight in the eye and say, "Hear, O harlot."
• 09:27 It's a hard word, but these are hard times, and this woman has
• 09:31 been hardened with the passage of time as she spurned the Lord
• 09:35 her God and given her affections to others.
• 09:38 And what's going to become of all of that?
• 09:40 Well, this gets bad.
• 09:42 I need to warn you, in verse 37, he says, "All your lovers, I
• 09:45 will gather against thee, and they'll uncover your nakedness,
• 09:50 that they may see your nakedness."
• 09:53 And then he says in verse 39, "I'll give you into their hand.
• 09:55 They'll throw you down.
• 09:58 They'll strip you of your clothes."
• 09:59 I mean, this goes bad.
• 10:01 She'll be robbed. Her jewels will be plundered.
• 10:04 They'll leave her naked and bare.
• 10:06 They'll bring an assembly against her.
• 10:08 They'll stone her. This is horrible.
• 10:11 She made friends with these people,
• 10:13 and then she is betrayed by them.
• 10:18 And so it is that the Lord does just that.
• 10:23 Ezekiel tells a story of God's confronting
• 10:27 his people with their waywardness.
• 10:30 That's the bad news.
• 10:31 The good news is that there is a restoration motif, but before
• 10:35 the good news gets good, the bad news get bad.
• 10:41 And mindful of that, can I speak to you frankly?
• 10:44 If there's someone within the sound of my voice that has
• 10:47 wandered away from God, you're not living right, can I
• 10:51 encourage you, as Ezekiel's encouraging them, to fix that?
• 10:56 I believe that the opportunity of a lifetime should be seized
• 10:58 within the lifetime of the opportunity, and if there's any
• 11:02 kind of conviction, anything welling within you, why don't
• 11:05 you reach up to God and get down on your knees and repent of your
• 11:10 sins and reach up to him for a better world?
• 11:13 And I want you to know that there's a better
• 11:14 world that'll dawn over that horizon.
• 11:17 But, of course, the decision is up to you.
• 11:20 Here, the prophet is draconian. He's harsh.
• 11:24 He's in your face, and he doesn't do that
• 11:27 because he's in a particularly bad mood.
• 11:29 He does it because, when people are hard-hearted, when they're
• 11:32 stubborn, when they're hardened by sin, it's hard to penetrate,
• 11:38 and so here, under the inspiration of the Ruach
• 11:41 HaKodesh, the Holy Spirit, Ezekiel is working up a story,
• 11:46 hoping to get past the desensitized manner of his
• 11:50 constituents, but it was to no avail.
• 11:52 At the end of the day, they didn't listen, and so it is, the
• 11:55 engines of destructions rolled on, not to be averted.
• 11:59 There wasn't repentance, and so it is, Israel came to ruin.
• 12:04 That's the bad news, but there's a good news
• 12:07 on the other end of the sentence.
• 12:09 ♪♪♪
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• 14:45 And we also bring to life Bible stories, and this is, kind of,
• 14:50 so interesting, the life of Ezekiel is very
• 14:52 different than what God called him to do.
• 14:55 Watch as God not tells Ezekiel to speak something but, rather,
• 14:59 give a very interesting object lesson.
• 15:02 Here's Ezekiel.
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• 15:08 narrator: The Lord had dire warnings
• 15:10 for his contemptuous people.
• 15:13 "Lie thou upon thy left side for 390 days," he says to Ezekiel.
• 15:19 Facing north in this position was symbolic of God's judgment
• 15:23 on the northern kingdom of Israel.
• 15:26 Ezekiel is then told to lie on his right side, facing Judah:
• 15:31 "Thou shall bear the iniquities of Judah 40 days.
• 15:34 I have appointed thee each day for a year."
• 15:41 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: In Ezekiel chapter 16, verse 59, the Lord
• 15:46 says, quote, "I will even deal with thee as thou has done, who
• 15:51 hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant."
• 15:54 God says, "Hey, listen, you screwed up.
• 15:56 Well, I'm going to deal with you.
• 15:59 Inasmuch as you've messed up,
• 16:01 I'm going to mess you up a little bit."
• 16:03 There's a Jewish expression, "Measure for measure.
• 16:06 You sowed it, you reap it."
• 16:09 God represents himself this way but not just this way.
• 16:13 Inasmuch as we know that he was given toward disciplining Judah,
• 16:17 a major piece in the puzzle, in the puzzling way that God deals
• 16:22 with humanity generally and with Judah, particularly interesting
• 16:27 is the fact that, though they have messed up, God's mercy is
• 16:31 going to get the better of his judgment.
• 16:33 He says in verse 60--and this is such good news.
• 16:36 I've been waiting this whole program, program number three,
• 16:39 to get to this, "Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with
• 16:44 you in the days of your youth, and I will establish
• 16:47 unto thee an everlasting covenant."
• 16:50 You know, God disciplines, but he doesn't throw out.
• 16:52 The discipline is something that's due children, and it's
• 16:56 meant for a moral and spiritual development.
• 16:59 It's not reflective of wanting to abandon us outright.
• 17:02 Remember that this little girl was abandoned
• 17:04 initially, and God wanted to bring her in.
• 17:07 God finds us as castaways in so many ways, and what he wants to
• 17:11 do is bring us into his family and make us part of his bride.
• 17:16 It's a story that's initiated here in the Old Testament, and
• 17:20 then it bleeds over into the New Testament as well.
• 17:22 It's throughout the literature.
• 17:24 God wants to bring us into his world.
• 17:26 Sins notwithstanding, here, we have an offer on the table.
• 17:30 God says, "Listen, I wanna bring you in.
• 17:32 Nevertheless, though, I'm mindful of your sinfulness.
• 17:36 I won't forever charge that against your account."
• 17:39 He says in verse 62, "I will establish My
• 17:43 covenant with you," and he'll do it afresh.
• 17:47 "And you'll know that I am the Lord."
• 17:50 Actually, the expression, "that you might know that I am the
• 17:52 Lord," is employed some 90 times in the Ezekiel story.
• 17:57 God, he disciplines the nation.
• 18:00 When you look at the Ezekiel text, we learn they are of God's
• 18:02 judgment upon Judah, God's judgment upon the nation states
• 18:06 around Judah, but that's another story.
• 18:09 And even though God's judgment will be brought to bear, his
• 18:12 mercies will come at the end of days.
• 18:14 And here, he says, "Guys, I'm gonna let it all loose."
• 18:17 That is to say, "These armies are gonna
• 18:18 come upon you," and it's been rather harsh.
• 18:21 He's disciplined this faithless bride, but he says, you know, in
• 18:25 the middle of all that or after all that, "I'm gonna remember,
• 18:28 at the end of the day how much I loved you when it all began."
• 18:32 And the kinder side of his nature, his wanting to be kindly
• 18:36 disposed toward her, will get the better of his angst over her
• 18:40 poor performance, and that's a great story, not just for Jews,
• 18:44 but it's a story for all of you.
• 18:46 It's an eternal story that needs to be told
• 18:49 door to door, generation to generation.
• 18:52 It's a story of, though we fail, there's a God with unfailing
• 18:56 love, and that is such good news because, if you're like me,
• 19:00 we're confronted with our daily trespasses.
• 19:03 You know, the Lord said, "Forgive us our daily trespass
• 19:06 inasmuch as we will forgive those who trespass against us."
• 19:10 The whole forgiveness, a motif, is important.
• 19:14 I know people think that that just began in
• 19:15 the New Testament economy, but not so.
• 19:17 There's a glorious story here of God's plan for Israel.
• 19:22 He found her as a castaway.
• 19:23 He's not going to cast her away.
• 19:25 Yes, she will be disciplined.
• 19:27 Yes, she had it coming, but because of who God is, what she
• 19:30 has coming is a grace that triumphs over judgment, and so
• 19:34 he says that "I will forgive you," in verse 63, "that you may
• 19:39 remember and be confounded when I have forgiven you
• 19:44 all that you have done," says the Lord God.
• 19:48 Well, isn't that a great way to close out a teaching
• 19:50 segment to remind there's a God who will
• 19:53 forgive us for all that we have done?
• 19:58 You might be thinking that you have become undone by forces
• 20:04 working upon you, that you've given into temptation, you've
• 20:07 ruined yourself, you're not only vitiated or defiled yourself,
• 20:11 but you've disturbed others in your webs of
• 20:13 relationship, and your house has fallen apart,
• 20:18 not necessarily just internally but relationally as well.
• 20:22 You could've made a shipwreck of your life, and the truth is, you
• 20:26 had it coming, but there's another truth beyond that truth,
• 20:30 and, that is, there's a Savior who's coming, and
• 20:33 in advance of his coming, what he wants to do is
• 20:35 come into your world now, and he can restore.
• 20:39 Inasmuch as I'm around ruins now here in the
• 20:42 Holy Land, these ruins are predicted to rebound at
• 20:46 day's end, and that's not the story for the Jews.
• 20:49 It's a story for you because it's a story
• 20:51 of God who brings forgiveness to bear on people
• 20:54 that need it, people like me and you.
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• 21:51 David: Ezekiel's message that was repeated over and over again
• 21:54 is "That they may know that I am the Lord."
• 21:58 I love that phrase right there.
• 21:59 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, and they know it through judgment,
• 22:02 and they know it through restoration.
• 22:04 It's tough lessons.
• 22:06 David: Sometimes we have to have that negative
• 22:08 to be--to have that hope in our life.
• 22:11 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You know, and the book itself
• 22:12 is full of all these dramatic vignettes that
• 22:16 speak of difficult things to come, correct?
• 22:18 Kirsten: It is kind of interesting.
• 22:21 When I was a kid, I would get in trouble for talking too much.
• 22:24 That's probably an obvious to some of you,
• 22:27 and they just--you could be as silent, and you're
• 22:29 a good man for that, but here's Ezekiel.
• 22:32 God's saying, "I'm gonna make you mute."
• 22:35 Like, "I'm gonna stick your tongue to the top
• 22:36 of your roof--roof of your mouth, and
• 22:38 you're gonna only speak when I tell you to."
• 22:41 I don't know if I could've done that.
• 22:43 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: He did a number of crazy things, you
• 22:45 know, from lying on different sides, to talking and not
• 22:48 talking, to cutting his beard off, and strange
• 22:51 object lessons, and things that he says.
• 22:55 I was shocked, at the top of the program, just to
• 22:57 think of a story of a little girl grew up much loved,
• 23:01 to turn real bad and went into wanton ways.
• 23:05 You know, it's just--it's just a tough.
• 23:08 Kirsten: That's a harsh picture.
• 23:09 As a girl, as a woman, that's a harsh picture to see
• 23:12 that that's how God felt about his people.
• 23:16 That's very vivid imagery in that story.
• 23:20 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, and then, this woman
• 23:21 that's had too many beds and not enough rest, all
• 23:24 of her lovers coming and killing her.
• 23:26 It's just tough.
• 23:30 Speaking of tough and speaking of going astray, when you do
• 23:35 television, you never know who's watching.
• 23:37 It's like that when you're speaking in a church too.
• 23:39 You never really know the lives that people live.
• 23:44 If it sounds a little bit too much like you, going astray,
• 23:49 going into wanton ways, whatever they are, and experiencing the
• 23:53 world turning on you as a result, you might look at it as
• 23:57 God's way to bring you back, not just to throw you out.
• 24:00 If we're at a place you need to come back home, one of the more
• 24:03 famous stories in the newer testament is the
• 24:06 prodigal son, who squandered it all and came
• 24:08 back home and found a loving father.
• 24:11 There's a tough story in this book, Ezekiel, and this program
• 24:14 on Ezekiel, and if it relates to you, come on home.
• 24:18 You'll find some outstretched arms, and you'll find a God who
• 24:21 can restore and rebuild and lead you to greener pastures.
• 24:26 David: We've heard this story since, for us, in Sunday school
• 24:29 but, way back, in second grade for me, but, man, it is really
• 24:33 coming to life, things that we didn't even realize, or maybe we
• 24:37 heard, but when we see it in our dramatic reenactments
• 24:41 and your teaching, it just comes to life.
• 24:44 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: And, you know, I think more of the
• 24:46 dramatic reenactments than the teaching.
• 24:47 Words are words, and I try and do Biblical words justice, but I
• 24:51 think the genius of our program, which you help us to get on
• 24:55 with, is to reconstruct it visually, and that's
• 24:59 just a very unique characteristic.
• 25:02 Teaching from Israel has a unique distinctive.
• 25:05 Teaching from a Jewish perspective
• 25:07 has a unique distinctive.
• 25:08 There's others that do that, some better, some worse.
• 25:11 Your audience can be the judge. Who's competing?
• 25:14 But I think a niche that we have just comes from
• 25:18 the visual side of the house, and we wouldn't do it
• 25:21 if you didn't help us, so thank you.
• 25:23 David: I was gonna say, the flannel board that my second
• 25:27 grade Sunday school teacher used--not the same.
• 25:30 Kirsten: Do you know what I mean with the--you know the
• 25:32 flannel board, and you stick the characters on there?
• 25:34 Yeah, it's a little--it's a little different.
• 25:36 It's a little bit more raw, and I appreciate the fact that
• 25:39 you're taking a book that could be hard to read.
• 25:42 I mean, you read some of these stories.
• 25:45 It doesn't make sense, and a natural reaction to things that
• 25:48 are hard literally to read and that are, you
• 25:51 know, "Where does this fit into my life?"
• 25:52 You wanna close it up because it's not a fun read.
• 25:56 The New Testament's easy and fun, and you
• 25:58 read this, and it's just like, "What?
• 26:00 This, "Prostitute, a harlot, different beds," but you've
• 26:03 taken that and applied it to our lives, and
• 26:06 we're very appreciative for your insight.
• 26:09 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You're kind.
• 26:10 I would rather do a lousy job of teaching the Bible
• 26:11 and a good job of teaching my own insights.
• 26:14 A lot of people, "Here's my book.
• 26:15 You must read it." Eh, I don't know.
• 26:17 Maybe it's self-serving. I like opening up the Bible.
• 26:20 "Now, there's a book. We must read it."
• 26:21 And the extent to which I and you afford me the opportunity to
• 26:25 get into the book and offer a visual telling of it, to walk
• 26:28 people through it, any book of the Bible is good real estate.
• 26:31 It's good to go to, and it is good to go through.
• 26:33 Kirsten: And that's a good way to end our program today.
• 26:35 Those are good words.
• 26:36 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: It's a good way to live a life.
• 26:37 I wish more ministers were teaching the Bible
• 26:39 instead of their own story and throwing a verse or two in.
• 26:42 Kirsten: I agree.
• 26:43 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Well, speaking of a verse or two,
• 26:45 we have some more, we'll do it next week.
• 26:46 As we go now, [speaking in Hebrew]
• 26:50 David: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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