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Caption transcript for The Warrior King (2022): “Disobedient and Destracted” (3/8)

• 00:03 David Hart: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots,"
• 00:06 with insightful Bible teaching by Dr. Jeffrey Seif.
• 00:09 David faces trouble with people and circumstances around him.
• 00:13 Find out more today on "Warrior King."
• 00:15 ♪♪♪
• 00:25 ♪♪♪
• 00:35 ♪♪♪
• 00:45 ♪♪♪
• 01:03 David: Thank you for joining us today.
• 01:05 I am David Hart.
• 01:06 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
• 01:07 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: And I am Jeffrey Seif.
• 01:09 I love doing David,
• 01:11 but sometimes he confuses me a little bit.
• 01:14 Take his family, for example.
• 01:16 It gets interesting, doesn't it?
• 01:18 Kirsten: It's a little messy.
• 01:20 It's just a little messy.
• 01:21 Not your family, David, but--
• 01:23 David: Well, it makes our relationship and our family unit
• 01:26 seem almost perfect, compared to what he's been through.
• 01:29 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yeah, it's a different world back then
• 01:31 with polygamy.
• 01:33 It was never the preferred scenario.
• 01:35 In the Bible, it's one man and one woman,
• 01:38 but we do see those multiple partnerships in antiquity.
• 01:42 I don't think any good comes out of it, to tell you the truth.
• 01:44 Kirsten: Well, you're gonna talk about and show about
• 01:47 Abigail and Bathsheba, two of his many wives,
• 01:50 and he had many, many children too.
• 01:53 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Yes, too many in my opinion.
• 01:55 Kirsten: Never too many, no, just kidding.
• 01:58 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: No, too many, too many.
• 01:59 It's not good.
• 02:01 Talk about problems with blended families, oh goodness.
• 02:03 This is problems on steroids.
• 02:05 And it really gets out of hand.
• 02:08 David: We take you now to our dramatic reenactment in Israel,
• 02:10 followed by teaching from Dr. Seif.
• 02:13 Let's go there now.
• 02:18 Abigail: My husband had been a fool not extending
• 02:20 his friendship to David.
• 02:22 And now it had come to this:
• 02:25 a mission to save my husband's life.
• 02:27 ♪♪♪
• 02:38 Abigail: My master, let me take the blame.
• 02:46 Please do not think about Nabal.
• 02:48 The Lord God will always protect you and he will appoint you
• 02:51 as ruler over Israel.
• 02:53 When that happens, you will not feel grief over anything
• 02:55 for you have not shed the blood of innocent people.
• 02:58 When the Lord gives you success, please remember me.
• 03:04 Abigail: I was humbled by David's response.
• 03:06 "The Lord bless you," he said, "for your wise advice
• 03:09 and what you did.
• 03:10 You stopped me from shedding blood today.
• 03:13 Go in peace.
• 03:14 I will do as you've requested."
• 03:16 ♪♪♪
• 03:23 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Great though David indeed was,
• 03:25 he was still a man who was subject to human frailty.
• 03:29 And so it was he was indeed imperfect.
• 03:32 His acting in a less than perfect manner is underscored
• 03:37 in the book Shemu'el, Samuel.
• 03:40 It's a book that's named after him.
• 03:41 He didn't read it all.
• 03:43 The reason why is because in the 25th chapter,
• 03:45 where we are today, he dies and this man's death precipitates
• 03:50 a crisis for David because it was Shemu'el
• 03:53 who launched his career.
• 03:54 We're told in 25:1: [speaking in Hebrew]
• 03:59 And Samuel died.
• 04:02 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 04:06 And all Israel gathered themselves to him
• 04:09 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 04:12 and they lamented him."
• 04:14 We're told as well that shortly thereafter,
• 04:16 [speaking in Hebrew].
• 04:21 After that, David leaves and he goes to the wilderness
• 04:24 of Paran and when he goes there, David is still reeling somewhat
• 04:29 from news of the death of his mentor and, as if that wasn't
• 04:33 bad enough for the man, as with this wagon, he was very low
• 04:38 on provisions; in many respects, empty in fact.
• 04:42 So David did, and the story's unpacked in the 25th chapter.
• 04:46 David followed the conventions of the day and he went back
• 04:51 to someone that should have been a patron to him.
• 04:55 David and his men weren't out acting as brigands,
• 04:59 stealing off the land, but rather, they were policing.
• 05:03 As his men were out and about, granted, on the run from Saul,
• 05:07 they still were protecting various estates
• 05:11 in the wilderness and in the countryside,
• 05:13 and decorum had it that those that protected
• 05:17 should be able to go back and get some basic provisions.
• 05:20 Similarly, I have a career as a police officer
• 05:24 and I worked as a cop, usually late at night.
• 05:27 Wasn't at all uncommon, I'd pull into a gas station
• 05:30 and they'd give me some coffee.
• 05:33 They're glad that I pulled in there, you know, these Stop-N-Go
• 05:37 gas stations get robbed all the time,
• 05:39 and police presence is good.
• 05:41 So they're happy to feed me a little bit and give me
• 05:43 some beverage just for me coming in there.
• 05:46 Similarly, David's men were acting in effect as police
• 05:49 officers and what happened is, is that when David was running
• 05:53 low on provisions, he went to one fella named Nabal.
• 05:56 Nabal which means fool, and if anyone ever lived up
• 05:59 to his name, he did.
• 06:01 And he asked him if he could help him out a little bit.
• 06:03 It's the equivalent of a tip.
• 06:05 Is he required to tip?
• 06:07 No.
• 06:09 Are you required to tip the waitress or the waiter?
• 06:12 No, but you do.
• 06:14 But what happens is Nabal didn't and I would imagine
• 06:17 it was because David was feeling a little rudderless,
• 06:21 you know, he'd just lost his mentor and he's like a kite up
• 06:24 there in the sky and he doesn't have the stability.
• 06:27 When word gets to him that his men and he were disrespected
• 06:32 by Nabal, David was fit to be tied, literally.
• 06:36 Went on a rage and he said, "Every man gird up your sword
• 06:39 on your thigh," and David went to kill him.
• 06:44 Think of that for a minute.
• 06:45 This fellow, in a flash of rage, of disconsternation,
• 06:50 is ready to go shed innocent blood.
• 06:52 Now, it may well be that a guy like Nabal isn't fit to live.
• 06:56 And you might have some people in your webs of relationships
• 06:59 that are like Nabal.
• 07:01 You feel so mistreated by them, so misunderstood,
• 07:05 so disrespected, you just know that your world would be
• 07:09 a better place if they weren't in it.
• 07:10 Well, you know what?
• 07:12 That may be true at some level, but it's not your job
• 07:15 to be judge and jury.
• 07:18 There's a greater judge.
• 07:20 In any case, as an extension of his own rage and angst,
• 07:23 David went after him to kill him.
• 07:25 Abigail hears of this, Nabal's wife,
• 07:28 and she goes and brings provision
• 07:30 and treats David very, very, very respectfully,
• 07:33 with the net result then that David's anger is waylaid.
• 07:38 This is extremely important.
• 07:40 David then, when he realizes that Abigail saved him
• 07:44 from shedding innocent blood, he says, and I quote,
• 07:47 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 07:49 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel
• 07:51 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 07:56 Who has sent you this day to meet me."
• 07:59 David was smart enough to allow himself to be instructed.
• 08:05 And I want you to hear me on this.
• 08:06 As great a man as David was, he wasn't too great to get
• 08:09 some advice from a woman.
• 08:12 Would that we similarly were open to advice from
• 08:15 all kinds of places and allowed ourselves to be led by others.
• 08:22 male: It was a warm spring evening
• 08:24 and the king couldn't sleep.
• 08:26 With hindsight, the roof of my master's palace
• 08:28 was far too accessible.
• 08:31 She was beautiful to look upon.
• 08:33 The king was taken by her, and he sent me to find who she was.
• 08:39 Her name was Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah, the Hittite.
• 08:44 What happened in the shadows of that evening was just
• 08:47 the beginning.
• 08:49 There would later be deceit, bloodshed, and forever
• 08:52 a dark stain stamped upon the life of King David.
• 09:00 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: David, David, David, how could you?
• 09:04 You're a good enough sort, I grant, but in your 50s, sir,
• 09:10 you surely lost your way.
• 09:13 This was evidenced one evening, was it not?
• 09:16 You should have been out with your armies.
• 09:19 God anointed you to lead, to invest your energies
• 09:22 in solving Israel's troubles.
• 09:24 But no, apparently retired prematurely
• 09:27 and then experienced some troubles of your own.
• 09:32 It's sad to say, in the previous segment we looked
• 09:35 at how David was bested by anger after his mentor died.
• 09:40 He is good to go to kill someone just for an insult.
• 09:43 And here, he's going to kill someone
• 09:45 just to mask his own indiscretions.
• 09:50 David, David, David, how could you do it?
• 09:54 Well, the fact that David could do it, tells me that so could I
• 09:58 and if we're gut-level honest, so could you.
• 10:02 David didn't do anything that I never thought of.
• 10:05 Now, I'm not trying to do confession here
• 10:07 on national television.
• 10:08 The point is I'm a man, I'm a-shackled with a human nature.
• 10:11 We have to keep this business under control.
• 10:14 Our story takes place in 2 Samuel chapter 11,
• 10:18 one evening when David let the cat out of the bag.
• 10:22 In verse 2: [speaking in Hebrew]
• 10:26 And it came to pass [speaking in Hebrew]
• 10:29 in the evening [speaking in Hebrew]
• 10:35 and David arose from his bed [speaking in Hebrew]
• 10:42 and he walked on the roof of the king's house
• 10:47 [speaking in Hebrew] and he saw a woman bathing."
• 10:58 Was David being a little voyeuristic up there?
• 11:01 No doubt.
• 11:03 Could Bathsheba been a little more careful down there?
• 11:06 No doubt.
• 11:08 Somewhere between the two, there was an accident,
• 11:12 there was a spark that was ignited,
• 11:15 and it set a-fire a household that tore up many a room
• 11:19 and many people in 'em.
• 11:22 We're told, "[speaking in Hebrew]
• 11:27 and the woman he saw was very beautiful to look upon."
• 11:34 David, David, David.
• 11:37 He saw, he took.
• 11:42 When he found out later that his one-night stand was in danger
• 11:46 of being exposed because Bathsheba was pregnant,
• 11:50 he then hatches a scheme to try and mask his indiscretion.
• 11:56 Uriah is such a good sort of fellow, a loyal soldier,
• 12:01 he wouldn't sleep with Bathsheba because his men were
• 12:04 in the field at the front.
• 12:06 And so David sent him back to his front carrying orders
• 12:09 for his own execution.
• 12:11 He told his general, "Take that guy, Uriah, and put him
• 12:14 at the top--put him in the front of the battle and withdraw
• 12:17 the troops and let him fall."
• 12:19 And so it was he did and the rest is history.
• 12:23 He's going to then marry Bathsheba.
• 12:25 Oh, David, David, David.
• 12:28 For the love of God, man, how can you do it?
• 12:31 This is a dark side in an otherwise illustrious career
• 12:36 and we'll look in the third segment, we'll come back to this
• 12:39 in a moment, and see how David reaped a harvest
• 12:42 because of the-- because of his discretion,
• 12:46 because of his inability to reign it in.
• 12:49 Now let me encourage you with something.
• 12:51 It could very well be a program like this that goes
• 12:53 into millions of homes.
• 12:56 I know that there are some of you that when I talk about
• 12:59 sexual indiscretions within the home,
• 13:02 somewhere that hits pay dirt.
• 13:04 Now, listen to me.
• 13:05 I don't wanna make you feel guilty.
• 13:07 What I want you to do is experience the forgiveness
• 13:09 that David experienced.
• 13:11 Even a good man like that got himself
• 13:13 in a good bit of trouble.
• 13:15 Here's what you need to do.
• 13:17 Says in the Scriptures that "if we confess our sins,
• 13:19 He is faithful and just and will forgive us
• 13:23 of all unrighteousness."
• 13:26 Let me encourage you to do that.
• 13:28 Let me encourage you as well to not only be honest with God,
• 13:31 but be honest with another.
• 13:32 Visit your pastor.
• 13:34 Get on your knees.
• 13:35 Reach up to God.
• 13:36 There's a great and glorious future for you.
• 13:39 David learned that God's grace even covered this.
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• 15:12 Kirsten: One of the trademarks of our program are
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• 15:59 David: Speaking of our dramatic reenactment,
• 16:01 we take you back to our story right now,
• 16:03 followed by Dr. Seif's teaching.
• 16:08 male: My announcement to King David came
• 16:10 with no great surprise.
• 16:12 We had known for some time that Absalom was winning the hearts
• 16:15 of men through all of Israel.
• 16:18 Now, he was intent on usurping the throne of his father.
• 16:22 The king acted quickly, for he knew that there would soon be
• 16:27 bloodshed if we remained in Jerusalem.
• 16:31 King was escaping from a son who was vexed with power,
• 16:35 from a son whom he feared and yet loved dearly.
• 16:39 ♪♪♪
• 16:47 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Jews construe that it's imperative
• 16:49 for a father to teach his son a trade and to learn
• 16:53 the religion as well, that is the burden is on the father
• 16:56 to inculcate certain things in the next generation.
• 17:00 And in this regard, sad to say, David failed miserably.
• 17:05 And why is that?
• 17:06 Because David had too many sons.
• 17:09 Twenty sons are noted in 1 and 2 Samuel,
• 17:12 and one daughter.
• 17:14 And beyond that, we're told that he had other wives
• 17:16 and other children that aren't even noted by name.
• 17:20 The man had too many women.
• 17:22 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 17:23 Moses warned I believe in [speaking in Hebrew]
• 17:27 in Deuteronomy that kings will tend to multiply women
• 17:29 to themselves.
• 17:31 What happens is, is David had a family that was too big
• 17:34 to manage and he wasn't given to managing his own family.
• 17:39 And the net result is that he who could forge a kingdom
• 17:42 failed at home.
• 17:45 And isn't that, by the way, a tragic story that is seen
• 17:47 played out way too many times today?
• 17:52 The men go off and they conquer in various ways,
• 17:55 but the children are neglected.
• 17:57 I mention this here because tragic is the fact
• 18:01 that David's sons turned on him.
• 18:06 For me, you know, I'm a dad and I've raised sons.
• 18:10 The Lord has seen fit to grace me with boys.
• 18:14 Oh, for the love of God, it scares me to think
• 18:16 how I'd feel if my boys turned on me.
• 18:20 For me, I like to be respected personally and if I feel
• 18:24 I'm disrespected at work or wherever, it just--
• 18:28 it bothers me.
• 18:29 It's my Achilles heel.
• 18:31 And if I feel like I'm being disrespected at home,
• 18:35 that is particularly egregious.
• 18:37 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 18:39 the apostle Paul, alighted upon that when he said,
• 18:41 "Wives, respect your husbands."
• 18:44 And then he said, "Husbands, love your wives."
• 18:47 The respect factor is significant.
• 18:49 Well, the story in this little segment is played out against
• 18:53 the backdrop of David not only being disrespected by his sons,
• 18:58 but being forced to flee as one of those sons,
• 19:01 and it's not just one.
• 19:03 In various ways, on various days, different ones weighed in,
• 19:06 and looked to undermine David.
• 19:08 Absalom was particularly egregious.
• 19:13 It wasn't just that he was bent on revolt, but he mobilized
• 19:17 others to knock the legs out of his father, David,
• 19:20 and then to usurp his own father's authority and take
• 19:24 the kingdom and we read
• 19:26 in 1 and 2 Samuel about David's rise and demise.
• 19:30 We discover that he's forced to flee.
• 19:32 There's a tragic text here.
• 19:34 I can't read all of it.
• 19:35 At 2 Samuel chapter 15, we're told:
• 19:38 "[speaking in Hebrew]
• 19:42 A messenger came to David, saying,
• 19:46 [speaking in Hebrew]
• 19:50 that the hearts of the men of Israel are inclined
• 19:55 toward Absalom."
• 19:58 Absalom, were he to have had his way,
• 20:00 would have been David's undoing.
• 20:03 Truth of the matter, and David knew the truth of the matter,
• 20:06 and that is that Absalom really wasn't his problem.
• 20:09 The problem was, is that Davis sinned.
• 20:12 The problem was, is that David was reaping what he sowed.
• 20:17 He wasn't faithful within the confines of his own marriage
• 20:20 contracts, he let it all get out--get away from him,
• 20:23 and what happens is he's reaping the harvest.
• 20:26 Now, listen, there's much in the biblical literature to commend
• 20:29 that's positive but here's a story that's negative.
• 20:32 You ever heard the expression that a wise man learns
• 20:34 from his mistakes?
• 20:35 Well, that's true, but listen to me.
• 20:37 A wiser man learns from somebody else's.
• 20:39 Better it is that we learn from David and not repeat it.
• 20:43 And why do I say that?
• 20:45 David couldn't take care of his sexual business.
• 20:47 Too many women, too many kids, it all got away from him.
• 20:50 He experienced God's grace, to be sure, and was forgiven,
• 20:54 but still the consequences of all that played out.
• 20:56 Now listen to me, everyone within the sound of my voice.
• 21:00 We all possess a human nature.
• 21:02 Better it is, it seems to me, that we get on top
• 21:05 of our business so we don't have to go this way,
• 21:07 so we can have strength in the family.
• 21:10 All said, I want you to know there is a grace
• 21:11 that's available.
• 21:13 God is so very good.
• 21:14 David finished his days well, his difficulties
• 21:16 notwithstanding, and you could finish well too.
• 21:19 But learn a lesson from David, the Warrior King.
• 21:24 David: We sing the old hymn,
• 21:25 ♪ Grace, grace, God's grace ♪
• 21:26 ♪ grace that will pardon and cleanse within ♪
• 21:29 ♪ Grace, grace, God's grace, grace that is greater ♪
• 21:33 ♪ than all our sin." ♪
• 21:35 That song's for us, but I think it relates to David's time
• 21:39 also a little bit.
• 21:41 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: I'm telling you, that is the truth.
• 21:43 We certainly see grace in the older Testament because,
• 21:46 you know, David was no altar boy, at the end of the day.
• 21:50 Kirsten: And I have to give some redeeming factor or grace,
• 21:55 interesting, should I say, to David and Bathsheba.
• 21:58 They gave birth to Solomon.
• 21:59 I mean, the King Solomon who built the temple.
• 22:02 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Well, you're gracious to be
• 22:04 so gracious, to tell you the truth.
• 22:06 I personally, am unimpressed by David,
• 22:10 just the way he came about that relationship with that woman.
• 22:13 And you know, it is true, it does show the grace of God,
• 22:15 there was forgiveness.
• 22:17 And he's going to marry her and they're going to have a child.
• 22:21 And, of course, this is gonna make problems in the rest
• 22:23 of David's family too because David's other sons
• 22:26 weren't a happy camper.
• 22:28 And if you look at 2 Samuel, it's a train wreck
• 22:30 in that dysfunctional family.
• 22:32 David: But he was a man after God's own heart.
• 22:34 How do you--how does that happen?
• 22:36 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You know, and that's the issue.
• 22:37 You know, people are complex at the end of the day and,
• 22:41 you know, you can't judge, you know, an Old Testament character
• 22:45 by a New Testament standard.
• 22:49 Someone like David couldn't pastor a congregation today
• 22:52 with his life, to be sure.
• 22:55 But he's a hero in yesterday's world.
• 22:58 In terms of someone molesting a woman and killing her husband,
• 23:03 that's just completely--I mean, that's off the charts and
• 23:06 you wonder how David, who was so good could be so bad.
• 23:09 He had a good heart.
• 23:11 He owned the moment, repented of it.
• 23:14 Kudos to him for that, but, you know, the Bible lets us know
• 23:17 that we're all sinners, even the best of them.
• 23:20 David in the Old Testament, Peter in the New Testament
• 23:22 wasn't always so hot.
• 23:25 ♪ Grace, grace, God's grace ♪
• 23:27 David: We'll be right back.
• 23:31 male: "For the Lord thy God bringeth thee into a good land,
• 23:36 a land of fig trees and pomegranates,
• 23:40 a land of olive oil and honey.
• 23:43 Arise, walk through the land.
• 23:47 For all the land which thou seest,
• 23:50 to thee will I give it and to thy seed forever."
• 23:57 Worship in the shadows of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
• 24:02 Behold the land of the covenant.
• 24:10 David: We go to Israel both in the spring and the fall.
• 24:13 How about you come with us and we baptize you
• 24:15 in the Jordan River in the Galilee area?
• 24:18 It's just beautiful there.
• 24:19 Kirsten: Oh, there's nothing like it.
• 24:21 It's so beautiful and, speaking of the Galilee area, let's go
• 24:26 to that region to hear from our friend now, Chaim Malespin.
• 24:29 ♪♪♪
• 24:38 Chaim Malespin: We're standing here at sea level overlooking
• 24:40 the Sea of Galilee.
• 24:42 Now, of course, that's freshwater,
• 24:43 our number one freshwater source in Israel.
• 24:46 Well, now that we're very good at desalinization,
• 24:48 we've been able to get water right from the salty sea.
• 24:52 However, this used to be the only water that we could drink
• 24:55 around the whole of Israel.
• 24:56 Now, the way this happened is there was a huge earthquake
• 25:00 where the Syrian and African tectonic plates ground
• 25:04 against each other, forming the Jordan Rift Valley.
• 25:07 It's long separated from this.
• 25:09 We have here the Jordan Valley.
• 25:11 Some people feel that this is what Ezekiel prophesied about
• 25:13 when he said, "I saw a valley."
• 25:16 He saw the valley, that is, the valley, and they believe
• 25:18 it's talking about this, that the dry bones came together,
• 25:21 flesh came on them, and it says this is talking
• 25:23 about the whole house of Israel being resurrected.
• 25:26 Now why would people say that could be this valley?
• 25:29 Well, because this is where it all began.
• 25:31 In modern Israel it all began here because this is
• 25:34 where the first ever farms were.
• 25:36 They're called kibbutzes.
• 25:37 The first ever buildings, the first ever army of Israel,
• 25:40 the first ever factories of Israel,
• 25:42 the first of anything started here, not in Jerusalem.
• 25:45 It was all in the Galilee.
• 25:47 And then if we go back to Yeshua's time,
• 25:49 this is where it all began as far as our faith.
• 25:51 The first disciples were chosen here, they--
• 25:54 all of them were Galileans.
• 25:55 Yeshua was a Galilean, and I'm a Galilean and it's a pleasure
• 25:59 to show you the Aliyah Return Center Restoration Station
• 26:03 in the Galilee of the Nations.
• 26:05 ♪♪♪
• 26:11 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: At a number of levels,
• 26:12 this is a pretty tough program,
• 26:14 looking at the dysfunction in David's family.
• 26:17 There may be some listening that are on the hurting end
• 26:19 of dysfunction and you can feel it in various ways,
• 26:23 but there is a balm in Gilead.
• 26:25 There's healing, isn't there?
• 26:27 Kirsten: There is and I just have to say I don't know
• 26:29 if you all know my story.
• 26:31 I am adopted. I was adopted.
• 26:34 I literally came from a one-night stand of two people
• 26:37 that were not married and good things can come
• 26:41 from those kind of unions.
• 26:43 Here's David and Bathsheba, good can come from that.
• 26:46 The wisest man on earth came from the two of those people.
• 26:50 So you just never know who God's gonna choose
• 26:52 and what kind of situation he's gonna use.
• 26:55 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: You know, I'm stunned.
• 26:57 And I'm normally not speechless, but I didn't know
• 27:00 that about you and I've never heard anybody say it.
• 27:04 I don't wanna say so matter of factly, but you're at peace.
• 27:07 You've come to terms.
• 27:09 You're not carrying around baggage
• 27:10 from a negative beginning.
• 27:12 Kirsten: I was an unwanted pregnancy and finding that out
• 27:16 in the middle of my life, I found out at 41,
• 27:20 that in spite of that, in spite of being unwanted,
• 27:24 God knew that he had plans for my life.
• 27:26 So God, whatever situation and whatever--
• 27:30 how your relationship starts, God can use it.
• 27:33 He does that.
• 27:35 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: This isn't scripted.
• 27:36 It's just from the heart.
• 27:37 Speaking out from the heart, Mr. Hart.
• 27:40 David: And may I say, I'm very thankful
• 27:41 that you are still with us.
• 27:43 Her birth mother went to Sweden to abort her and God said,
• 27:47 "No, I'm gonna keep this one.
• 27:48 I have plans for her."
• 27:50 We have so much more next week.
• 27:51 Thank you for joining us today.
• 27:53 We leave you with this.
• 27:54 Dr. Jeffrey Seif: Wow, what a testimony.
• 27:56 But we leave you with this: Shaalu shalom Yerushalayim.
• 28:00 Kirsten: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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