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Caption transcript for Faith of our Fathers: “Faith in the Unseen” (3/8)

• 00:03 David Hart: Welcome to "Our Jewish Roots."
• 00:09 The Word of God has given us examples of faith that have
• 00:12 shaped virtually every aspect of the believer's life today.
• 00:17 Where would we be without the examples of Noah, Abraham, and
• 00:22 Isaac, David, and ultimately that of Yeshua, Jesus?
• 00:28 Faith is woven into the fabric of America as well,
• 00:32 from the Pilgrims to John Adams to Patrick Henry
• 00:36 and George Washington.
• 00:38 God's providential hand remained highly esteemed
• 00:42 and honored above all.
• 00:44 Faith unshakeable, faith unstoppable,
• 00:47 "Faith of Our Fathers."
• 00:53 David: We are so glad you've joined us today.
• 00:55 I am David Hart.
• 00:56 Kirsten Hart: I'm Kirsten Hart.
• 00:57 Jeffrey Seif: I am Jeffrey Seif.
• 01:00 Hey, let's talk about faith, that assurance of things hoped
• 01:04 for, that looking over the horizon.
• 01:06 Isn't that important?
• 01:07 Kirsten: It is, and it's hard sometimes though 'cause we don't
• 01:12 know what lies ahead but that's what God is calling us
• 01:14 to have faith in, that he is guiding us to the unseen.
• 01:18 David: And peace about it.
• 01:19 Jeffrey: Yes, you know, that walk, step by step.
• 01:22 You know, Abraham did it.
• 01:24 Different people do it different days, different ways.
• 01:27 David: If you have your Bible, open it to Genesis 11.
• 01:29 It is about Abraham and his faith.
• 01:32 Dr. Seif teaches about it right now.
• 01:33 Let's go there.
• 01:35 ♪♪♪
• 01:45 Jeffrey: Well, there you go, and here it is.
• 01:51 Can you see that?
• 01:53 Probably not.
• 01:55 God does. At least, he says he does.
• 01:58 This is a mustard seed, and you might recall in the Matthean
• 02:02 Gospel, Matthew 13 and verses 31 and 2, Jesus is on record
• 02:07 likening the kingdom of God to a little mustard seed.
• 02:12 Starts off as something not very much but then it grows into
• 02:15 something rather substantial.
• 02:19 And so it is with faith.
• 02:22 People talk about a seed of faith: just a little bit can
• 02:27 make a big difference.
• 02:31 And we see that going back to the beginning of the Bible and
• 02:34 we see it at the end, faith at work in the Word, and then
• 02:38 we're gonna see faith at work in the world as well
• 02:41 for people to take the Word and they live it out.
• 02:45 I wanna begin in the book of beginnings, the book Bereshit in
• 02:48 Hebrew, which is Genesis, and in chapter 11 there's a story here
• 02:52 of a man who takes those baby mustard seed steps.
• 02:58 We're told in chapter 11, verse 31, there was a man, Abram,
• 03:04 Avram, who goes on a journey.
• 03:06 He leaves with his--some of his family members.
• 03:09 He leaves Ur of Chaldee, which would be modern Kuwait, and he
• 03:14 goes on a journey along the Fertile Crescent.
• 03:17 He's driven by an impulse that today we call faith.
• 03:21 He didn't know where he was going, and the reason why I say
• 03:23 he didn't know where he was going is because when you get to
• 03:25 Hebrews chapter 11, therein in verse 8, the author says
• 03:28 he didn't know where he was going but he knew
• 03:31 who he was following.
• 03:34 There is this pressing against uncertainty.
• 03:38 People that walk by faith don't necessarily have a clear vision
• 03:41 where they're going, but they have some sense of who they're
• 03:45 following, which is why, by the way, I liken this
• 03:49 to sheep following a shepherd.
• 03:51 Sheep aren't known for great vision.
• 03:53 They can just get a blurry view of the shepherd, and the
• 03:56 shepherd knows where he's going.
• 03:58 And so it is with us sometimes.
• 03:59 When we think of our own lives, we don't know where we're going
• 04:02 but we follow that Shepherd into the future.
• 04:05 Well, here, we're told that Terah took Abram his son, and
• 04:09 Lot, and they went on a journey from Ur of Chaldee into Syria,
• 04:15 and there, they hunkered down for a season until
• 04:17 such time they were prompted to go further.
• 04:20 Some of them went further into Eretz Kna'an,
• 04:23 the land of Canaan.
• 04:24 But it's from there where Abram hears, "Listen,
• 04:29 that's not the homeland.
• 04:31 You're almost there, but you gotta go that extra step,"
• 04:37 and he does, and the verses are very famous,
• 04:40 I trust it'll be familiar to you.
• 04:42 In the 12th chapter, verse 1:
• 04:44 [speaking in Hebrew] Go, go.
• 04:46 "Then the Lord said to Abram, 'Get going from your land, and
• 04:52 from your relatives, and from your father's house,
• 04:54 to the land that I will show you.
• 04:57 My heart's desire is to make you a great nation, to bless you, to
• 05:02 make your name great so you will be a blessing."
• 05:06 And people have been going ever since.
• 05:11 And I mention that because we find this at
• 05:14 the beginning of the Bible, and we find this
• 05:17 at the beginning of America as well.
• 05:21 People did embark on a journey that's wrought with perils,
• 05:25 but possibilities as well.
• 05:28 You have to take the risk.
• 05:30 You have to be willing to throw the dice
• 05:31 and do it, and they did.
• 05:33 But it wasn't just luck, it wasn't just happenstance.
• 05:37 It was providence.
• 05:39 And we see that in the writing of the fathers of
• 05:42 our culture, that they were looking to the Lord
• 05:44 to guide them into the future.
• 05:47 We see it not just with Abram, we see it elsewhere
• 05:50 in the Bible as well.
• 05:52 You can recall the story of Jacob, how he leaves.
• 05:56 Jacob lived under the tutelage of his mother,
• 05:59 principally, but then it was time to go.
• 06:02 Things deteriorated with his brother Esau and he goes to
• 06:05 Syria and you might recall that he has a wrestling match that,
• 06:11 you know, he's alone at night and the musings of
• 06:13 his head and he gets a vision that God promises
• 06:16 that he's gonna be with him.
• 06:18 Similarly, when he returned from Syria with his family now, he
• 06:25 will have these stirrings and these wrestlings and so forth.
• 06:29 It just is what it is.
• 06:30 Walking by faith isn't easy.
• 06:33 It takes faith to walk by faith.
• 06:35 I mean, that goes without saying, but it's much easier
• 06:38 to say it than it is to do it.
• 06:41 If you can think for a moment of those who first came here to
• 06:46 this New World, I think of Colón, as he was known.
• 06:50 We know him as Columbus, particularly, and they were
• 06:53 ready to mutiny, you know, that they had gone out, the winds
• 06:56 died, they hadn't found land, and it looked like all was lost,
• 07:01 but there's that voice pressing, going, "No, no,
• 07:04 I know it's out there."
• 07:06 And thank God he didn't turn back.
• 07:08 I think of those that made the passage from the
• 07:12 Old World to the New World.
• 07:14 You know that in Europe believers that weren't
• 07:18 denominational Christians particularly had problems
• 07:21 with the state because they didn't come under
• 07:23 state control of religion.
• 07:25 They wanted differentiation from that.
• 07:27 The Puritans thought that the English church was too much
• 07:31 full of the British crown and not full enough of
• 07:35 biblical faith and virtue.
• 07:37 They wanted to distinguish themselves from that and it
• 07:40 caused tensions with the powers that be in that culture.
• 07:43 And they were doggedly determined, however, and people
• 07:46 came over to a new world.
• 07:48 They wanted to escape the difficulties that were imposed
• 07:51 upon them, but in coming here, then, they confronted the
• 07:54 difficulties associated with carving out a new world
• 07:58 and they met it with faith, and that's the principal
• 08:03 point that I wanna talk to you about here.
• 08:05 You know, when I think of the faith of our fathers, you've
• 08:09 heard me to say previous to this particular program in this
• 08:12 particular series, that for me, faith is less about creeds and
• 08:15 deeds as much as it is an impulse, something interior
• 08:19 to the person that wants to believe God.
• 08:21 It doesn't translate, specifically, to my way of
• 08:24 thinking and to various doctrinal statements and I don't
• 08:27 wanna minimize the importance of theology, but there's that raw
• 08:30 faith, there's that daring to believe, there's looking to the
• 08:33 Lord, there is looking through the darkness with piercing eyes,
• 08:38 believing that even though there are difficulties at present,
• 08:41 there's hope for a future.
• 08:43 Speaking of making a voyage, there's an old Dutch proverb
• 08:46 that God doesn't promise us an easy voyage, but
• 08:48 he promises a safe harbor.
• 08:51 Sometimes, there's some high winds and high seas and we have
• 08:54 to deal with it on the way to that harbor, and I know that
• 08:57 those who forged out a nation here in early
• 09:01 America had to deal with that.
• 09:02 Those that forged out an early church had to deal with that.
• 09:05 Those that forged out their way in the biblical pages had
• 09:08 to deal with it as well, and so do we.
• 09:11 But with our faith, little as it is, we sow it,
• 09:16 we believe God, and then we grow into something bigger
• 09:20 by virtue of our so doing.
• 09:26 David: Our resources this week: two books by Christian
• 09:29 historian David Barton.
• 09:31 First, "America's Godly Heritage."
• 09:33 This book details what the founding fathers intended
• 09:36 for America and what can be done to return to its
• 09:39 original guiding philosophy.
• 09:41 Or "The Bulletproof George Washington."
• 09:44 In this riveting account of God's providence and protection
• 09:47 of the young soldier who later
• 09:48 became our first president.
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• 11:15 actually--we say one of our favorite spots, we--
• 11:18 everywhere we go is our favorite spot.
• 11:20 But we take you to the Dead Sea, where you get
• 11:22 in it and experience it.
• 11:25 I know you love the mud there.
• 11:26 Kirsten: Ah, we get there and one of my first things is I need
• 11:31 to get right down to the water and I jump in.
• 11:33 They have these pools of Dead Sea mud and I plaster
• 11:36 it everywhere, probably just like you do.
• 11:38 David: Have you done it?
• 11:40 Jeffrey: Once.
• 11:41 Kirsten: Really?
• 11:42 Do you mud up? Do you get all mud?
• 11:44 Jeffrey: Once, I've been there dozens and dozens of times.
• 11:48 Once, that's one of those things you gotta do once.
• 11:51 Kirsten: Oh, see, and I love it, I do it every time.
• 11:53 And I have to admit, yes, I drop a few shekel on the
• 11:59 Dead Sea products 'cause I love it.
• 12:01 I bring it home and it's what I use during the rest of the year.
• 12:05 Jeffrey: You know, it's great to get away, to vacate actually,
• 12:07 and people go on a vacation.
• 12:09 It comes from the word "to vacate."
• 12:11 It means to get away from the workaday and get inspired.
• 12:15 That's doubly true when you vacate to Israel.
• 12:18 And if you can't get there, you know, we love to bring it all to
• 12:21 you and I wanna ask you please, help us to do it.
• 12:26 We're in the Holy Land.
• 12:27 We make TV there.
• 12:29 We bring you guests from there.
• 12:31 We take you to places there.
• 12:33 And I hope that you would think that--you know,
• 12:35 there's 168 hours in a week.
• 12:37 When you watch this program, you're vacating.
• 12:40 We're looking to take you away from your everyday
• 12:42 workaday world and get you into the biblical world.
• 12:45 If you find value in that, inasmuch as Kirsten drops a few
• 12:50 dollars on Dead Sea products, drop some dollars to help us get
• 12:54 this product to market, please.
• 12:56 Kirsten: Your contributions also help us produce these
• 12:59 dramatic reenactments.
• 13:01 Now let's go back in time to 1776 to learn more about the
• 13:05 divinely inspired journey of Columbus.
• 13:10 ♪♪♪
• 13:19 clergyman: Good day, Betsy.
• 13:21 Betsy Ross: Good day, sir.
• 13:24 I'm humbled all the more when you remind me of those who've
• 13:27 gone before us: the Pilgrims you mentioned, a gritty lot, risking
• 13:33 hazard or fortune as they did to come to a foreign land.
• 13:36 clergyman: But they were only following the lofty efforts of
• 13:39 others who preceded them, mostly for godly reason.
• 13:43 Betsy: Others, sir?
• 13:46 clergyman: The discovery of a new world in the year 1492
• 13:50 of our Lord was, I believe, a benchmark on behalf
• 13:53 of our Christian faith.
• 13:56 Hear now the words of Mr. Christopher Columbus.
• 14:01 He may have not landed on our shores, but he considered his
• 14:06 journey to be divinely inspired.
• 14:12 "I prayed to the most merciful Lord about my heart's great
• 14:16 desire, and he gave me the spirit and the
• 14:19 intelligence for the task.
• 14:21 It was the Lord who put into my mind the fact that it would be
• 14:25 possible to sail to the Indies.
• 14:28 There is no question that the inspiration was from the Holy
• 14:32 Spirit, a strong and clear testimony from the books of the
• 14:36 Old Testament, from the Gospels, and from the Epistles,
• 14:40 encouraging me continually to press forward."
• 14:46 Betsy: I had no idea.
• 14:47 His journey was actually driven by godly pursuit?
• 14:51 clergyman: Yes, Betsy.
• 14:53 And he faced great opposition, even risking his longstanding
• 14:56 reputation to fulfill the Lord's calling.
• 15:00 Columbus continues: "Since things generally came to
• 15:04 pass that were predicted by our Savior Jesus Christ,
• 15:08 we should also believe that this particular
• 15:11 prophecy will come to pass.
• 15:14 I offer the Gospel text, Matthew 24:25, in which Jesus said that
• 15:19 all things would pass away, but not his marvelous Word.
• 15:24 Jesus affirmed that it was necessary that all things be
• 15:28 fulfilled that were prophesied by himself and by the prophets."
• 15:35 Betsy: By "the prophets," Mr. Columbus was referring to--?
• 15:39 clergyman: Isaiah, yes, he refers to Isaiah
• 15:42 specifically...here, yes, here.
• 15:47 "Isaiah goes into great detail in describing future events and
• 15:52 in calling all people to our holy faith.
• 15:56 For the execution of our journey, I did not make use of
• 15:59 intelligence, mathematics, or maps.
• 16:03 It is simply the fulfillment of what Isaiah had prophesied."
• 16:08 Betsy: Sir, I cannot say in all honesty that my motives are
• 16:13 as pure or as lofty as were those of Mr. Columbus.
• 16:17 clergyman: Betsy, none of us can say with certainty
• 16:22 what tomorrow brings.
• 16:24 It is our faith that sustains.
• 16:27 I continue.
• 16:29 "No one should fear to undertake any task in the
• 16:33 name of our Savior, if it is just and if the
• 16:37 intention is purely for his holy service.
• 16:40 The working out of all things has been assigned
• 16:43 to each person by our Lord."
• 16:49 Betsy, just like Columbus, we have no mathematics or maps to
• 16:55 guide us through this journey.
• 16:58 All we have are needles and thread, journals and Scripture.
• 17:06 May our intentions remain pure and for his holy service.
• 17:16 Jeffrey: We're used to thinking of Christopher Columbus
• 17:18 as a sea captain without paying attention to the
• 17:20 captain of his soul.
• 17:23 He had an interior world that was informed
• 17:25 by biblical worldview.
• 17:27 We know it 'cause he wrote it.
• 17:29 David Barton brings it to us.
• 17:32 Goodness gracious, Columbus had a rich faith, and David Barton
• 17:37 brings it out so brilliantly.
• 17:39 Let's go to him now.
• 17:42 Jeffrey: David, my Jewish friends refer to him as Colón,
• 17:45 a.k.a. Columbus, in part because we wanna claim him on our side.
• 17:50 There's an argument that he and others on the voyage
• 17:53 were of Jewish extract.
• 17:55 That might be true, but he definitely had a Judeo-Christian
• 17:59 worldview, underline Christian, correct?
• 18:01 David Barton: It's interesting, people today know
• 18:03 very little about Columbus except they think he's a bad
• 18:05 guy, and so we've seen eight to ten years now of
• 18:08 tearing Columbus statues down.
• 18:09 It's significant that there were more than 600 statues
• 18:13 erected to Columbus over the last 500 years.
• 18:16 I don't know of any individual in the world
• 18:17 who has so many statues erected.
• 18:19 So there was a period of time when we believed he's a
• 18:21 really good guy; today we think he's a terrible guy.
• 18:25 But I have not talked to a single person today who
• 18:27 knows the history of Columbus, they just know he's
• 18:29 a bad guy 'cause that's what they've been told.
• 18:31 Interesting thing about Columbus is he made four voyages and
• 18:34 those four voyages involved thousands of people.
• 18:38 They kept records, there were doctors, there were priests,
• 18:41 there were colonists, there were all sorts of people.
• 18:43 They wrote letters back, they had memoirs, they have diaries,
• 18:47 they have journals.
• 18:48 There's lots of original source material to know exactly what
• 18:51 kind of a person Columbus was.
• 18:53 We don't study that today.
• 18:54 But if you go back to the early 1800s, there's a literary figure
• 18:58 named Washington Irving, done a lot of literary writing, a lot
• 19:02 of kids study him in AP Literature in school.
• 19:05 He was made an ambassador to Spain.
• 19:08 When he went to Spain, while he was there as a US ambassador, he
• 19:10 spent a lot of time in the libraries in Spain studying the
• 19:13 original materials of Columbus.
• 19:15 He did this three-volume set in 1828.
• 19:18 It's one of the most extensive writings ever done on Columbus,
• 19:21 primary source documents.
• 19:23 But it's like this.
• 19:24 This is Columbus's writings from his own son, so these are
• 19:28 Columbus's papers handed down to his son.
• 19:30 This is actually part of Columbus's own--he did this
• 19:35 between his third and fourth voyage and it was done in his
• 19:38 own hand in Latin and it's been translated into English.
• 19:43 But there are so many records to know exactly
• 19:44 what this guy was about.
• 19:46 Jeffrey: What's the title of that one?
• 19:47 David: This is called, "Christopher Columbus's
• 19:49 Book of Prophecies."
• 19:51 Jeffrey: That's incredible to even think: book of prophecies,
• 19:56 Christopher Columbus.
• 19:58 David: Here's the deal with Columbus.
• 19:59 His name means "Christ bearer," and he took that very literally.
• 20:03 He believed that Christ had commissioned him to take the
• 20:06 gospel to the lands.
• 20:07 As he was reading through the Scriptures--and this actually
• 20:10 documents all the Scriptures he was reading.
• 20:12 He said he went through the entire Bible and the Holy Spirit
• 20:14 spoke to him in verse after verse and he documented it.
• 20:17 So--I'm not a Latin reader.
• 20:19 Jeffrey: He said the Holy Spirit spoke to him.
• 20:22 That's his language, not yours.
• 20:23 David: That's his language,
• 20:25 and I'm not a Latin--but I can tell that says Ezekiel and
• 20:28 that's Ezekiel chapter 27, and Ezekiel chapter 28, and Ezekiel
• 20:32 chapter--and what he does is he writes the verses in here the
• 20:35 Holy Spirit jumped out to him, and there's verses like in
• 20:38 Isaiah that talks about the light needs to go to
• 20:40 the isles of the sea, he said, "The isles of the sea.
• 20:42 God's showing me people need the gospel out there."
• 20:45 And so he literally was a Christ-bearing gospel.
• 20:49 Now people say, "Oh, but he's enslaved, he's genocide,
• 20:52 he's the first sex trafficker," et cetera.
• 20:55 No, it's interesting that he had conflicts
• 20:58 with natives, eventually.
• 20:59 On his first voyage, he discovered the Taíno tribe
• 21:02 and they had great relations, they were good friends.
• 21:04 And the Taíno said, "Oh, by the way, you may like us, but
• 21:07 there's another tribe called the Canibs or the Caribs,"
• 21:10 and Canibs is where we get the word "cannibal,"
• 21:12 Carib's where we get the word "Caribbean."
• 21:14 They said, "they're our enemies, they eat us."
• 21:16 And it's like Columbus says, "Nah, no, no, this is 1492.
• 21:19 We're way too civilized to have cannibals.
• 21:20 They wouldn't do that."
• 21:22 So he left on his first journey.
• 21:23 Some of his guys stayed behind, and while he was gone they were
• 21:25 attacked by the Canibs.
• 21:27 They were killed and they were eaten.
• 21:30 He got back, he found out that these guys are real, and so he
• 21:33 goes looking for the Canibs, and so he goes to war against those
• 21:37 people 'cause they're killing his friends, they're killing
• 21:39 other native tribes.
• 21:40 And he kind of virtually exterminates the cannibals.
• 21:43 And today we call that a genocide.
• 21:46 Well, that's kind of like us taking out ISIS.
• 21:48 Nobody calls that a genocide.
• 21:49 I mean, if you're that barbaric a people.
• 21:51 So he saved native tribes, he really brought some civilization
• 21:56 there, had great relations throughout his time with them.
• 21:59 And we just don't hear that story today.
• 22:01 Jeffrey: No, in fact, there's a sidebar to it.
• 22:03 When he's given a land grant from the Crown for Jamaica, the
• 22:08 charter for it was specific.
• 22:10 There's no litmus test for race or creed for those to be part of
• 22:14 the New World in Jamaica.
• 22:17 He was making room for Jewish people that were fleeing
• 22:20 and he was very open like that, and people tell a
• 22:23 different story about him.
• 22:25 David: Well, it's interesting, he lived at a
• 22:26 time when the Crusades were still pretty active,
• 22:29 and I see a lot of American history textbooks,
• 22:32 they talk about the Christian crusades, 15 to 17,
• 22:34 however many they count.
• 22:36 Nobody talks about the Muslim crusades,
• 22:38 548 on the Muslim side.
• 22:40 And Columbus had, as a young man, been involved in some of
• 22:43 those attacks where the Muslims were attacking Christians and
• 22:46 trying to subdue Christians, and they went through the
• 22:48 Holy Land, taking so much of the Holy Land.
• 22:51 And so he--people today say, "Oh, he was all
• 22:53 into greed and gold."
• 22:55 Well, he actually told the king and queen, he said, "Any profits
• 22:58 I have in this thing, I want to go to the conquest of Jerusalem
• 23:01 because," he said, "I've talked to the--all the theologians and
• 23:05 I've read their works and they say Jesus is gonna be
• 23:08 back in 155 years."
• 23:09 Now, who knows why that, but that's what he says.
• 23:12 And he says, "We need to get the Holy Land back in
• 23:14 the hands of God's people, Jews and Christians,
• 23:16 before the return of Christ."
• 23:18 So he's motivated to see the Holy Land back in the
• 23:21 hands of biblical people.
• 23:23 Jeffrey: That's the ethos of his own culture, certainly in
• 23:25 the Iberian Peninsula.
• 23:27 They had just reconquered it.
• 23:29 Grenada had fallen and then opens up the New World.
• 23:32 There is this wanting to take it all back.
• 23:34 David: And it's that sense of Jesus is gonna return.
• 23:37 He doesn't need to return to a place of conflict where the
• 23:39 Muslims are gonna try to kill Jews and Christians.
• 23:42 He needs to come back to a safe place.
• 23:44 And whatever we think about his thinking on that, his
• 23:48 heart was really good on it.
• 23:49 He wanted to do something good for the Lord.
• 23:52 Jeffrey: Well, you know, in that regard, Columbus and the
• 23:55 people that watch our program have in common.
• 23:57 Both are interested in Israel, in the Jewish roots, the Holy
• 24:03 Land, and you do such a marvelous job of bringing
• 24:07 us back to the holy inspiration behind the
• 24:09 founders of our own culture.
• 24:12 David: And it is very clear when you read the originals that
• 24:14 it was a biblical and a Judeo-Christian inspiration.
• 24:18 And as you point out, the heritage of Columbus seems
• 24:21 to be Jewish as well.
• 24:22 And so you have a Jewish- Christian connection there.
• 24:25 Jeffrey: Yeah, I'm just struck by it all.
• 24:27 Now you have one more book you didn't mention there.
• 24:29 David: Well, this is a program.
• 24:31 It's P.T. Barnum.
• 24:32 Barnum and Bailey Circus, the famous circus, and as part of
• 24:35 the circus, they had acts reenacting what Columbus did.
• 24:40 And so Columbus was such a hero to previous generations when we
• 24:43 actually read his writings and knew who he was.
• 24:45 But this is for all the kids that come to the circus to learn
• 24:48 about Columbus, what a great guy he is, and what a contrast today
• 24:51 when we're tearing down the statues, but this just shows the
• 24:55 pop culture of that day: Columbus really was a hero.
• 24:58 Jeffrey: You know, it's fascinating that we're propping
• 25:03 him up in one generation, tearing him down in another.
• 25:07 Tragic, we just lose sight of the faith of our fathers.
• 25:10 We don't even know what the origins are all about.
• 25:12 Last word's yours.
• 25:14 David: Most important thing is truth.
• 25:15 We hear a lot of narratives today.
• 25:17 Here's truth, here's eyewitness accounts,
• 25:19 here's accounts of his own handwriting.
• 25:21 Here's accounts of previous generations.
• 25:23 Knowing the truth is the most important thing about Columbus.
• 25:26 Jeffrey: Yes, and the truth will set us free.
• 25:28 We're out of time, but we have you a lot more.
• 25:30 Looking forward to this series as it unfolds, thank you, David.
• 25:34 David: Thanks, Jeff.
• 25:36 David Hart: It really is amazing the written proof that
• 25:38 David Barton has brought to this series.
• 25:41 I know there's a lot more that he brings in the next programs,
• 25:44 but wow, pretty amazing.
• 25:46 Jeffrey: I was just blown away.
• 25:48 Kirsten: I was gonna say, you can't disprove proof.
• 25:51 It's literal writings that he has and it's just a--I'm so glad
• 25:55 that he's been our guest 'cause it's amazing what he's literally
• 25:58 brought to the table.
• 25:59 Jeffrey: You know, when I'm not here doing this, you know,
• 26:01 I serve as a Bible college seminary professor, and in
• 26:04 academia we talk about primary source data, the
• 26:08 principal evidence, not the spin on it, just the evidence,
• 26:12 and it's important to bring it forth, and he does.
• 26:15 Kirsten: Well, here's my question for you real quick, I
• 26:17 know we don't have a lot of time right now 'cause the
• 26:19 interview with David Barton was so wonderful,
• 26:21 but here's my question.
• 26:22 We have Columbus, who we've talked about today, and then you
• 26:25 talked about Abraham, the father of our faith.
• 26:28 They both went on unknown journeys.
• 26:30 Is it okay to put them kind of together
• 26:33 in the same boat, should I say?
• 26:35 Thank you, that was good.
• 26:37 Jeffrey: That's very well, very well stated.
• 26:38 Of course, Abraham went over sand, Columbus went over sea,
• 26:42 but at the end of the day the points are very true.
• 26:44 You just walk into an uncertain future and
• 26:47 believe God and he leads.
• 26:48 He did it with them, he does it with us, he'll do it with you.
• 26:51 Kirsten: And we have more to come next week.
• 26:52 Join us next week.
• 26:54 More of "Faith of Our Fathers."
• 26:55 David: We end our program today with a song
• 26:57 from our founder, Zola Levitt.
• 26:58 Jeffrey: And a word from the Scripture:
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• 27:02 David: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
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