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Episode: “Turn-Speak” with Joan Peters, Part 2

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00:10 BRETHREN, MY HEART'S DESIRE AND PRAYER TO GOD FOR ISRAEL IS THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
00:16 THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GENTILE,
00:19 FOR THE SAME LORD OVERALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM.
00:36 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
00:37 JOAN PETERS IS BACK WITH US.
00:39 I READ HER WHOLE BIOGRAPHY LAST WEEK, SUFFICE IT TO SAY, WELL FOR ONE THING
00:44 SHE'S THE AUTHOR OF "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL:
00:47 THE ORIGINS OF THE ARAB-JEWISH CONFLICT OVER PALESTINE".
00:50 A BASIC BOOK, WHAT YOU CALL A "SOURCE".
00:54 THAT IS, IT'S NOT AN EDITORIAL BY A REPORTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
00:59 SHE'S A HISTORIAN. SHE WENT TO THE MIDDLE EAST. SHE WENT COUNTRY TO COUNTRY.
01:02 SHE RESEARCHED IT, SHE WROTE THIS--
01:04 HOW MANY PAGES DID YOU WRITE HERE?
01:06 ALMOST 600 PAGES OF DATA ON WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON OVER THERE.
01:20 YOU CAN GET THE BOOK AT AMAZON.COM, FOR ONE. IT'S AT BARNES AND NOBLE, ETC.
01:25 BUT GET THIS BOOK AND TAKE LOOK AT IT.
01:28 IT'S A LONG READ AS I SAID LAST WEEK, DON'T START IT WHEN YOU GO TO BED.
01:32 IT'S REALLY A PAGE-TURNER. IT'S REALLY A RIVETING BOOK.
01:36 YOU KNOW, SCRIPTURE PERTAINS IN SOME WAYS TO WHAT IS GOING ON TODAY.
01:42 IN PSALM 83, THERE IS A SINGLE VERSE THAT SAYS IN PSALM 83:4
01:58 THAT'S YOUR AREA, ISN'T IT, JOAN.
02:00 WOW, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY ON TARGET.
02:04 THAT'S INCREDIBLE. THAT'S A LITTLE SCARY.
02:08 IT IS SCARY.
02:21 THAT'S JUST WHAT'S GOING ON.
02:23 THAT'S EXACTLY, HOW CAN THAT BE?
02:27 THE PSALMIST LIVED 3000 YEARS AGO, BUT HE SAW THE TRUTH.
02:32 LOOK, WE'RE AT A TIME WHEN ISRAEL IS IN TROUBLE ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
02:37 IT'S PART OF YOUR DAILY WORK ISN'T IT?
02:39 ZIONISM HAS BEEN CALLED RACISM.
02:42 WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT, BY THE WAY? ZIONISM IS RACISM.
02:47 IT'S ABOUT THE JEWISH STATE.
02:49 THERE'S ONE SET OF RULES FOR THE JEWISH STATE AND ANOTHER SET OF RULES FOR ALL OTHER STATES.
02:54 THERE CAN'T BE A NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENT IF IT'S JEWISH.
02:58 THERE CAN BE A PALESTINIAN ARAB LIBERATION MOVEMENT,
03:00 EVEN IF IT'S NOT REAL, EVEN IF IT WAS INVENTED.
03:03 BUT THERE CAN'T BE--
03:05 YOU KNOW, THE CAMPUSES DON'T ALLOW A THING TAUGHT LIKE--
03:09 IN THE MAIN, THERE ARE NO SUCH COURSES.
03:14 THE NATIONAL LIBERATION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, THE NATIONAL LIBERATION OF ISRAEL.
03:20 WHY ISN'T THERE AN--
03:21 THE MODERN STATE OF ISRAEL, WHY ISN'T THERE A COURSE OF THAT.
03:24 HOW ABOUT--
03:27 THEY WOULD FIND THAT ISRAEL IS ON OF THE WORLD'S MOST PROGRESSIVE COUNTRIES,
03:30 DOING VERY, VERY WELL.
03:32 WHY ISN'T THERE AN I.L.O. TO MATCH THE P.L.O.?
03:36 AN ISRAEL LIBERATION ORGANIZATION.
03:38 THERE HAS BEEN, ISRAEL IS THE I.L.O.
03:41 ISRAEL WAS THERE LONG BEFORE THE P.L.O.,
03:45 THAT'S TRUE.
03:46 AND THE P.L.O. IS SIMPLY, NOT SO SIMPLY, BUT, WELL, MAYBE IT IS SIMPLE,
03:51 IT WAS IMPLANTED THERE IN ORDER TO DESTROY ISRAEL.
03:56 I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
04:00 IS THAT WHAT'S MEANT BY ARABS COMING ACROSS THE BORDERS AND SETTLING AND SO FORTH?
04:06 GOOD QUESTION.
04:07 ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION BY THE BRITISH, WAS MEANT, JEWS.
04:11 AS FAR AS THE BRITISH WERE CONCERNED, THERE WERE NO ILLEGAL ARAB IMMIGRANTS,
04:16 THEY WERE ONLY JEWISH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO WERE A NUISANCE TO THE BRITISH
04:21 BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO COME FROM HITLER'S GERMANY WHERE THEY WERE BEING SLAUGHTERED
04:26 AND THE BRITISH WOULDN'T ALLOW THEM IN THE MANDATORY PERIOD
04:30 BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE AN AFFRONT TO THE BRITISH AND TO THE ARABS.
04:35 THIS WAS IN THE 1940S, >>30S, 20S, 30S.
04:39 EVEN BACK TO THEN.
04:40 EVERY TIME THE JEWS CAME, THE BRITISH WOULD SHUT THEM OUT.
04:43 WELL, MISERABLE LITTLE JEWISH REFUGEE SHIPS
04:46 WERE BEING SHOT AT WHO WERE APPROACHING PALESTINE'S BORDERS
04:51 AND THE COASTS WERE CLEAR BUT THEY COULDN'T GET IN BECAUSE THE BRITISH HIGH COMMISSIONER
04:58 HAD PROMISED CERTAIN ARAB OFFENDEES AND ARAB INCITING TO VIOLENCE,
05:04 THAT IF THEY LET THE JEWS IN THERE WOULD BE MORE VIOLENCE.
05:08 THERE WAS NO NATIONALISM AT THAT TIME. THERE WAS NONE.
05:12 THERE WAS ONLY WHAT IS AN AGE-OLD HATRED OF THE NON-MUSLIM, THE INFIDEL
05:18 AND THAT COULD BE INCITED READILY.
05:21 ALL IT NEEDED IS A MUFTI, THE GRAND MUFTI OF THE AREA WAS--
05:27 ISLAMIC LEADER. >>YES, HE WAS.
05:30 BUT HE WAS IN FACT INCITING HATE BLINDLY.
05:35 IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EITHER POLITICS OR ISRAEL.
05:41 AND WE'RE SEEING, REALLY, IT COME TO FRUITION, FINALLY THE BRITISH GAVE UP,
05:45 THE JEWS DID COME IN. THEY REESTABLISHED THEIR COUNTRY.
05:47 WELL, THEY DIDN'T GIVE UP FOR QUITE A LONG WHILE.
05:50 MEANTIME THERE WERE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF JEWS
05:53 WHO WERE NOT ALLOWED INTO THEIR OWN HOMELAND
05:55 WHICH HAD BEEN MANDATED TO THEM IN THE--
05:59 I WOULD SAY 1920 IS THE CORRECT DATE THAT WAS WHEN THE MANDATORY PERIOD BEGAN.
06:04 THERE WAS AN INTERNATIONAL MANDATE FOR A JEWISH NATIONAL HOME.
06:08 THAT MEANT ISRAEL.
06:10 AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BEGIN IN 1920, THE BALFOUR DECLARATION MERELY UNDERSCORED THAT.
06:16 BUT THE BALFOUR DECLARATION WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE MANDATE
06:20 GIVING THE JEWS INTERNATIONAL, A FORCE OF POWER AS A STATE.
06:26 WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE BRITISH HONORED THIS MANDATE IN THE BREACH.
06:31 THEY CALLED ARABS NATIVES. THEY CALLED JEWS INTERLOPERS.
06:36 THEY CALLED THEM INTRUDERS. THEY CALLED THEM ALIENS.
06:40 IN FACT, THEY WERE IMPORTING SECRETLY, THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF ARABS TO ISRAEL,
06:48 TO PALESTINE FROM AREAS ALL OVER THE ARAB WORLD
06:52 AND SAYING THAT THE PLACES WERE NOT THERE FOR THE JEWS.
06:56 THEY SAID THAT THE ABSORPTIVE CAPACITY FOR JEWS HAD BEEN REACHED IN THE COUNTRY
07:02 THAT THEY HAD BEEN GRANTED, SO THAT IT WAS SO PERVERTED AND SO DISTORTED GOING IN,
07:10 THAT BY THE TIME 1948 CAME, IT WAS A CONTINUATION OF PERVERSION OF IMMORALITY.
07:18 IT WASN'T THE BEGINNING.
07:20 THE JEWS MUST COME OUT AND FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE AND FOR THEIR COUNTRY.
07:23 THEY FIGHT FOR EVERYTHING.
07:24 THE IBOS, THE KOREANS, THE BLACKS, >>THE WHALES,
07:28 THE CHINESE, THEY FIGHT FOR EVERYTHING.
07:30 THEY'RE IN TOUCH WITH HUMAN RIGHTS EVERYWHERE.
07:33 BUT THEY ARE BLINDED IN THERE OWN LAND.
07:37 THAT IS A PHENOMENON I'VE NOTICED.
07:39 IF ISRAEL, SAY, TOURISM DEPENDED ON AMERICAN JEWISH PEOPLE TO COME,
07:44 I THINK THEY WOULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
07:46 THAT'S RIGHT.
07:48 BUT THE CHURCH PEOPLE ARE COMING, THE SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS,
07:52 PEOPLE WHO WATCH OUR PROGRAM, CERTAINLY COME TO ISRAEL, READILY,
07:55 EVEN IN THE WORST OF TIMES. I'M RATHER PROUD OF THEM.
07:59 I'MSURE THEY'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
08:02 YES, YES. >>I'M SURE THEY ARE.
08:03 LOOK, CAMPUS IS A PLACE WHERE IT STARTS.
08:06 I, MYSELF, AM IN THE MIDDLE, I'M EMBROILED WITH A CAMPUS
08:09 THAT SUBVERTED A SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT OF MINE
08:13 SO THAT WHEN I FINALLY STOOD BEFORE THE AUDIENCE,
08:15 THERE WERE ONLY 2 STUDENTS FROM THE UNIVERSITY THAT CAME,
08:18 EVEN THOUGH WE SENT PLENTY OF PUBLICITY AND WERE READY TO SEND PLENTY MORE.
08:22 PEOPLE FROM A LOCAL CHURCH POURED IN, BUT AS FOR STUDENTS, I ASKED FOR A SHOW OF HANDS,
08:27 THERE WERE 2 AND THEN I LEARNED THEY NEEDED THE ASSEMBLY CREDITS.
08:31 THEY SUFFERED THROUGH THAT AND GOT STAMPED ON THE WAY OUT AND THEY'LL NEVER COME BACK.
08:37 BUT YOU'VE BEEN SPEAKING ON CAMPUSES MORE THAN I HAVE.
08:41 WELL, I WAS, BUT LATELY THEY HAVE BEEN CANCELING ME.
08:46 THEY HAVE CANCELED EVERYTHING THAT IS ZIONIST OR PRO-ZIONIST OR PRO-ISRAELI
08:52 AND WELL, YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN CANADA WITH BENJAMIN NETANYAHU.
08:57 I WAS IN THAT SAME CITY A WEEK EARLIER AND I GOT TO SPEAK AT A SCHOOL,
09:04 BUT IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF PURE LUCK.
09:07 IT NETANYAHU HAD HAPPENED FIRST, IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.
09:11 BUT I AN GETTING CALLS FROM EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD TO COME AND SPEAK.
09:15 YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE WHERE.
09:17 ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T GET TO TELL YOU
09:20 IS THAT MY BOOK IS COMING OUT IN NORWEGIAN, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT.
09:24 MY GOODNESS.
09:25 IN THE BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER.
09:27 I HAD A BOOK COME OUT IN NORWEGIAN, COULDN'T READ A WORD OF IT.
09:30 I GUESS IT WAS MY BOOK. >>I CAN'T.
09:33 IN FACT I HAD SOMEBODY CHECK IT THE WHOLE TRANSLATION,
09:36 MAKE SURE IT'S ALL >>I DID.
09:37 I HAD A WONDERFUL PERSON I FOUND IN ISRAEL TO DO THAT.
09:40 SHE WAS A NORWEGIAN JEW WHO LIVED IN ISRAEL.
09:43 SHE'S VERY GOOD.
09:45 HER NAME IS JACKI FEINBERG, JUST IN CASE YOU WANT TO GIVE HER A LITTLE HELLO AND THANK YOU.
09:50 BUT I MUST SAY THAT I'VE HAD CALLS FROM DUBLIN,
09:54 I'VE HAD CALLS FROM AMES, IOWA, I'VE HAD CALLS FROM FRESNO, CA.
09:59 THEY WANT TO HEAR YOU-- >>FROM SYDNEY AUSTRALIA.
10:01 THEY NEED, IT ISN'T A MATTER OF WANTING, THEY SOUND SO DESPERATE.
10:07 THEY ARE SO UPSET. THEY SAY THERE'S NO BALANCE.
10:11 THERE ARE FILM AFTER FILM AGAINST JEWS, AGAINST ISRAEL,
10:16 BUT THEY HAVE NO-- WHAT THEY SAY IS, WE NEED TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE.
10:21 I SAY, WHAT'S THE OTHER SIDE?
10:25 THEY SAY, THE SIDE ABOUT ISRAEL AND JEWS AND THEIR RIGHTS.
10:31 I SAID WHAT SIDE ARE YOU HEARING NOW.
10:33 WELL WE'RE HEARING ABOUT ALL THE RIGHTS OF THE ARABS
10:36 AND YOU KNOW, ZOLA, IT IS SO OBSCENE TO ME TO HEAR THAT CAMPUSES HAVE BEEN STOLEN
10:45 BY THE LIES OF THE ARAB WORLD AND THE HATRED THAT OUR VERY CAMPUSES,
10:52 THE BASTIONS OF INTELLECTUAL FREEDOM AND CURIOSITY
10:58 ARE BEING TAKEN OVER BY SOMETHING SO FASCISTIC AS THIS.
11:03 I REALLY BALK AT IT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO,
11:08 BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE BOTH OF US HAVE BEEN VERY BADLY BEATEN BY THIS.
11:14 YES. >>AND IT'S HATE.
11:16 IT'S PURE UNADULTERATED HATE.
11:18 IT HAS TO BE TEMPERED AND WE CAN'T ALLOW A "HITLERIAN" KIND OF FASCISM
11:24 TO TAKE OVER THE CAMPUSES BECAUSE TO GIVE EQUAL TIME TO THE LIES OF ARABS
11:31 ABOUT PALESTINE AND TO THE JEWISH HISTORY OF THEIR LAND AND HOW THEY GOT IT
11:37 AND HOW THEY'RE KEEPING IT IN SPITE OF ALL OF THE TERROR,
11:41 THAT IS TANTAMOUNT TO GIVING HITLER EQUAL TIME
11:45 WITH THE JEWS WHO WERE WALKED TO THEIR DEATH IN THE OVENS.
11:48 I DEVOTED MY PAST SUMMER TO DRIVING THROUGH THE MIDWEST WITH A TRAILER WITH MY WIFE
11:55 AND GOING TO, ATTEMPTING TO GO CAMPUS TO CAMPUS.
11:59 WE PUBLICIZED THIS. WE CONTACTED PEOPLE IN COLLEGE TOWNS.
12:02 THEY WENT TO THE COLLEGES.
12:04 WE MAILED VIDEO TAPE OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY AHEAD, NO SURPRISES.
12:08 WE GOT ALMOST NO TAKERS.
12:10 I COULD COMMEND THE PITTSBURGH STATE UNIVERSITY IN KANSAS
12:15 THAT HAD ME OR GOVERNOR'S STATE IN CHICAGO.
12:18 USUALLY IT WAS THE WORK OF ONE GOOD GUY ON CAMPUS THAT MADE IT HAPPEN,
12:22 BUT FRANKLY, I ALMOST WASTED THE TIME AND I DID IT WITHOUT FEE, WITHOUT TRAVEL EXPENSE,
12:29 SIMPLY WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY.
12:32 NOBODY, FORGET ABOUT THIS DIVERSITY, FORGET ABOUT THIS "ALL VOICES WELCOME",
12:38 THERE'S NO SUCH THING ON OUR CAMPUSES.
12:40 THEY ARE MUSLIM INSTITUTIONS.
12:42 YES THEY ARE. AND IT'S VERY SAD.
12:44 IT'S TERRIBLY SAD, LOOK WE HAVE TO GO TO A BREAK JUST MOMENTARILY,
12:47 BUT I HATE TO GIVE THAT REPORT AND I DID SO IN THE LEVITT LETTER
12:52 BUT IT WAS AN UTTER FAILURE IN THE SENSE OF TALKING TO STUDENT BODIES
12:57 BECAUSE NOBODY CAME BUT CHURCH PEOPLE.
12:59 THE UNIVERSITIES DID THE BEST THEY COULD TO SUPPRESS THE SPEECHES
13:04 AND JOAN HAS HAD PLENTY OF LIKE EXPERIENCES.
13:08 WE'RE GOING TO A BREAK RIGHT NOW.
13:09 SHE'S JOAN PETERS. SHE'S "SOURCE MATERIAL".
13:11 SHE WROTE "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL".
13:13 YOU WANT THE TRUTH, GET IT HERE.
13:15 BACK WITH HER RIGHT AFTER THIS.
13:17 FOR A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING IN ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE EAST,
13:23 ASK FOR ZOLA'S FREE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER, THE LEVITT LETTER.
13:30 ZOLA'S NEW KINGDOM CATALOG DESCRIBES HIS BOOKS, TEACHING TAPES AND CORRESPONDENCE COURSE.
13:37 FOR ZOLA'S FREE NEWSLETTER AND CATALOG, PLEASE CALL 1-800-WONDERS
14:17 FOR ME TO BE HERE, IS A DOUBLE BLESSING, FOR ALL THAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
14:21 IT'S TRULY A PLACE OF UNSPOKEN PEACE.
14:25 IT'S BEEN A BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL TRIP.
14:27 I WOULDN'T TAKE IT FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD
14:29 AND I BELIEVE IT'S A TRUE BLESSING FROM GOD THAT I'M HERE.
14:33 IT'S MAKING THE SCRIPTURE COME ALIVE FOR US
14:36 AND WE KEEP THINKING IT CAN'T GET BETTER THAN THIS, BUT IT DOES.
14:41 IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER.
14:43 IT'S A CHANCE OF A LIFETIME AND IT GIVES YOU SO MUCH MORE OF WHAT YOU READ IN THE BIBLE
14:50 AND YOU THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS,
14:53 BUT UNTIL YOU COME HERE AND ACTUALLY VISUALIZE THE THINGS LIKE THE EMPTY TOMB
14:58 AND THE OLIVE TREES, IT MAKES THE WHOLE SCRIPTURE COME TO LIFE.
15:04 IT'S MY SECOND TRIP AND IT'S EVEN BETTER THAN THE FIRST TIME.
15:07 I KNOW SOME HAVE COME SEVERAL TIMES, LIKE ZOLA, MANY, MANY TIMES
15:11 AND EVERY TIME, IT JUST GETS BETTER.
15:13 SO MAYBE I'LL COME AGAIN, BUT WE KNOW WE'LL ALL BE HERE FOR WHEN THE LORD COMES BACK,
15:22 WE'LL MEET HERE.
15:24 WELL, THOSE ARE OUR TOURS OF ISRAEL GOING ON ALL THE TIME AS USUAL AND NO PROBLEMS.
15:29 WHAT CAN I TELL YOU? 30 YEARS, 77 TOURS, NOT A STUBBED FINGER.
15:34 TAKE A CHANCE FOLKS.
15:36 TAKE A BREAK FROM YOUR DANGEROUS PLACE WHERE YOU LIVE, CAN I SAY THAT?
15:39 YES.ANY PLACE IN AMERICA IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN ANY LIKE POPULATED PLACE IN ISRAEL,
15:46 EVEN WITH THE TERRORISM.
15:48 BUT I DON'T KNOW, JOAN, PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK ALL THE TIME.
15:52 WE'RE HEARING SO MUCH PROPAGANDA ABOUT THE PLACE.
15:55 YOU WERE READING LAST WEEK FROM YOUR, "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL".
15:59 GIVE ME ANOTHER SELECTION OUT OF THIS "TURN-SPEAK" YOU WERE CALLING IT.
16:03 YES. >>HOW THEY DISTORT.
16:05 YES, WELL WHAT WE ARE HEARING, WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO IS JUST READ ONE SENTENCE
16:10 THAT SOUNDS VERY FACTUAL AND SIMPLE AND CORRECT.
16:15 AND THEN TAKE IT APART AND SHOW HOW MANY ELEMENTS OF IT ARE FALSE AND DECEITFUL AND LIES.
16:23 OKAY.I'LL DO THIS ONE.
16:34 IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE.
16:38 THE ARABS HAD--
16:43 IN MY BOOK, I TRACE THE ARAB COMMUNITIES THAT CAME FOLLOWING IN UPON THE JEWISH SETTLERS
16:49 WHO FIRST CAME TO RESETTLE ISRAEL IN THE END OF THE 19TH CENTURY.
16:54 THEY HAD WHAT THEY CALLED, KETAVIM,
16:58 THE JEWS WROTE THEIR SORT OF LETTERS TO THEIR PEOPLE AT HOME
17:03 AND THEY CALLED THEM KETAVIM AND THEY WOULD DESCRIBE HOW 10 ARABS WOULD COME
17:09 AND THEN A WHOLE TRIBE WOULD END UP COMING
17:12 AND PLANTING THEMSELVES AT THE FOOT OF A SETTLEMENT THAT HAD JUST DEVELOPED
17:16 AND BEGINNING TO TRY TO GET THE BENEFITS THAT WERE ACCRUING TO THE JEWS WHO HAD MOVED IN THERE.
17:22 AND IT WAS A ROUGH TERRITORY.
17:24 SO THEY COULDN'T STAY THERE VERY LONG.
17:26 THEY MOVED ON AND ANOTHER GROUP CAME AND THE TURKISH, THE OTTOMAN RULER OF THE TIME,
17:35 WAS CHARGING THE USURIOUS INTEREST RATES IN ORDER TO STAY ON THE LAND FOR A SEASON
17:41 AND THEY WOULD CHARGE UP TO 120% INTEREST FOR A LOAN THEY GAVE TO KEEP THEM THERE.
17:48 MORE THAN DOUBLE. >>IN ORDER TO PAY THE TOLL.
17:51 THEY HAD TO PAY HEAD-TAX TO THE TURKISH.
17:54 THE TURKISH HEAD-TAX WAS COLLECTED BY THE ARAB OFFENDEES WHO WERE ABSENTEE.
18:00 THE OWNERS OF THIS LAND WERE NOT IN THE LAND WHERE THE JEWS AND ARABS WERE.
18:05 THEY WERE IN LEBANON. THEY WERE IN SYRIA.
18:09 THEY WERE SIMPLY CASHING IN ON THIS FLOW OF PEOPLE,
18:14 BUT THERE WAS A CONSTANT EXCHANGE OF PEOPLE AND THE TURKS WERE BRINGING IN PEOPLE
18:19 FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WITHIN THE TURKISH EMPIRE, FOR EXAMPLE BOSNIA.
18:25 THERE ARE MANY BOSNIANS WHO ARE CONSIDERED NOW, PALESTINIANS.
18:29 I HEARD OF THIS, YES, SOMEBODY IN ISRAEL TOLD ME WE HAVE PAKISTANIS HERE.
18:34 WE HAVE IRANIANS HERE.
18:35 WE HAVE EVERYBODY IN THE MIDDLE EAST JUST WALKS OVER THE BORDERS
18:38 AND THEN THEY CALL THEMSELVES PALESTINIANS.
18:40 I HAVE A LIST HERE.
18:42 DID YOU KNOW-- I CAN'T FIND IT AT THE MOMENT.
18:47 IT'S A LIST OF ALL THE NATIONALITIES THAT CALL THEMSELVES NATIVE IN JERUSALEM.
18:51 HOW MANY APPROXIMATELY, >>MAYBE 50.
18:55 50 DIFFERENT NATIONALITIES.
18:57 50, 5-0, YES, BUT I MEAN ALL OVER THE WORLD.
19:00 THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT THERE IS SO MUCH-- SO MANY LAYERS OF DECEIT.
19:08 THEY START SO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES.
19:11 YOU CAN'T GO FROM ONE TO ANOTHER WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THE DECEIT.
19:15 YOU HAVE TO CUT THROUGH.
19:16 YOU HAVE TO BREAK THIS INCREDIBLE MYTHOLOGY
19:20 THAT HAS CREATED THE ANTI-SEMITISM AGAINST ISRAEL.
19:23 YOU MUST, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DO IT.
19:26 IT'S IMPORTANT NOW.
19:29 TODAY, OF COURSE, THE PROBLEM OF THE MOMENT IS THE HOMICIDE BOMBINGS AGAINST THE JEWS
19:37 THAT THE SO CALLED PALESTINIANS PERPETRATING AND AS WE SIT TODAY,
19:42 THERE'S MUCH TALK ABOUT BUILDING THIS FENCE OR TRYING TO FENCE
19:46 THE JEWISH SETTLEMENTS AWAY FROM THE PALESTINIAN HOMICIDE BOMBERS.
19:51 JUST RECENTLY THE U.N. DECLARED, WELL, THAT'S JUST A TERRIBLE THING
19:56 AND THEY CAN'T DO IT AND SO FORTH.
19:58 CAN THEY SERIOUSLY SAY TO PEOPLE, DO NOT PROTECT YOURSELF AGAINST MURDERERS?
20:02 I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
20:05 THEY MIGHT SERIOUSLY SAY IT, BUT I HOPE THE ISRAELIS WON'T ACCEPT IT.
20:10 WOULD THE AMERICANS ACCEPT IT? I ASK YOU.
20:12 WOULD WE BUILD A FENCE TO KEEP OUT HOMICIDE BOMBERS OR WOULD WE GET RID OF THEM?
20:17 WOULD WE KEEP THEM OUT AT ANY COST? WHAT WOULD WE DO?
20:21 I CAN'T IMAGINE US BUILDING MAKE-SHIFT FENCES TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN
20:25 BECAUSE WE COULDN'T PROTECT THEM ANY OTHER WAY, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE JEWS ARE UP AGAINST.
20:30 WHY CAN'T THE JEWS DO WHAT WE DO WHICH IS TO GO IN THE AREAS AND ARREST THE PEOPLE?
20:34 THEY DO--
20:35 BUT-IT'S NOT JUST JEWS, I SAID JEWS,
20:37 BUT EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT ITS JEWS AND CHRISTIANS AND OTHERS WHO ARE NOT MUSLIM.
20:42 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
20:44 IT'S NOT SIMPLY JEWS WHO LIVE IN THE JEWISH STATE.
20:47 THERE ARE MANY OTHERS WHO LIVE--
20:49 IMMIGRANTS TO ISRAEL OF ALL SORTS,
20:51 VISITORS AND SO FORTH ARE ALL EXPOSED TO THESE HOMICIDE BOMBS.
20:58 YES.
20:59 WHAT IS THE COMPLAINT ABOUT THE FENCE? WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT?
21:02 I MEAN, IT'S NOT-- YOU HATE TO DO IT, BUT GIVEN THAT,
21:05 IS THERE SOMETHING TERRIBLY WRONG ABOUT FENCING OFF MURDERERS?
21:10 WELL, OF COURSE NOT, BUT THE MURDERERS DON'T WANT TO BE FENCED OFF, DO THEY?
21:15 NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
21:16 AND SINCE THE HAVE A FINAL SAY IN WORLD OPINION,
21:19 IN THE COURT OF WORLD OPINION, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO GO.
21:23 I JUST WONDER, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE PENDULUM,
21:29 AND I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN ISRAEL
21:38 ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE SLAUGHTERED BEFORE THE PENDULUM SWINGS THE OTHER WAY.
21:42 IS IT GOING TO BE A HOLOCAUST?
21:44 WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT, WHETHER THE PENDULUM HAS SWUNG TOO FAR.
21:48 HERE THE PRIME MINISTER OF MALAYSIA CRITICIZED JEWISH PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS,
21:52 RATHER LIKE HITLER.
21:54 PEOPLE EVERYWHERE, CAMPUSES, NEWSPAPERS, THE NEW YORK TIMES--
21:59 MILITANT INSTEAD OF TERRORISTS--
22:00 THIS KIND OF TALK--
22:02 IT'S GIVING THEM RESPECTABILITY FOR MURDERING.
22:05 MAYBE THE PENDULUM WILL GO TOO FAR UP ONE SIDE,
22:09 START BACK THE OTHER WAY AND PEOPLE START SAYING, NOW WAIT A MINUTE THAT'S UNREASONABLE.
22:14 THE JEWS HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING REALLY TO ANYBODY.
22:17 WHEN?
22:18 THAT'S THE QUESTION WHEN AND THEN BIBLE PROPHECY, IF THIS IS THE TIME OF THE END,
22:24 SAYS IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP, IT'S GOING TO LEAD ALL THE WAY TO ARMAGEDDON,
22:29 WHERE THE WHOLE WORLD IS GOING TO ATTACK ISRAEL
22:31 AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE, BY THE WAY, ACCORDING TO PROPHECY.
22:34 THAT'S THE END OF ALL THIS. THIS IS THE FAMOUS ARMAGEDDON.
22:38 DO YOU THINK THIS IS BUILDING TO A FINAL CATACLYSM LIKE THAT OR IS IT GOING TO SWING BACK?
22:47 YOU HAVE THE WISDOM TO-- >>I DON'T HAVE PROPHECY.
22:50 I PRAY WITH ALL MY HEART THAT ISN'T WHAT HAPPENS.
22:54 I PRAY THERE'S A PENDULUM THAT SWINGS BACK.
22:58 IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE TO HAVE SWUNG BACK WITH HUMANENESS
23:02 BECAUSE IF PEOPLE WERE HUMANE, THEY COULDN'T HAVE LET THIS GO ON AS LONG AS IT HAS.
23:06 I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT--
23:08 DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK? >>SURE.
23:11 I THINK THAT IT'S A KIND OF VENGEANCE AGAINST THE JEWS
23:15 FOR HAVING VICTIMIZED IN THE HOLOCAUST.
23:17 I THINK THE JEWS HAVE NOW BEEN PUT INTO A POSITION WHERE PEOPLE CAN SAY,
23:23 YOU SEE, YOU'RE NOT SUCH GOOD GUYS AFTER ALL.
23:26 YOU DID SOMETHING BAD TO THE ARABS.
23:28 THEY HAVE MANUFACTURED THIS WHOLE CASE AGAINST THE JEWS
23:31 KNOWING THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR SOME WAY,
23:36 SOME THING TO GIVE THEM AN EXCUSE FOR WHAT THEY LET HAPPEN.
23:41 TO JUSTIFY THE WHOLE THING. >>IN WWII.
23:43 VERY INTERESTING.
23:45 GUILT CAUSES YOU TO SAY, WELL, YOU DESERVED IT.
23:49 I BELIEVE SO.
23:50 I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER REASON THAT EVEN APPROACHES SANITY.
23:55 IF IT'S INSANE, THEN YOU SIMPLY SAY AGAIN,
23:57 LIKE HITLER DID IN WWII, JEWS ARE VERMIN THEREFORE THEY LOOK LIKE RATS.
24:04 WE HAVE TO KILL THEM AND GET RID OF THEM,
24:07 THEN THAT'S INSANE AND YOU CAN'T GO ANYWHERE ELSE BUT TO WHAT YOU SPOKE OF
24:12 BUT IT THERE'S ANY SANITY AT ALL, MAYBE,
24:15 ALTHOUGH IT'S MUCH TOO LATE TO THINK OF IT AS HUMANE,
24:19 MAYBE THERE CAN BE AN ATTEMPT TO BACKTRACK TO LOOK AT THE EVIL THAT HAS BEEN DONE
24:28 IF NO OTHER REASON THAN 9-11, THE DEBACLE.
24:34 VERY GOOD POINT.
24:37 WE OURSELVES HAVE BEEN ATTACKED.
24:39 HOW CAN WE NOT IDENTIFY WITH THE ISRAELIS IN A TIME LIKE THIS.
24:44 HOW CAN THE ALLOW THE WORLD TO BLAME THE JEWS FOR 9-11.
24:50 EXPLAIN THAT TO ME BECAUSE YOU ARE THE "MAN OF THE CLOTH". I AM NOT.
24:56 I WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT COULD BE PERPETRATED.
24:59 DO YOU KNOW THAT MOST OF THE WORLD BELIEVES THAT WAS DONE BY THE MOUSSAUD
25:03 AND JEWS WERE SENT HOME FROM THE WORLD TRADE CENTER.
25:07 MOST OF THESE STORIES HAVE CIRCULATED IN SPITE OF THE LISTS
25:10 HOW CRAZY IS THAT?
25:12 THE LIST OF CASUALTIES IN THE NEW YORK TIMES WITH HUNDREDS OF WAS JEWISH NAMES.
25:15 AS A "MAN OF THE CLOTH", I'LL JUST SAY THIS,
25:19 I HOLD ISRAEL TOTALLY BLAMELESS, TOTALLY INNOCENT.
25:23 I DON'T' SEE, NOT AS A JEW, NOT AS A GUY WHO GOES THERE A LOT,
25:28 BUT JUST AS A NORMAL THINKING HUMAN BEING,
25:31 I DO NOT SEE THAT THEY HAVE DONE ANYTHING AT ALL WRONG.
25:35 THEY ARE AS TENDER AND CAREFUL WITH ARAB PEOPLE AS THEY CAN BE WHEN THE GO AND GET A MURDERER
25:40 JUST LIKE WE DO, THEY CRITICIZE, THEY USE THE SMALLEST MISSILE, SOLDIERS ON THEIR FEET,
25:46 TAKING CASUALTIES, TRYING TO SPARE CIVILIANS.
25:50 YOU GET UP TO HERE WITH IT AND ALMOST SAY, LET'S GET THIS INTIFADA, "SO CALLED" OVER WITH.
25:56 IT WILL TAKE 5 MINUTES.
25:58 THE ISRAELIS AREN'T LIKE THAT. THEY ARE MORAL, THEY ARE DECENT, THEIR LAW PRECLUDES--
26:04 THEY GET NO, ABSOLUTELY NO RECOGNITION FOR THAT.
26:07 ABSOLUTELY TWISTED INTO A DEVIL IMAGE, NOTHING THEY DO,
26:13 NO HUMANE ACT THAT THEY'VE COMPILED IN THIS--
26:18 I HAVE A HUGE, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PAGES I HAVE
26:22 LOADED WITH THINGS THAT THE ISRAELIS HAVE DONE
26:25 WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO MAN BECAUSE THEY ARE SO HUMANE.
26:29 I HAVE TO STOP YOU AND I WANT TO SAVE TIME TO TELL PEOPLE TO READ THIS.
26:33 IT'S OVER? >>IT'S OVER.
26:35 OUR WONDERFUL CONVERSATION. "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL" IS HER BOOK,
26:40 "THE ORIGINS OF THE ARAB JEWISH CONFLICT OVER PALESTINE".
26:43 IT'S AVAILABLE FROM AMAZON.COM. AND THE BIG BOOKSTORES.
26:47 GET IT, READ IT, GET ON THE TEAM HERE.
26:50 GET WITH GOD. GET WITH THE ZIONIST
26:53 AND SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM, PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.

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