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Caption transcript for Revelation: “35 Life Sentences” with Walid Shoebat (5/6)

• 00:39 SHALOM, HELLO AGAIN.
• 00:41 WALID SHOEBAT IS BACK WITH US.
• 00:43 WE THANK HIM FOR COMING BY.
• 00:46 THIS IS A SPECIAL PROGRAM LIKE LAST WEEK'S,
• 00:49 WHERE KEN, OUR PRODUCER, KEN BERG,
• 00:51 INTERVIEWED SOME PALESTINIAN PRISONERS AND LET THEM AIR THEIR GRIEVANCES
• 00:56 AND WE HAVE WALID HERE WHO HIMSELF WAS A PALESTINIAN TERRORIST.
• 01:02 HE IS NOW A CONVERTED CHRISTIAN.
• 01:04 BUT HE WILL COMMENT ON WHAT THEY SAY.
• 01:07 WE'RE GOING TO A LOCATION NEAR BEER-SHEVA, ISRAEL.
• 01:11 AND WE'LL CONTINUE WITH FOOTAGE FROM THE PRISON.
• 01:15 KEN IS INTERVIEWING THE PRISONERS AND YOU CAN MONITOR THIS FOR YOURSELF.
• 01:22 ISRAEL'S BEER-SHEVA PRISON IS ALSO KNOWN AS AL HADIM KADAR PRISON, THE TENTS OF KADAR,
• 01:29 BECAUSE IT WAS HERE THAT ABRAHAM WOULD LIKELY HAVE PITCHED HIS TENTS SOME 3900 YEARS AGO.
• 01:35 THE PRISON IS SURROUNDED BY HEAVILY FORTIFIED WALLS,
• 01:38 WATCH TOWERS AND ELECTRIC FENCE, BARBED WIRE AND WATCH DOGS.
• 01:42 THERE ARE ABOUT 2,000 INMATES HERE, OF WHICH 1,500 ARE CONVICTED TERRORISTS.
• 01:47 TO LOOK AT HIM YOU'D NEVER GUESS THAT ABBAS AL SAYYED, THE PRISONER YOU'RE ABOUT TO MEET,
• 01:53 HAS BEEN SENTENCED TO HUNDREDS OF YEARS.
• 01:56 CLEAN SHAVEN AND NATTILY ATTIRED, HE'S BEEN CONVICTED OF COORDINATING 2 SUICIDE BOMBINGS,
• 02:01 RESULTING IN THE DEATHS OF 35 PEOPLE.
• 02:04 I AM THE YOUNGEST SON OF MY FAMILY.
• 02:08 MY FAMILY IS HERE SINCE THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
• 02:14 WE LIVE IN TUL KARIM.
• 02:15 I AM AN ENGINEER.
• 02:17 I GOT MY B.A. IN MECHANICAL ENGINEERING FROM JORDAN.
• 02:22 I GOT A SCHOLARSHIP TO SPECIALIZE IN BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING IN USA.
• 02:28 IT WAS AT EMORY UNIVERSITY IN ATLANTA GEORGIA, BETWEEN 1991 TO 1992.
• 02:35 (KEN) AND WHY ARE YOU HERE?
• 02:37 I WAS A MEMBER OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE
• 02:41 ON THE ACCUSATION OF OPPOSING OCCUPATION.
• 02:46 I WAS ARRESTED AND I AM HERE.
• 02:48 SO WE HAVE NOW 9,000 PALESTINIAN SECURITY PRISONERS INSIDE THE ISRAELI PRISONS.
• 02:56 ALL OF THEM ARE BECAUSE OF THE OCCUPATION.
• 02:58 IT IS DIFFERENT FROM ONE DETAINEE TO ANOTHER,
• 03:02 BUT ALL OF US ARE HERE ONLY BECAUSE OF OPPOSING OR FIGHTING OCCUPATION.
• 03:11 LIKE MOST OF THE PRISONERS, ABBAS IS IN DENIAL OF WHAT HE'S DONE,
• 03:14 WHILE REVELING IN THE DEADLY AFTERMATH.
• 03:17 HE AND HIS ACCOMPLICES HAVE, IN FACT, BEEN SENTENCED TO 29 LIFE TERMS
• 03:22 FOR MASTERMINDING THE PASSOVER SUICIDE BOMBING AT THE PARK HOTEL
• 03:27 IN THE COASTAL CITY OF NETANYA IN 2002 AND THE SHARON SHOPPING MALL IN 2001.
• 03:39 WE ARE FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
• 03:41 WE CONSIDER OURSELVES AS THIS.
• 03:44 OUR ARABIC NATION CONSIDERS US AS THIS.
• 03:47 THERE IS NO DEBATE IF THE PALESTINIAN FACTIONS ARE LEADERS OR TERRORISTS.
• 03:53 ALL THE ARAB PEOPLE OR THE MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD SEE US AS,
• 04:00 THE MAJORITY OF THE MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD SEE US AS FREEDOM FIGHTERS
• 04:04 AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT COINCIDES WITH THE INTERNATIONAL LAW.
• 04:10 IT'S NOT A NEW THING TO OPPOSE OCCUPATION AND IT'S NOT ANY KIND OF OCCUPATION.
• 04:15 IT'S AN EXCEPTIONAL OCCUPATION.
• 04:17 IT TOOK A VERY LONG TIME.
• 04:19 IT TRANSFERRED OUR GRANDFATHER'S FROM THEIR HOMELAND
• 04:25 AND THE SITUATION IS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE EVERY YEAR AND THE YEAR AFTER.
• 04:32 SO THIS IS THE SITUATION.
• 04:33 WE ARE FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
• 04:35 AND THOSE WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE OPPOSING OR ARE STRUGGLING AGAINST OCCUPATION
• 04:44 USUALLY THEY ARE EDUCATED.
• 04:47 THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DID.
• 04:49 THEY FELT THAT IT IS A DUTY TO DO WHAT THEY DID.
• 04:52 WELL, THIS GUY IS A REAL KINGPIN AND YOU CAN SAY A LOT ABOUT HIM.
• 04:56 BUT YOU KNOW THE THING HE SAYS AND REPEATS IS, HE'S A "FREEDOM FIGHTER".
• 05:00 THIS TERMINOLOGY IS ALWAYS USED, "FREEDOM FIGHTER".
• 05:05 WE DON'T SEE ANY MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
• 05:07 IN THE PALESTINIAN AREAS ASKING FOR FREEDOM FOR ANYTHING, FOR ANY SORT.
• 05:10 WELL THAT'S RIGHT.
• 05:11 THERE'S NO MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
• 05:13 AND THE PALESTINIANS ARE PERFECTLY FREE.
• 05:15 IF THEY WOULDN'T CROSS A LINE AND GO KILL SOMEBODY IN A PASSOVER SERVICE,
• 05:19 I MEAN THE ISRAELIS WOULD, WOULD, THEY'D BE DECENT, GOOD TO THEM.
• 05:24 YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT, THE COUNTRIES THAT COOPERATED TO WHATEVER SMALL DEGREE,
• 05:29 JORDAN SAY, WITH ISRAEL, PROSPER.
• 05:32 OF COURSE THEY PROSPER, IT'S A GOING DEMOCRACY.
• 05:34 YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MEAN BY "FREEDOM FIGHTER".
• 05:37 BEING FREE IS BEING FREE FROM JEWISH PRESENCE IN THAT LAND.
• 05:41 THIS IS WHY IN GAZA, WHEN THE FIGHTING OVER GAZA,
• 05:45 THEY WANT THE JEWISH COMMUNITIES TO DISMANTLE THEIR COMMUNITIES AND MOVE OUT.
• 05:48 IN GAZA. >>IT'S IRONIC.
• 05:50 I MEAN, SUPPOSEDLY I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT WE REMOVE THE THUGS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
• 05:54 THIS WAY WE REMOVE THE COMMUNITY AND GIVE THE LAND TO THE THUGS.
• 05:59 THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. >>IT'S AMAZING.
• 06:01 AND WHEN YOU RESPOND TO IT, THEN IT'S A CYCLE OF VIOLENCE - THE CYCLE OF VIOLENCE.
• 06:05 YOU KNOW, ZOLA, THE MOST IMPORTANT CYCLE OF VIOLENCE
• 06:07 THAT AMERICA SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON IS THIS CYCLE OF VIOLENCE.
• 06:10 YASSER ARAFAT COMES BACK TO "PALESTINE".
• 06:14 HE PREACHES PEACE.
• 06:16 HE LIES TO THE WORLD.
• 06:17 HE STARTS TERRORISM.
• 06:19 AND THEN, GUESS WHAT?
• 06:21 HE GOES BACK TO THE SAME THING.
• 06:22 ABBAS COMES ALONG AND HE PREACHES SUPPOSEDLY PEACE AND BACK TO THE VIOLENCE.
• 06:26 IT'S THIS CYCLE OF VIOLENCE THAT THE WEST SHOULD ADDRESS.
• 06:30 I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU.
• 06:32 AND IT'S SO IRRATIONAL.
• 06:35 THE ISRAELIS, EVEN WHEN THEY LEFT GAZA,
• 06:37 GAVE THEM 14 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF GREENHOUSES ALREADY PLANTED.
• 06:41 THEY WRECKED THEM AND SO FORTH.
• 06:43 THE ISRAELIS BEAR THEM NO MALICE.
• 06:46 IN ALL THE TRIPS I'VE MADE TO ISRAEL
• 06:48 I NEVER MET AN ISRAELI THAT SAID I HATE THE PALESTINIANS.
• 06:51 LOOK, IT IS AN OCCUPATION.
• 06:53 THE OCCUPATION, THEY SHOULD LIBERATE THEMSELVES IS THAT FALSE NOTION
• 06:58 AND THE BAD HISTORY AND THE BAD RELIGION THAT THEY'VE BEEN EDUCATED ON.
• 07:01 INDEED THEY ARE OCCUPIED.
• 07:03 THEY ARE OCCUPIED WITH HATRED, PERIOD.
• 07:06 THAT'S WELL PUT.
• 07:08 WE'LL GO BACK TO THE PRISON AND HEAR SOME MORE FROM THIS TALKATIVE KINGPIN.
• 07:12 WE SAW THAT GAZA WAS LIBERATED.
• 07:15 BEFORE THAT WE SAW SOUTH LEBANON WAS LIBERATED BY RESISTING OCCUPATION.
• 07:20 AND WE HOPE THAT THE WEST BANK WILL BE LIBERATED PEACEFULLY, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
• 07:29 (KEN) SO, IF IT'S NOT, WHAT DO YOU DO?
• 07:31 IF NOT, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS, AMONG OF THEM, RESISTANCE.
• 07:37 SO RESISTANCE IS AN OPTION, WHICH IS ACCEPTED.
• 07:42 BUT BECAUSE WE ARE WEAK, THE WORLD NOW MAY SAY THAT IT IS NOT ACCEPTED, IT IS TERRORISM.
• 07:48 IT IS ACCEPTED RELIGIOUSLY.
• 07:50 IT IS ACCEPTED AND IT GOES WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW,
• 07:56 BUT IF THERE IS A VOICE NOW FIGHTING TERRORISM
• 08:00 WE SEE TERRORISM AND WE DO NOT AGREE WITH IT
• 08:04 AND WE OPPOSE WHAT'S GOING OUTSIDE THE WORLD IN ANY KIND OF ATTACKING CIVILIANS.
• 08:11 BUT WE ARE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN OCCUPATION AND ANY OTHER THING.
• 08:16 SO IN IRAQ THERE'S AN OCCUPATION.
• 08:17 THE RESISTANCE AGAINST OCCUPATION IS LEGITIMATE TO OUR KNOWLEDGE
• 08:24 AND HERE THERE IS OCCUPATION.
• 08:26 THE RESISTANCE IS LEGITIMATE.
• 08:28 IF OCCUPATION ENDS THERE WILL BE NO NEED FOR RESISTANCE.
• 08:33 (KEN) WHAT'S A TYPICAL DAY HERE IN THE PRISON LIKE FOR YOU?
• 08:36 HERE, ALL THE DAYS, YOU CAN SAY ALL THE DAYS ARE FRIDAYS OR ALL THE DAYS ARE SUNDAYS.
• 08:41 THEY ARE COPIES.
• 08:42 EVERY DAY IS A COPY OF THE PREVIOUS DAY.
• 08:45 SO ROUTINE IS NOT AN EASY THING INSIDE THE PRISON.
• 08:48 INSIDE THIS PRISON WE HAVE HERE IN THIS SPECIAL SECURITY PRISON 25 CELLS.
• 08:56 24 OF THEM WE HAVE 2 INMATES IN EACH.
• 08:59 THE OTHER ONE WE HAVE 6.
• 09:02 WE HAVE THIS COURT HERE, THIS SMALL COURT
• 09:06 IN WHICH WE CAN GO FOR ONE HOUR FOR PHYSICAL TRAINING FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS.
• 09:13 AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY ALSO TO COME HERE 2 TIMES AFTER THAT EACH ONE AND A HALF HOUR.
• 09:22 INSIDE THE PRISON WE ARRANGE OURSELVES TOGETHER AS PALESTINIAN SECURITY PRISONERS.
• 09:29 AND WE HAVE OUR FRIENDS HERE WORKING IN BETWEEN US AND THE ADMINISTRATION.
• 09:35 SO WE HAVE HERE, WE ACT HERE AS A COMMUNITY.
• 09:40 WELL, HE SAYS, RESISTANCE TO OCCUPATION IS LEGITIMATE AND THEY'RE A BUNCH OF RESISTORS.
• 09:45 THEY HAVE THEIR OWN COMMUNITY AND SO ON.
• 09:48 WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO ALL OF THAT?
• 09:50 I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE WAY HE'S LIVING RIGHT NOW.
• 09:53 HE'S HAVING FULL FREEDOM.
• 09:54 THEY ACT AS A COMMUNITY.
• 09:55 THEY STILL COMMUNICATE WITH HAMAS OUTSIDE OF THE PRISON.
• 09:57 IN FACT, THEY MAKE LEGISLATION, ZOLA, FROM THE PRISON ITSELF
• 10:00 AND THE ENTIRE PALESTINIAN COMMUNITY FROM THE RELIGIOUS HAKRIM ASABRI,
• 10:04 THE GRAND MUFTI OF JERUSALEM,
• 10:06 WHEN HE GOT TOGETHER WITH RANTISI AND ALL THESE RELIGIOUS LEADERS
• 10:09 TO DECIDE WHETHER THE PRISONERS AND THE INMATES, THESE TERRORISTS,
• 10:12 HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE VISITATION RIGHTS WITH THEIR WIVES.
• 10:15 WHY? SO THEY CAN HAVE CHILDREN, SO THEY CAN FIGHT THE OCCUPATION.
• 10:18 MORE TERRORISTS. >>YES.
• 10:21 AND THIS WAS ALLOWED?
• 10:23 THIS WAS OKAYED.
• 10:24 THE FATWA CAME AS OKAY.
• 10:26 IT'S OKAY TO EVEN, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT EVEN VISITING THEIR WIVES,
• 10:29 BY DOING SOME MEDICAL PROCEDURES TO GET THE, YOU KNOW.
• 10:32 REALLY? >>YES.
• 10:33 AND THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY PUTS UP WITH THAT?
• 10:36 THEY'RE ASKING THE RED CROSS TO FACILITATE THIS OPERATION.
• 10:40 LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.
• 10:42 THIS GUY IS A MASS MURDERER. HE GOES TO JAIL.
• 10:44 HE SAYS I WANT TO HAVE SOME SONS SO THAT MORE MASS MURDERS CAN HAPPEN OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS
• 10:48 AND THE RED CROSS SAYS, BY ALL MEANS, WE CAN WORK IT OUT.
• 10:51 THAT'S RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY.
• 10:52 IT'S THE SAME THING WITH SHEIK OMAR ABDEL-RAHMAN,
• 10:54 THE ONE WHO TRIED TO BLOW UP THE TWIN TOWERS...
• 10:56 THE GUY IN A WHEELCHAIR, YEAH.
• 10:57 ...THE FIRST TIME.
• 10:59 HE WAS MARRIED IN PRISON TO A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL.
• 11:02 SHE WAS MAKING VISITATIONS TO THE PRISON.
• 11:06 THE INMATES WOULD TAKE BLANKETS AND MAKE A LITTLE TENT
• 11:09 SO HE COULD CONSUMMATE HIS MARRIAGE WITH A KID.
• 11:11 I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THAT.
• 11:12 THIS IS THE KIND OF SOCIETY THAT THESE PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE.
• 11:15 I'M SHOCKED. I MEAN, I REALLY AM.
• 11:18 AMERICANS DON'T KNOW, REALLY, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
• 11:21 AND THE IDEA OF RESISTANCE TO OCCUPATION.
• 11:24 OKAY, THE WHOLE WORLD SAYS, OF COURSE, YOU RESIST IF YOU'RE OCCUPIED,
• 11:27 BUT MURDERING INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
• 11:29 THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU CALL RESISTANCE.
• 11:31 LOOK, ZOLA, 113,000 ARABS WERE SURVEYED.
• 11:34 73% SAYS THAT HAMAS SHOULD BE THE REPRESENTATION TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE.
• 11:40 HAMAS IS RESISTING WHAT?
• 11:42 THEY WANT TO TAKE THE WEST BANK.
• 11:43 IF YOU GIVE US THE WEST BANK THEN WE'LL BE FINE.
• 11:45 THEN WHAT?
• 11:46 THEN THEY'LL WANT TEL AVIV.
• 11:48 IF YOU GIVE US TEL AVIV, THEN YOU'LL BE FINE.
• 11:49 IT'S PIECE BY PIECE.
• 11:51 IT'S A PIECEMEAL KIND OF THING.
• 11:52 AS YOU KOWTOW TO THIS KIND OF SYSTEM, GUESS WHAT?
• 11:56 WE GIVE THEM GAZA, THIS IS THE CENTRAL HEADQUARTER OF HAMAS.
• 11:59 ONE OF THE SPEAKERS THAT ADDRESSES OUR GROUP, A WEST BANK SETTLER,
• 12:02 TAKES A PIECE OF PAPER IN THE SHAPE OF ISRAEL AND HE SAYS, PIECE BY PIECE, AS HE TALKS
• 12:08 AND EXPLAINS IT HE KEEPS TEARING AWAY PIECES TILL THERE'S NOTHING AND THAT'S THE PLAN I GUESS.
• 12:13 THAT'S RIGHT.
• 12:14 OKAY, WALID.
• 12:16 WE'LL BE BACK, RIGHT AFTER THIS.
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• 13:18 IF YOU HAD BUT ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE ISRAEL, WHAT WOULD THAT ONE WORD BE?
• 13:23 INCREDIBLE.
• 13:24 FULFILLMENT.
• 13:25 UNBELIEVABLE.
• 13:27 OH, WOW.
• 13:28 SHALOM.
• 13:30 FABULOUS.
• 13:31 SABABA, WHICH MEANS AWESOME.
• 13:35 LOVE, THE LOVE OF GOD.
• 13:39 PHENOMENAL, PHENOMENAL, PHENOMENAL.
• 13:50 WELL, THAT FOOTAGE OF ISRAEL'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE PRISON, I REALIZE.
• 13:54 AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WITH YOUR TOUR.
• 13:55 WE DON'T VISIT THE PRISON.
• 13:57 BUT WE'RE GOING TO VISIT IT AGAIN NOW.
• 13:59 LET ME RECAP WHERE WE'VE BEEN.
• 14:00 WE'RE WATCHING AN INTERVIEW OF A TERRORIST PRISONER
• 14:05 IN A HIGH SECURITY FACILITY IN BEER-SHEVA ISRAEL WHERE, OF COURSE, ABRAHAM LIVED.
• 14:10 TALK ABOUT AN OCCUPATION, THEY'RE ON ABRAHAM'S LAND, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
• 14:16 HE MADE A DEAL WITH THE PHILISTINES OF THE TIME ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE.
• 14:19 OUR COMMENTATOR IS WALID SHOEBAT.
• 14:22 HE'S BEEN WITH US BEFORE.
• 14:23 HE WAS ONCE A TERRORIST HIMSELF.
• 14:25 HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
• 14:27 HE KNOWS SOME OF THESE GUYS FROM THE NEWS AND SO ON, BUT HE LIVED WITH THEM ALL OF HIS LIFE.
• 14:32 HE WAS BORN AND RAISED OVER THERE.
• 14:34 SO NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO THE PRISONER THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING
• 14:38 KEN BERG, OUR PRODUCER, WAS INTERVIEWING, ABBAS AL SAYYED,
• 14:43 WHO IS ROUGH AND TOUGH AND HE MAY BE ON ONE OF THESE KINGPINS TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH,
• 14:48 INVOLVED WITH A LOT OF VERY SERIOUS STUFF.
• 14:51 SO, WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR LOCATION TAPE.
• 14:54 (KEN) TELL ME, IF YOU WOULD, WHAT FACTION OR MOVEMENT, I GUESS, THAT YOU'RE A MEMBER OF.
• 14:59 I'M A MEMBER OF HAMAS.
• 15:02 (KEN) AND HOW DID THAT COME TO BE?
• 15:05 (KEN) AT WHAT POINT IN YOUR LIFE DO YOU MAKE THAT DECISION OR IS FAMILY IS PART OF THAT?
• 15:11 (KEN) HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?
• 15:13 TO BE A HAMAS MEMBER?
• 15:14 (KEN) YES.
• 15:15 I AM HERE, A GUY UNDER OCCUPATION.
• 15:18 I GREW UP SEEING THE OCCUPATION.
• 15:21 I BECAME RELIGIOUS WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS OLD.
• 15:28 I THOUGHT OF LIFE AND OF THE WAY LIFE IS GOING ON.
• 15:33 I BELIEVED IN HELPING MY PEOPLE IN ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE.
• 15:36 DURING THAT TIME, BEFORE THE FIRST INTIFADA, THERE WERE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD MOVEMENT.
• 15:42 I PARTICIPATED IN IT, WHICH IS THE MOTHER OF HAMAS.
• 15:45 HAMAS IS THE STRONG ARM OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD MOVEMENT.
• 15:48 SO I BECAME A MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD MEMBER, AN ACTIVE MEMBER.
• 15:54 (KEN) WHAT I AM UNDERSTANDING,
• 15:56 (KEN) YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THIS CLARK HOTEL SITUATION 4 TO 5 YEARS AGO, IS THAT CORRECT?
• 16:03 (KEN) IN NETANYA - WERE YOU INVOLVED IN THAT?
• 16:06 I AM ACCUSED OF DOING THAT.
• 16:08 (KEN) ACCUSED OF IT, YEAH.
• 16:10 (KEN) WHAT ACCUSATIONS, WHAT ARE YOU BEING ACCUSED OF SPECIFICALLY THERE?
• 16:15 THAT'S THE WAY HERE AGAINST, WHEN YOU WORK AGAINST THE ISRAELIS, THAT'S THE WAY.
• 16:22 THEY ARREST PALESTINIAN PRISONERS AND THEY PREPARE THEM FOR TRIAL
• 16:26 AND THEY PRESENT WHAT THEY CLAIM EVIDENCE IS AGAINST THEM.
• 16:32 SO THAT'S WHAT, THE WAY IT WENT FOR ME.
• 16:36 I WAS ACCUSED OF BEING RESPONSIBLE OF THAT ATTACK.
• 16:39 (KEN) BUT YOU WEREN'T?
• 16:40 I HAVEN'T SAID THAT IT IS TRUE OR NOT.
• 16:44 I LEFT IT TO THE COURT TO DECIDE AND THE TRIAL IS GOING ON NOW IN TEL AVIV.
• 16:50 IT WAS NOT A FAIR TRIAL AT ALL AS I THOUGHT BEFORE.
• 16:53 BUT TILL NOW I AM GOING THROUGH THE RULES OF THE GAME
• 16:58 FACING THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST ME IN A JUDICIAL WAY.
• 17:04 SO, WE HAVEN'T REACHED THE END YET.
• 17:06 I THINK WE ARE STILL IN THE MIDDLE.
• 17:10 (KEN) I GUESS THAT IT'S A FACT THAT IT REALLY DID HAPPEN.
• 17:14 (KEN) OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY BLEW THEMSELVES UP.
• 17:17 I HAPPENED, YEAH, FOR SURE.
• 17:19 (KEN) THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY IN CHARGE, IS THAT CORRECT?
• 17:21 OKAY.
• 17:23 (KEN) BUT THERE'S STILL, IN YOUR MIND, YOU WEREN'T THE PERSON WHO DID IT,
• 17:28 (KEN) BUT THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN CHARGE.
• 17:31 I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF, EITHER IF I PARTICIPATED OR NOT IN IT.
• 17:35 I SAID THAT IT GO JUDICIALLY AND IF I HAVE A THING TO SAY I WILL SAY IT AFTER YEARS ABOUT IT.
• 17:43 BUT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT? WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT?
• 17:47 THAT'S A KIND OF OPERATION THAT OCCUPATION MAKES MY PEOPLE DO IT.
• 17:52 I KNOW EXACTLY ABOUT THE STORY, ABOUT THE GUYS
• 17:55 WHO ARE BEING ALLEGEDLY ACCUSED AS BEING ENGAGED IN IT.
• 18:01 I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL,
• 18:06 MOST CRITICAL TURNING POINTS IN THE CONFLICT BETWEEN US AND THE ISRAELIS.
• 18:11 AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IT DID NOT HARM OUR PEOPLE STRATEGICALLY.
• 18:20 WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT, HE SAYS.
• 18:23 35 PEOPLE BLOWN UP IN THEIR PRAYERS AND KILLED
• 18:26 AND I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED WOUNDED AND A HOTEL RUINED.
• 18:29 WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT?
• 18:31 YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HIS MIND AND HIS PERSPECTIVE.
• 18:33 WHEN I WAS, PRIOR TO 1993, BEFORE I WAS SAVED,
• 18:36 I WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME THING, WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT.
• 18:38 IT'S LIKE YOU CATCHING YOUR CHILD STOMPING A BUNCH OF ANTS
• 18:40 AND YOU SAY DON'T DO THAT SON AND HE LOOKS AT YOU AND HE SAYS,
• 18:43 WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT, BECAUSE THESE ARE ONLY ANTS.
• 18:45 THEY ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS, YOU SEE.
• 18:48 WHEN THE JEW BECOMES THE RAT, WHEN THE JEW BECOMES THE MONKEYS
• 18:51 THAT SUPPOSEDLY GOD PUNISHED THE SABBATH BREAKERS IN ACCORDANCE TO THE KORANIC VERSE
• 18:58 [ARABIC],
• 19:00 WE'VE CONVERTED THE JEWS, THE SABBATH BREAKERS
• 19:02 TO BECOME DETESTABLE MONKEYS, THEY'RE NOT HUMAN BEINGS.
• 19:05 YOU'RE NOT KILLING HUMAN BEINGS HERE.
• 19:06 YOU'RE KILLING ALLEGORICALLY MONKEYS AND PIGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
• 19:09 SO, WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT?
• 19:10 THAT'S THE WAY HE SEES IT FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE.
• 19:12 AND THIS IS A STUDENT WHO WAS ADMITTED TO GO TO ATLANTA UNIVERSITY
• 19:16 TO STUDY IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE USA DOES NOT UNDERSTAND
• 19:20 WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEIR PROCEDURE BRINGING THESE PEOPLE HERE TO BECOME STUDENTS.
• 19:24 EMORY UNIVERSITY SHOULD BE MIGHTY PROUD OF ITSELF ALL THESE DEATHS, ALL THIS BLOODSHED.
• 19:28 AND THEN WHEN YOU ASK HIM ARE YOU INNOCENT?
• 19:30 IMAGINE, YOU GO TO COURT AND THEY SAY, INNOCENT OR GUILTY?
• 19:34 THE JUDGE WILL SAY, WELL, YOU DECIDE.
• 19:36 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
• 19:37 OF COURSE YOU HAVE A PLEA. YOU SAY INNOCENT.
• 19:40 BUT HE SAYS THIS, I'M NOT SAYING INNOCENT OR GUILTY.
• 19:42 HE'S GUILTY AS HECK.
• 19:43 SURE LOOKS LIKE IT TO ME.
• 19:45 THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THIS GUY'S DONE, HE'S RATHER PROUD OF ALL THIS BLOODY WORK.
• 19:52 HE WAS ASKED, ZOLA, HE WAS ASKED FROM THE BEGINNING, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
• 19:55 HOW DID YOU JOIN HAMAS?
• 19:56 IT WAS NOTHING ABOUT OCCUPATION.
• 19:57 HE JUST KEPT GOING ON THAT I WAS 13.
• 19:59 I JOINED THE RELIGIOUS SYSTEM.
• 20:01 AND THEN I BECAME MORE RELIGIOUS AND MORE RELIGIOUS AND MORE RELIGIOUS.
• 20:05 AND THEN HE STARTED BOMBING BUSES.
• 20:07 AND THEN THEY BOMBED BUSES EVERYWHERE.
• 20:09 IN TURKEY THEY BOMBED BUSES.
• 20:11 THEY BOMBED BUSES...
• 20:13 ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE SUB-HUMANS, RIGHT?
• 20:16 LIKE HITLER SAID. >>EXACTLY.
• 20:18 THE JEWS ARE SUB-HUMAN, WELL, THESE PEOPLE ALSO MUST BE SUB-HUMAN
• 20:21 AND THIS KILLER IS A REAL HUMAN BEING.
• 20:24 AND WHEN THE JEWS RESIST AND FIGHT AND SHOOT TERRORISTS AND KILL THEM,
• 20:28 THE WORLD CRIES OUT THAT THE ISRAELIS ARE COMMITTING ATROCITIES,
• 20:30 EVEN THOUGH THE AMERICANS THEMSELVES, THIS KIND OF MENTALITY, ZOLA,
• 20:33 THIS KIND OF MENTALITY WAS DEALT WITH UNDER NAZISM.
• 20:36 FINALLY THEIR ALLIES STARTED SHOOTING HITLER YOUTH WHO WANTED TO DIE FOR HITLER.
• 20:41 THERE WAS NO SOLUTION. THEY STARTED SHOOTING THEM.
• 20:43 THEY SAID WE HAVE TO STOP THIS NAZISM ONCE AND FOR ALL.
• 20:46 AND ISRAELIS CAN'T SHOOT TEENAGERS IN THE STREETS.
• 20:50 THEY DON'T WANT TO SHOOT ANYBODY.
• 20:52 THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE.
• 20:54 AND THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE WASHINGTON POST AND CNN ALL THE TIMES, THE POOR PALESTINIANS.
• 21:03 WELL, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THESE POOR PALESTINIANS.
• 21:06 THEY JUST DON'T SEE IT. THEY JUST BECAME RELIGIOUS.
• 21:07 THAT'S ALL IT IS. THEY BECAME RELIGIOUS.
• 21:09 EVERY SINGLE TESTIMONY, I SPEAK TO EX-MUSLIMS, THEY BECAME RELIGIOUS.
• 21:13 WHETHER IT IS FATTAH, WHETHER IT IS HAMAS, THEY BECAME RELIGIOUS.
• 21:16 THEY WENT TO THE MOSQUE.
• 21:17 THEY GOT THE FOOD FROM THE MOSQUE.
• 21:19 THEY GOT THE RELIGIOUS EDUCATION THAT EVERYBODY WHO IS NOT MUSLIM
• 21:22 IS NOT IN THE SAME PAR, IS NOT EQUAL.
• 21:25 YOU CAN GET THE SAME TEACHING AT THE MOSQUE IN DEARBORN OR DETROIT OR NEW YORK.
• 21:29 ABSOLUTELY.
• 21:30 IT'S AMAZING THAT THEY CALL IT A RELIGION, BUT THEY DO.
• 21:35 (KEN) DO YOU IN ANY WAY SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SUICIDE BOMBERS
• 21:40 (KEN) WHO ACCOMPLISH THEIR MISSIONS AND THE ISRAELIS
• 21:42 (KEN) WHO REACT TO TERRORISM IN THEIR OWN WAY WITH WHAT YOU PERCEIVE AS TERRORISM?
• 21:50 (KEN) DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO?
• 21:52 WELL, SURE, THERE IS A GREAT DIFFERENCE TO WHAT I SEE.
• 21:55 WHAT I SEE THAT OUR FIGHTING OCCUPATION IS LEGITIMATE, OCCUPATION IS ILLEGAL.
• 22:01 THAT'S WHAT I SEE, SO ANYTHING HAPPENS AFTER THAT, IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OCCUPATION.
• 22:10 IF A MARTYR WANTS TO EXPLODE HIMSELF, IT IS BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE ANY OTHER WAY TO DO IT
• 22:16 AND HE'S WEAK AND HE DID NOT HAVE A TECHNOLOGICAL WEAPONS,
• 22:21 HE CANNOT GIVE HIS MESSAGE EITHER TO THE WORLD OR TO THE OCCUPATION.
• 22:25 HE WAS FORCED TO DO THIS.
• 22:27 BUT, THE OCCUPATION IS BEING FOUGHT BECAUSE IT'S AN OCCUPATION.
• 22:31 IF OCCUPATION ENDS, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ISRAELI,
• 22:33 WITH JEWS AT ALL OR WITH THE CHRISTIANS AT ALL.
• 22:35 OUR PROBLEM IS JUST WITH OCCUPATION.
• 22:37 SO, I DO SEE THAT THERE IS A GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIGHTER,
• 22:42 THE FREEDOM FIGHTER AND THE OCCUPIER.
• 22:44 THERE IS NO COMPARISON AT ALL.
• 22:47 (KEN) THEY WOULD SAY, ALL THAT THEY'RE DOING IS REACTING TO VIOLENCE INSIDE OF PALESTINE.
• 22:53 WHY IS OCCUPATION? WHY IS OCCUPATION?
• 22:55 OCCUPATION HERE IS SINCE IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 1967 BORDERS,
• 23:01 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN ABOUT 40 YEARS.
• 23:04 WHY IS OCCUPATION?
• 23:05 LET OCCUPATION END AND YOU WILL SEE STABILITY IN THE REGION.
• 23:11 NOW, BEFORE THEY LEFT GAZA, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFRONTATION INSIDE GAZA.
• 23:17 WHEN THEY LEFT GAZA, WE SEE NOW STABILITY IN GAZA.
• 23:21 IF THEY LEAVE THE WEST BANK, I AM SURE THAT THERE WILL BE STABILITY IN THE REGION.
• 23:25 OUR CAUSE IS FIGHTING OCCUPATION.
• 23:28 OCCUPATION ENDS, RESISTANCE STOPS.
• 23:32 WELL, FIRST, HE OFFERS GAZA AS AN EXAMPLE OF STABILITY,
• 23:36 WHERE THE PARADES OF THESE MASKED MEN WITH THESE HUGE GUNS
• 23:40 THAT ARE BLOWING UP BOMBS AND THROWING ROCKETS ON ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS AND SO ON.
• 23:45 IF THAT'S WHAT THE WEST BANK WOULD TURN INTO, HOW COULD ANYBODY BUY THAT, NUMBER ONE.
• 23:51 AND THEN THIS DRUM BEAT OF OCCUPATION, OCCUPATION ILLEGAL HE SAYS.
• 23:54 SHOPLIFTING IS ILLEGAL, BUT YOU DON'T MURDER DOZENS OF PEOPLE,
• 24:00 EVEN GRANTING IT'S AN OCCUPATION.
• 24:03 YOU KNOW, ZOLA, WHEN I GO SPEAK AT SYNAGOGUES,
• 24:04 MANY JEWISH FROM THE JEWISH COMMUNITIES SAYS TO ME,
• 24:07 WE LIKE QOREI, WE LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE REALLY MEANS PEACE
• 24:11 AND WHAT DOES QOREI SAY AS SOON AS THEY GIVE HIM BACK GAZA,
• 24:15 TODAY GAZA, TOMORROW, JERUSALEM.
• 24:17 YES, OF COURSE, THE PRIME MINISTER.
• 24:19 WE ARE GIVING THE CONFIDENCE THAT THEY NEEDS, ISLAMISTS NEED BY GIVING GAZA.
• 24:23 GAZA IS CRUCIAL BECAUSE IT'S A CENTRAL CAPITAL OF HAMAS.
• 24:26 GAZA, YES.
• 24:28 THE MUSLIM'S ARGUMENT, THIS IS WHAT AMERICANS SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
• 24:30 THIS IS THE MUSLIM ARGUMENT, ALWAYS BEEN, (ARABIC)
• 24:35 THE ONLY WAY TO BRING PALESTINE BACK TO MUSLIMS IS ONLY VIA GOING BACK TO ISLAM,
• 24:41 GOING BACK TO ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM,
• 24:43 THAT'S WHY THE MAJORITY OF ARABS SUPPORT HAMAS AND NOT THE PA.
• 24:48 YOU WERE MAKING A POINT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JORDAN, THERE'S NO OCCUPATION THERE
• 24:53 AND YET...
• 24:54 AND JORDAN IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE.
• 24:56 HERE IN JORDAN THERE IS NO OCCUPATION AND 61% OF JORDANIANS, ZOLA, 61%,
• 25:03 THAT'S A VERY HIGH NUMBER IN A SURVEY SUPPORTED OSAMA BIN LADEN.
• 25:09 THE OTHER 39% ARE BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT.
• 25:12 OH, YEAH, OK.
• 25:14 AND WHEN YOU SEE THE NEWS, I WAS WATCHING THE NEWS AFTER THE BOMBINGS IN JORDAN,
• 25:18 SOME JORDANIAN LEADER CAME ON TV, SHE SAYS,
• 25:21 AFTER WHAT ZARQAWI DID OF BOMBING US JORDANIANS, WE DON'T SUPPORT HIM ANYMORE.
• 25:26 EXCUSE ME.
• 25:28 YOU SUPPORTED HIM BEFORE AS LONG AS HE'S KILLING NON-MUSLIMS, THAT'S THE POINT.
• 25:33 BACK WHERE WE STARTED.
• 25:41 THAT'S RIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, ZOLA, THERE'S A DAY OF THE LORD COMING
• 25:44 AND ON THAT DAY OF THE LORD, I CAN SEE FROM JOEL, THE DAY OF THE LORD IS COMING
• 25:48 AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THEIR RESURRECTED BODIES,
• 25:51 THAT'S THE BELIEVERS COMING TO FIGHT IN THIS BATTLE AND THEN IT SAYS,
• 26:05 THE LORD WILL COME AND SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS AND WE WILL BE WITH HIM.
• 26:09 SHA'ALU SHALOM YERUSHALAYIM PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM.